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| Jack Gregg (Jackinkc)
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I need to remove both dual tires on the back of my 84 Prevost so I can make repairs to the airbrake lines. I have previously removed the outside dual with a ½” impact wrench – it was a stretch. I have a ¾ bud socket. I might as well buy the proper tools to carry on the bus in case I need them. I don’t need the best, just stuff that will get the job done for occasional maintenance or emergency use. There is a lot of talk about torque multipliers in the archives but I can buy a large capacity torque wrench for less than a multiplier and a ½” impact wrench. Sooo, I am thinking about the following: 1 inch impact for $129 Torque stick for $75 Any comments, suggestions, or criticisms? Thanks, Jack | ||
| John MC9 Rating: N/A |
12-14 cfm at 115psi? Whew! You gonna' haul the compressor on a trailer behind the bus? | ||
| Jack Gregg (Jackinkc)
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I was planning on using bus air on the road. It takes about two seconds to knock each nut loose at high pressure then about two more seconds each to spin them off. I was thinking about 3-4 “pump ups” to get each wheel off. Do you think that is feasible? The one-inch CP is darn cheap at $129. Jack | ||
| Marc Bourget Rating: N/A |
Jack I don't think you'll get anywhere near the rated torque unless the fittings from the tank all the way to the gun will flow enough air. Look like it specs for a 1/2" line. Do brake tanks even have a 1/2" outlet? This is giving me sufficient pause to adapt a tank off of a burnt up compressor to use as a reservoir. I could open a valve and let it charge up to 120 and close it off. The outlet might be sufficient for driving a impact this size. Myself, I went with a high dollar Snap-on with 1100 #ft of Torque. I'm sure to be hugely disappointed when some covetous SOB "takes it for a walk" but it seemed like a good idea at the time. I don't think it will give me a hernia pulling it out of the bay. | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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bus air won't do it....I have 5 air tanks on my bus & you can't even get a fart outa one of those big guns | ||
| R. Steve Nichol (N4rsn)
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Hello Jack I use my Ingersoll Rand 1/2" model 231 impact to remove the lug nuts, and to reinstall them. It will put out around 450 ft. lbs of torque, at about 150 lbs of preasure, on a 3/8ths line. It is eash to store, and is used often, on other things. After they are reinstalled, than you can retorque as per specs. you desire. I have found you don't have to do a lot of retorqeing to bring them up to specs. Just a thought. Steve | ||
| Jack Gregg (Jackinkc)
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Good points. Thanks for the input. Snapon is the only ¾ drive impact wrench I can find that does not recommend a ½ inch hose. The ½ inch drives typically have a 100-400 ft lb working range and a max of about 600 ft lbs. This should be enough but I am worried that it might take more to bust some of them loose. Guess I should plan on spending a little more money. What a surprise. Thanks again. Jack | ||
| Gary Stadler (Boogiethecat)
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Proof of point, I bought a 1" impact and tried to use it with a smallish compressor and a short airhose that was 3/8". I couldn't get it to work and it seemed like it was a bad tool. I called a tire service and the guy came out with his monster compresor, 100 gallon tank and a 5/8" hose, and my gun worked fine on his rig. So it was all about the airhose and compressor/tank size. From there I got a 100 gallon tank, a 1/2" hose, and pressurized it with my small compressor... it worked but not for long, and took forever to build up pressure enough to get each lug nut off. Bottom line, with a 50 or 100 gallon tank and the right diameter hose, bus air might work well enough to get you out of a fix in the boonies, but it will take forever. Less that that size of a tank, I doubt it would work from my experience.... | ||
| Ross Carlisle (Rrc62)
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I use an IR model 261 3/4" drive on a 1/4" hose that is 100' long. When I bought the gun I also bought 100' of 1/2" hose because I KNEW the 1/4" hose wouldn't work. Just for the hell of it I tried the 1/4" hose and it worked fine. Been using it like that all summer. One of these days I'll hook up the big hose. Get a good quality gun. Those cheap chinese 1" guns are boat anchors. The cheap guns might generate the torque, but it takes twice the CFM as a good quality gun. I have a cheap 1" gun. It will barely run on my 1/4" air hose, yet my IR261 on the same hose zips the bus lugs right off. Ross | ||
| Ross Carlisle (Rrc62)
