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walterwade
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 10:24 pm: | |
89 35 foot 1400/1500 series L10 cummin voith transmission 5:13 gear rearend. 90 40 foot L10 1700/1800 series zf tranmission 4 speed with retarder 5:13 gear. 92 35 foot 1400/1500 series 6v92II or IV 730 tranmission 5:13 rear. good conversion or best for parts only. just curious because have not seen or heard of anyone doing either. |
Phil Dumpster2
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 4:45 am: | |
New Flyer coaches of that era had serious quality and materials issues. Most Canadian operators of these coaches retired them rather than spend resources giving them a mid life overhaul.
Of the three you mention, the 92 35 foot coach would be the best choice provided it doesn't have much rust. |
walterwade
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 9:08 am: | |
they are not rusty but why the 92 is it the engine and tranmission ??? they all have never been exposed to salty roads. I have some freinds who thought they would make good band bus for the money if they could buy one right!!!!???? then again what would be a good or fair price???? |
Phil Dumpster2
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 1:15 pm: | |
Transmission and age are the selling points. L10 is a good engine, but Voith is complicated and ZF is unsupported in this country. V730 of any flavor is far more preferable to those two. |
walterwade
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 24, 2006 - 9:11 am: | |
up date found out that 6v92DDEIIorIV with VR731 is this better or worse???. also are they T or V drive. again thanks for replies both on the board and email |
Phil Dumpster2
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 4:19 am: | |
Be careful with the R in the transmission designation. If the R is before the 731, the transmission has a hydraulic retarder, which is good because it will save you brake shoes in the long run. If the R is after the 731, it denotes a transmission set up for a right hand rotating engine, which would be good if you planned change over to a 4 cycle engine in the future.
These are V drive coaches which have their pros and cons. Some will say it isn't as efficient as a T drive, but it makes working on the engine easier.
The 6V92DDEC/VR731 is a computer controlled powertrain. Some people like them, others don't. A power increase (up to what DD Corporate authorizes) can be had from most DD service centers just by changing the program in the computer. They get better fuel economy than their older mechanical counterparts. They also have cruise control built in, you just have to run the wires and install some switches. |
RJ Long (Rjlong)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 11:09 am: | |
Phil -
Close, but you got it backward.
A VR-731 is for RH engines, w/ a reversing gear in the bell-housing.
A V-731R is a retarder model - very, very, very rare.
HTH,
RJ
PD4106-2784 (V-drive)
Fresno CA |
Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 10:45 pm: | |
Hello walterwade.
These Flyers rotted from the inside out. The hollow tubing had no corrosion protection. Engine doors fell off in the mechanic's hands when they were 6 years old. The hinge pulled right out of the structural tubing the air conditioning unit sits on! Won't matter where they were run, they were rusting internally from the factory.
The ZF transmissions failed in transit service here in Toronto. V730 retrofit solved that, but then we lost the retarder from the ZF and brake wear was horrible. I always suspected that for the weight, those buses were not equipped with large enough brakes.
L10 motors have screw popping, teeth rattling vibration at idle, have difficulty passing emisions tests, and in some circles are considered throw away motors. The bus ones are worthless in the aftermarket, and vice versa as they won't bolt into trucks without parts changes. My buddy at the scrapyard found out the hard way, 50 engines with no place to go.
5.13 gears will limit highway speed, return less fuel economy than another ratio, but make a GREAT hill climber, or highway onramp dragster.
I was/am not a fan of Flyer's attempts at bus building during that time frame.
happy coaching!
buswarrior |
walterwade
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 23, 2006 - 8:41 pm: | |
update friends bought one they had 731E with retarter even with 513 gear still runs 65 so they said for price they would try. P.S. the engine was left turn .again thanks for all emails and information |