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Kevin Hatch

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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 11:40 pm:   

I just saw this little guy on ebay and wonder if it would work as a monitor for a rear view camera. I noticed the description says it will invert the x and y axis. Isn't that the main issue with a camera/monitor setup? Where can I find a inexpensive camera as well. I saw one in the Harbor Freight ad yesterday. Said it was a security camera that was weather proof and automaticly changed from day to night vision. I know a lot of folks say that HF sells crap, but I've had some real good luck with most of their stuff. Any suggestions? I know I'll be pulling a trailer at some point, plus it'd be nice to see to back up!
james dean boggs (Jd_boggs)

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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 11:44 pm:   

What little guy did you see on ebay? Have item number?
Kevin Hatch

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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 11:46 pm:   

Sorry forgot the link!

http://cgi.ebay.ca/TFT-7-LCD-Color-TV-Monitor-whole-package-U46_W0QQitemZ9707934357QQcateg oryZ61398QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

WOWZERS!! I just saw the shipping cost!!!
JW Smythe (Jwsmythe)

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Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 12:24 am:   

I've been checking them out. Some look good, some are crap. I've been looking at the cameras, but haven't decided what to consider.

If I remember right, the ones that looked good were a 6" color screen and small camera, for $100.

A *LOT* of them are charging outragous shipping, to make sure they're covering their cost. Whatever is won on the auction is extra profit. It's a good plan, but not good for us that may be buying.

At Home Depot the other day, I saw they had a color security camera, with UV emitters, so it would switch to B&W at night and be able to see with the UV. You may want to put extra UV LED's out, so you can see farther. I planned on several cells of UV LED's, and a front facing camera so I could see better in the dark.

A lot of the stuff on eBay you'll find is crap. I think I'll end up buying from a local vendor, so if it doesn't perform well, I can return it. Good luck returning something to Hong Kong.

Check with your local car audio installer. They're putting in a lot of small LCD monitors in cars. They can give advice, and probably sell you something of better quality for a better price. Really, you could probably go to WalMart or Best Buy and get a small LCD tv that may work on 12vdc, or stick a small power inverter behind it to work at 110vac. I'm planning for 3 or 4 screens in the front for rear view cameras. I'll probably do left, right, and center rear view, and maybe a front facing one with extra UV LED's.
Doug Wotring

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Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 12:59 am:   

Charging excessive shipping for an item on ebay....aka putting your price in the shipping but have an abnormally low bid price....is in violation of ebay listing policies.

Do the community a favor and report these people to ebay
Gary Stadler (Boogiethecat)

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Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 1:24 am:   

The ebay cameras are a pig in a poke. I've bought a couple good ones and a lot of not-so-good ones (crap resolution and focus problems)

I find that the guys at supercircuits are really good and have a lot to offer. They actually talk to you on the phone too!! And every camera I've bought frmo them has been top notch quality, you won't be unhappy.

www.supercircuits.com

On the "microlens" cameras, you can buy separate lenses that are much wider than the ones they advertise on their site, like 105-120 degrees.
Makes all the difference for a rear view camera!!
Ross Carlisle (Rrc62)

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Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 8:45 am:   

"Do the community a favor and report these people to ebay"

eBbay doesn't care. If they got rid of all the inlated shipping listings, they'd have to get rid of half of them. This is common practice and you'd be surprised how many people don't even pay attention to shipping, then get claim they got blind sided by high shipping costs.

On the other hand, when I order something from CA, sometimes the advertised flat rate is less than actual, like on surfboards, so it can work in your favor, just have to watch what you buy.

Items with rediculously over priced shipping like this monitor I just don't bid on. That's the best way to get rid of them. Don't buy thier stuff.

BTW...I've also dealt with Supercircuits. Good people and quality stuff.
JW Smythe (Jwsmythe)

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Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 3:26 pm:   

Here's a Slashdot.org story kind of relating to the screen question.

http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/04/10/2259256

For those that don't know, Slashdot.org is a big tech site with about 1/4 million readership. The comments are usually off-topic, but they have a moderating scheme on there, so you can filter based on how the comments were moderated. And yes, I'm on there with a relatively low UID. I've been on there for a while. Unfortunately, I was on for about a year before I signed up, so my UID could have been much lower.
motorcoach1

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Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 5:40 pm:   

JW this is a little off subject , but i was wondering when i boot up and get on the net i seam to send a lot of packets at times..is their a program that i could use to tell me where there going. i would think more Busnuts would be interested too. If we need to satrt a new thread. Thanks cam and screen guys it's alway been a good subject sence the market changes so fast. The extra led things as an add on really works with low Lux cams in B/w quite well and with the new diodes out, the range is quit good up to a 100 ft or better. Look for luxes in the 1.2 to 1 range. i have 2 harbor fright cams and work fairly well for my needs.
David Hartley (Drdave)

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Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 10:41 pm:   

Packet traffic may be your antivirus or antispyware checking for updates.