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FYI...The IR261 goes up to 1200 ft lb. My cost as a dealer is $329.95. I sell them for anywhere between $399 and $499 depending on my current mood.  Not trying to sell you a gun, BTW, just arming you with some price data so you don't get ripped off. Something comparable from Snap-On is close to $700, I think. Ross | ||
| Ross Carlisle (Rrc62)
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Another FYI...IR is giving away a free set of 3/4" impact sockets with every 261 right now. The part number on the gun with the free sockets is 261S. If you buy one ask what the exact part number is. If they say 261S, ask them where the free sockets are. These are NICE sockets, not junk. Sometimes my distributor will offer special deals independently of the manufacturer, but I think this deal is something IR is doing so it should be available nationwide. Ross | ||
| John MC9 Rating: N/A |
Ratchets and Mouschits are here! Has anyone had good results with a heavy duty electric impact? | ||
| Ross Carlisle (Rrc62)
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Just went through this with a customer. None of my distributors was aware of anything electric that went much over 200lb or so. One of them said that they used to stock a 3/4" drive electric that went to 350lb, but it was over $1000...and still not enough for bus lugs. Ross | ||
| John MC9 Rating: N/A |
Ross- Oh, they do sell 'em! http://www.mytoolstore.com/compare/cpimpac1.html I figured if I had to buy a decent impact gun ($$) and big compre$$or to run it, I might be better off getting something like that Makita 6910 and a couple torque sticks. | ||
| David Hartley (Drdave)
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I have a 1" IR Impact and use a 3/4 inch short hose to a 9 gallon portable tank. The tank is fed from a 3/8" line @ 120 psi. Knocks off 3 lugs per charge up. I have even used it with a 4 gallon pancake compressor to charge the tank and it still worked. Volume to the GUN is the answer, not necessarily the size of the compressor. | ||
| David (Davidinwilmnc)
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I've heard/read that the Ingersoll Rand model 2135TI (also 1/2") is a good one. Has anyone had any experience with these? I've seen them for less than $200. | ||
| Don/TX
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I share your experiences David. I happened to have an IR 1 inch and 50 foot of 3/4 hose, hooked to the air tank on the bus. The long large hose served as a tank actually, would easily break loose one nut and then refill the hose for the next nut about as quick as you could put the wrench on the next nut.. I carried it on the bus, but never had to use it on the road. | ||
| Marc Bourget Rating: N/A |
Don/TX With luck like that, I wouldn't tempt fate to wash my car fearing it would rain! Hope my luck holds out as well as yours! | ||
| jimmci9 #2 Rating: N/A |
don ks/tx is right on... ive got both a 1" ingersol and a 261 (3/4) ingersol... both work well on the bus air (at 120 psi)... and a 1/2" hose... i use a 5 gallon tank at the end of a 50' hose.... for volume....and a 10' hose past it to whichever impact i happen to grab....normally i can bust 2-3 wheel nuts loose before i run low on air.... and it only takes a minute or so to build it back up... | ||
| John MC9 Rating: N/A |
If you're working on the bus engine and don't have the bus air, what size compressor would be best suited to use that impact wrench? I bought and returned a $200 double tank compressor to HF, because it wouldn't power 3/4 of my air tools. (which is why I was asking about the electric ones) | ||
| JR
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The air tools are cool, but I carry a 6/1 torque multiplier in the coach. I can pull a wheel with it in 10 minutes. All you have to do is break'em. Then the lugs can be hand screwed off. I did the 1" thing...with the hope if carrying it on the bus. As has already been stated, unless you have a reserve tank for air supply (air starter tank would work), and the engine is running, you just don't have enough air for use of a large wrench. I wanted something foolproof, and the multiplier is that. My biggest problem is jacking up the coach on anything but concrete. I bought a slab of 1/2 steel plate to put under the jack...never have used it. The 1" impact sure is nice in the shop. I believe a good 3/4" impact would have been a better choice. 1" is a heavy tool. Have to use it on the sand blaster line. Road service is a better idea yet! Good Luck, JR | ||
| Jim Bob Rating: N/A |
I carry a Harbor Freight 1" gun which I run on 1/2" x 50' hose running off the bus front brake tank (small). I can take off 3 nuts, then wait about 1-1 1/2 minutes for it to recharge with the bus running. A big part of this is that the wheels have all been off at home & reinstalled & properly torqued. The fitting on the brake tank for the drain valve is 1/2". (GM 4104) | ||
| Donald19952 Rating: N/A |
Just a contribution... For STUD piloted rims ONLY 3/4-16 THREAD:450 - 500 FT. LBS 1 1/8-16 THREAD: 450 - 500 FT. LBS 1 5/16-12 THREAD: 750-900 FT. LBS | ||
