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Pat Bartlett (Muddog16)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 16, 2006 - 10:08 am: | |
I'm always getting ahead of myself, but I keep thinking lately about what color to paint the bus! I saw a H3 a couple of weeks ago, I think it belonged to the Oak Ridge Boys, it was all black with stainless bottom. I've seen some black paint jobs that were really glossy, and evidently they used a lot of clear coat on it! This H3 was very deep appearing, but it wasn't a real bright and shinning black. Doe's anyone have any input on this, I know there is a difference, but I'm not sure what it is?......
Pat
http://prevostlemirage.blogspot.com/ |
Ray D
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 16, 2006 - 11:18 am: | |
Just a guess, but it was probably color sanded and buffed out, doing away with the orange peel.
Ray D |
Ron Walker (Prevost82)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 16, 2006 - 12:17 pm: | |
Pat keep in mind that a lot of black paint will heat up your bus. Thats why I kept it to a minimum (see profile)I used a two part epoxy paint..way cheeper and more durable...and a good gloss to it.
Just another day in Paradise Ron |
Ed Jewett (Kristinsgrandpa)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 16, 2006 - 12:18 pm: | |
Pat, I talked to Jeff Patten, who does all my body work, before starting on my coach. He says that enamel can be just as shiny and look as good as clearcoat, so that is what I use. I think it is polyurethane base.
Overspray and rough spots can be sanded with progressively finer grit and polished to a great shine.
Jeff is one of the best in the area. I was all set to use clearcoat, because I'd been using it for a couple of years, till I talked to him.
I think clearcoat is more forgiving as a small scuff or scratch can be buffed out.
If you are going to hire it done, use what ever he suggests.
Greg Dalton (Keith's boy) says he has a friend in South Webster, that can get a bus in his shop.
Greg and I discussed this when we were doing the security system on the Greenup Dam last year.
Ed
P.S. I'd call but no one ever answers the phone.
You're probably busy on the Prevost and Whats-Her-Name is watching Soaps. |
Pat Bartlett (Muddog16)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 16, 2006 - 8:39 pm: | |
Thanks I appreciate the input, I ended up sending Dupont an email, asking them basically the same question. They emailed me back.....like right now......! They even called me. We had a good discussion about paint. I was impressed with the call. The rep from Dupont said that they probably used a very small metal flake mist in the paint job, then clear coated it!
Ron, I know that black will draw more heat than I want, hopefully the two basement airs and driver air will handle that. Those basement airs have twin compressors. Plus I thought about painting the top where you can't see it from the ground a good reflective neutral color. How is Mexico treating you, I hope you are having a ball!
Ed, My mom has been keeping me busy, for the last couple of months she is 83, and being the rotten son I talked her into giving up her car and driving priviledges. Mom is in early stage Alzheimers, so that is taking up a great deal of my time.
Rich thanks for the great input as always! I'm going to talk to the local Dupont rep and see if we can get the correct receipe for this paint that I'm talking about! The bus that I saw either belonged to the Oak Ridge Boys or was chartered by them, they were here at the local college giving a preformance, I only drove by 10 times looking, it was fantastic looking! Someone even told me they could sing too!........Just kidding!............Thanks again! |
Pat Bartlett (Muddog16)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 16, 2006 - 8:47 pm: | |
Ray I'm sorry I didn't forget you, I'm not sure what color sanding does to the color. Can you explain that?........Thanks Pat |
John Jewett (Jayjay)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 16, 2006 - 9:52 pm: | |
For all you guys talking about sanding and polishing, I'm here to tell you that if you mask thoroughly and paint properly, with a high quality paint and gun, you don't need to do that. It certainly is not easier and faster to sand and polish mistakes, than it is to do it correctly to begin with. You pay good money for all that expensive paint, then sand and polish half of it back off trying to get a good finish-which you won't. If you use the proper amount of the correct reducer you will not have orange peel. Orange peel is the end result of poor technique and the wrong reducer. The up side of proper application is that you don't have to waste even more of your precious time making excuses to all and sundry for a sloppy paint job. It isn't hard guys, if I can do it, anybody can!