I use spykiller and mcafee and they both idle and troll for updates at odd times. Windows update wil also do that upon a connection like on my laptop which doesn't stay connected all the time.

No worry....
JW Smythe (Jwsmythe)

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Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 4:19 am:   

David is partly right. There are probably many things that are starting up at boot time, which may be generating the traffic. Those thiungs may be innocent, or they may not be, and it's really up to you to decide what they are.

To view internet traffic, I use 'Ethereal'. It's great for showing you exactly what is happening. It can be a bit overwhelming, but you'll learn exactly what is going on.

http://www.ethereal.com/

Let it install WinPcap when it installs. You need this to allow capturing of packets for analysis. It won't degrade your network performance at all.

Once you have it running, click Capture -> Interfaces, and select the interface that actually has traffic. Most Windows machines show several interfaces, most being unused. Click "Capture" beside that interface.

I prefer the options "Update list of packets in real time", and "Automatic scrolling in live capture" so I can see what's happening actively.

When you hit "Stop", it'll keep the log of what it's seen, so you can scroll through it at your leasure.

Depending on the position of your network, and what is contained within, you may see different things. Most home networks, you'd be able to see the flow of traffic for every machine on your network.

Some providers sent a lot of ARP traffic, which may be what you're seeing. It depends on how well they designed their network. I'd say that you could complain about it, but other people that I've known who did never manage to get it fixed.

If you (or any BusNut's) need any help figuring out what some of the information is, feel free to drop me a line. My email address should be available in my profile here.
motorcoach1

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Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 6:35 pm:   

thank you JW
David Hartley (Drdave)

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Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 8:35 pm:   

I almost forgot....

DNS key updates take place when you connect and then when you either browse the network or when any program needs a dns lookup. Since we all tend to use an external dns for name to IP translation our computers do tend to send queries a lot even if they are idle as long as the networking is operational even locally.
JW Smythe (Jwsmythe)

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Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 2:38 am:   

Well, it's not DNS keys, but...

Windows can try to update the DNS server with your hostname (as provided in your configuration) in the domain, if it hasn't been disabled. For Windows, in your network card configuration

TCP/IP properties,
--> DNS (tab)
--> Advanced
Uncheck "Register this connection's addresses in DNS.

Most providers don't support it anyways, so it's a worthless option, except for making extra network traffic.

There are a variety of things that do make network traffic when you first come online. The DHCP requests can take several seconds to finish. This is required (usually) to get you online.

*EVERYTHING* that uses a name on the internet needs DNS to work. Some things that hit when you first start the computer are your antivirus/antispyware doing updates, Windows hitting windowsupdate.microsoft.com, and anything else you may have installed that does network traffic. Virtually everyone uses names rather than IP's, so it's much easier to make changes. If they hardcoded IP's in, they'd need to get all their users to update the software because the old version would no longer be able to reach their update servers.

And before I@n gets mad, I'm available by email for this stuff. :-) I don't have any suggestions on boards like this for tech stuff. I had one once, but since no one used it, I took it down years ago.
Crane

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Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 9:02 am:   

Try this link

http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bin/item/VC-20/135/AUTOMOBILE_REARVIEW_COLOR_CAMERA_.htm l

Just an offering

Crane
JW Smythe (Jwsmythe)

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Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 10:43 am:   

That looks just like one of the ones I was looking at on eBay. My biggest concern with eBay is getting it from questionable vendors overseas. There are over 300 options on eBay.

Personally, I'd prefer one with infrared, so you can see at night when backing up. That's why I liked the one at Home Depot. I could buy one, try it, and either buy two more, or return it locally. I'm sure if we keep our eyes open, we'll find them all over the place. I'm not shopping quite yet, so I've only looked at cameras that have jumped out at me in stores.

That one is perfect for a car (which it's designed for), since it replaces the trunk lock. It doesn't require any extra holes in a car, and most people don't even use their trunk key. It may be a bitch to aim, since it doesn't have any mounting hardware. Too bad they don't indicate the field of view or anything.

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