| Ross Carlisle (Rrc62)
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"Oh, they do sell 'em! http://www.mytoolstore.com/compare/cpimpac1.html " You won't see the torque that they advertise. I don't sell them anymore becasue I got tires of customers bringing them back. I have a Makita in the back room that is advertised 300 ft lbs. It's good for about 175. We checked it with a torque wrench after it was returned. My distributors stopped selling them because of all the problems. From the eb page tyou posted, the only one that would be suitable for bus lugs is the 1" Makita for $726. For that you can buy a real nice air impact that will last forever. Ross | ||
| John MC9 Rating: N/A |
Ross - It was that $725 Makita that caught my eye. I couldn't find a small enough compressor with large enough capacity to run an air wrench that big (or any air grinder, drill or sander). So, considering the money for the compressor and air impact wrench, and the room needed for all the air accessories, it seems easier to just invest in an electric impact wrench. My small compressor can air up the bus, etc, and most of my air tools are duplicated with electric ones, anyway. Just another path to take.... If the damned thing actually works? | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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best "poor boy" idea I've heard is a 3/4 breakover & a hydrolic jack | ||
| John Jewett (Jayjay)
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TD and jMC9- My 4905 compressor is 12.5 CFM at 125 PSI, and runs my 1" CP (Harbor Freight) $129.95 gun quite well off of the 1/2 inch fitting on my primary air tank 1/2 inch hose to feed it. Works great! Jack, it's unconditionally guaranteed, so if you have problems they will refund/replace it. I used mine recently to remove a crankshaft nut on a 4 cylinder car that my 1/2 inch IR wouldn't break. Cheers...JJ | ||
| Ross Carlisle (Rrc62)
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My IR261 impact runs on a small twin tank compressor. It will also run on bus air. You have to let it build up after each lug, but it gets them off fine. Gets back to my comment about the cheap impact guns and how they need twice the air to run. My twin tank is a Campbell Hausfeld (not the Walmart variety). It runs any air tool I have. I even painted a truck with it. My HVLP gun draws 6.5 CFM and the compressor put out 7.2. It ran constantly during the paint job, but it kept up. I've been buying tools as a dealer and consumer for years. You get what you pay for. A cheap HF chinese gun...or compressor... is not going to perform like a good quality IR. If you want good tools, you gotta spend a little money. Ross PS...Incase y'all are wondering, CH DOES make a cheap line of tools just for Walmart. They look almost identical to the quality line that caries a higher price tag. They also make the Husky line for HD and the Iron Force line for Lowes. Both are a low end versions of thier quality lines. Husky and Iron Force are easy to spot, but even still, if I don't specify "No Walmart, HD or Lowes junk" when I order CH factory recon, they will try to slip some into the order. | ||
| Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
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Hello. To re-emphasize the most important thing in this thread: Wheels that are regularly removed for inspection, and re-assembled properly rarely have wheel fasteners that won't easily remove. Regularly would be once a year. Clean the threads, clean the mating surfaces of the rims, anti-seize everywhere EXCEPT on the threads, (lube on the threads messes up the torque) proper torque, and next time, your 12 year old will be able to break most of them with a bar on the lug wrench. You'll easily break the rest, and have the 12 year old complete the removal. Even if you regularly break each fastener and retorque it, that's half way there. You still have to worry about the wheels seizing hard to one another and the brake drum. Full removal is good preventive maintenance, and you get a close look at your brakes. happy coaching! buswarrior | ||
| John MC9 Rating: N/A |
BW - The parents of the damned 12 year old kid called the authorities on me. I'm facing child labor law violations. Nice going. Last time I listen to you....*&^%$. | ||
| Marc Bourget Rating: N/A |
Not Buswarrior's fault. He didn't recommend you pay the brat. You stepped in it yourself! (LOL!!) Also, since you lacked the skill and cunning to "persuade" the brat to do the work, you deserve what'cha get (not) | ||
| Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
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Giggle.... Better the labor laws and not the interference ones..... Emphasis should have been on "YOUR" 12 year old. Just another family chore: wash dishes, clean room, re and re bus wheels.... My young fellow was 10 when he did his first bus wheel. Older sisters had already done car wheels, he had to do something to catch up! happy coaching! buswarrior |