Now, where did I put the fireproof suit? ...JJ |
Ray D
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 16, 2006 - 9:53 pm: | |
Color sanding is using 1000 grit to 3000 grit to make the paint flat (take out the orange peel) and then buff to a mirror shine. It is not that difficult, the only danger is sanding through on edges and curves, I tape all edges. Check out the site below, got to "articles" and the 2nd and 3rd article are on color sanding.
http://www.paintucation.com/ |
Pat Bartlett (Muddog16)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 16, 2006 - 9:56 pm: | |
Thanks again Ray, great link!
Pat |
Ray D
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 16, 2006 - 11:14 pm: | |
John,
Yes bad orange peel is poor technique, but eliminating orange peel completly is nearly impossible and most of us here are back yard painters, but your'e right a good painter can get close. Hence we learn how to colorsand and buff and buffing can make a poor painter look goooood! Even the show car pro painters (everyone of them that I have seen) color sand and buff for that ultimate gloss. Just make sure you have pleanty of paint for this sanding. If I go for color sanding, I put extra coats on.
Ray D |
Chuck Newman (Chuck_newman)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 11:21 pm: | |
Ron,
"I used a two part epoxy paint..way cheeper and more durable...and a good gloss to it."
What brand did you use?
Would you use it again, or look at other epoxy paints?
How long has it been on and how is it holding up?
And everyone, does anyone have any experience with POR 15 glossy black and white epoxy paints?
Thanks,
Chuck Newman
Oroville, CA |
Richard Bowyer (Drivingmisslazy)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 9:50 am: | |
I have been told by some of the country's best painters, that paint show cars, that it is impossible to totally eliminate orange peel or slight unevenness in the paint. They all color sand and buff for the ultimate appearance.
BTY, color sanding on any epoxy paint is really tough work. It is very time consuming as the paint is so tough. Most of the car buffs use lacquer for that reason. Many coats and many sandings.
Richard |
Ron Walker (Prevost82)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 11:29 am: | |
Hi Chuck...I use Cloverdale Paints 2 part Epoxy. I think you can only get it in Canada. It cost me around $500 for the paint, to do the bus. It to has excellet gloss too. I've had it on for a year..and is holding up very good.
Fun in the Sun in Mexico
Ron |
Ray D
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 1:30 pm: | |
I used Nason Urethane with hardner and you would want to treat the epoxy same as I treated mine. Color sand 24 hrs after spraying, wait another 24 hrs then buff. If you are using a solid color (like no metal flake) you can generally paint in sections so you do not have so much to do at once. Waiting one day after colorsanding lets the paint rest, gets a little harder and it will actually flow a little more. Getting this work done before it gets completly cured makes the job easier. |
Pat Bartlett (Muddog16)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 6:20 pm: | |
I visited my Dupont dealer today, and I believe we came up with the correct paint its a Dupont Croma 1 series paint, they call it Brilliant Black, it has course alum, and white pearl in it that gives it almost a gold appearing mist deep in the black, Dupont makes three different clear coats, I'm talking to the Dupont guy again tomorrow to try and understand what the differences are between the three, and maybe with the Croma 1 series you may not need the clear coat, I'm still not sure on this, but at least I'm getting closer. 5 gallons are not going to be cheap! |
Pat Bartlett (Muddog16)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 29, 2006 - 5:06 am: | |
A little follow up here. I had a panel that covers two windows that I used for a template for the new ones. This panel is 84 inches by 60 inches, I took it to a painter, with a quart of the new paint and asked him to paint the complete panel then color sand one half and clear coat it, and just clear coat the other half. When it comes back I'll take some pictures and post them on my conversion site, I am anxious to see what the difference is!......
Pat |