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Joe (Frtnkr)
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Post Number: 38
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 69.27.80.186
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 1:57 am: | |
I just bought a stamford newage/kubota 9.9 genset. It is not set up for RV use. It has a voltage regulator, and is a four pole genset. There are 8 lugs on the genset. One cluster of four reads 130v when I attact a multi meter, the other 4 read 260. I have an electrical box with a 30a 110v RV plug and a standard household 110v 15a plug. How Would I go about hooking the genset up to the box?
Eventualy I will hard wire 2 AC units and the Bus breaker box to it, but in the meantime I would like to use it to power my rv where I presently reside, so that box seem like the way to go. |
Richard Bowyer (Drivingmisslazy)
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Post Number: 1675
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Posted From: 75.108.82.163
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 10:06 am: | |
In my 40 plus years working on alternators/gensets I have never encountered one with 8 leads. Typical is 4, 6, or 12 for three phase units. None of my technical books show anything with 8 leads.
If you do not get a positive answer here, I would suggest you contact Stanford Newage directly. They are an English company, but I am certain they have a US distributor.
Richard
PS Please let us know what you find out. |
Joe (Frtnkr)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 4:10 pm: | |
I guess I was a little off base. There are 4 leads, a neutral (N) and three more, W, V, and U. Each lead has two bolts, that is where I got 8.
I have a schematic sheet they call "Main Terminal Connections". There are five configurations, Series Star, series delta, parallel star, parallel zig zag, and double delta.
Is there a control box/fues box/receptical box that a lot of you all like to use? Or a post/faq that would put me in the right direction? |
Richard Bowyer (Drivingmisslazy)
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Post Number: 1676
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 5:36 pm: | |
That is the name of the various three phase connections. Since Newage is primarily a manufacturer of three phase alternators, then I strongly suspect you have a three phase unit.
Single phase output, from a three phase unit, is typically 66% of the full rating so you would be limited to about 6 kva in the parallel zig-zag or the double delta. I would really need to see the schematic to really give you accurate data.
Richard |
Ed Jewett (Kristinsgrandpa)
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Post Number: 262
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Posted From: 64.24.212.56
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 10:51 pm: | |
The series wye (star) is 277/480 3 phase,
The series delta is 120/240 3 phase,
The parallel wye (star) 120/208 3 phase,
The parallel zig-zag is 120/240 single phase,
The double delta is 120/240 single phase,
If you want just 120 single phase there is a parallel delta that is not on your list.
And like Richard says all the single phase connections will be at reduced wattage. |
Ray Lala (Rayshound)
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Post Number: 72
Registered: 8-2003
Posted From: 68.201.216.135
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 11:01 pm: | |
Joe maybe I can help. I have the same 9.9 newage stanford with a 4 cyl kubota diesel. I do have a name plate on mine. It is a single phase on the data tag, but the best I remember taking off the plate on the dog house it had several leads besides the field leads going to the avr. I didn't count them. I had downloaded the manual off the internet and also found the seller of mine who had a website & sells marine sets. Mine is listed under a keel cooled genset. The co. is in Florida and is called next generation. I talked with them and he faxed me the hook up as mine was configured for 110vac and I wanted the 220vac. It is a pictorial sheet showing a square plate under the doghouse lid. it has 4 terminals with several leads already terminated, paired and labeled. The design of this setup is to move the bus bars and leave the wire pairs alone even though they could be rearranged to different configurations. The picture shows for 120/240 connection (1) bus bar goes between terminals U2 & U5. That is also your neutral leg. U1 & U6 is your 2 hot legs. In the second picture shows 120v connection. It shows 1 bus bar between U2 & U6 which is the neutral leg and the second busbar between U1 & U5 which is the Hot leg.There is also a jumper on the avr(quote) jumper must be added on regulator board to terminals 3&4 for strait 120 connection. leave terminals 1&2 as they are set from factory. I wish I still had the url for the web site as they have 2 or 3 pdf files to download. I found it by Google. Hope this helps. Ray |
John MC9 (John_mc9)
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Post Number: 92
Registered: 7-2006
Posted From: 66.217.107.109
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 12:25 am: | |
"Next Generation" PDF downloads |
Richard Bowyer (Drivingmisslazy)
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Post Number: 1677
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 9:24 am: | |
In my experience, any three phase delta connection is a single voltage, such as 240 volts, never 240/120.
The 240/120 volt single phase available from this connection is taking single phase power from L1 and L2 and the center tap between these two connections. No power should be taken from the L3 connection.
I really have not heard of a double delta connection. This may be a parallel delta, and the voltage would then be three phase, 120 volts. With l2 grounded for a neutral, then you would have 120 volts from L1 to the neutral/ground. Only about 33% of the alternator rated power is available from this connection.
Richard
(Message edited by drivingmisslazy on September 13, 2006) |
Joe (Frtnkr)
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Registered: 6-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 12:09 pm: | |
I should add...When I touch a multi meter to the N lug and then to any of the other lugs I get 120v. That is how it is set up now...
I will try and draw a schematic later today. |
Ray Lala (Rayshound)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 4:33 pm: | |
This is There website cut & paste it has a 40 page manual to download. select BCI 16 12 wire reconnectable single or 3 phase. Ray
http://213.164.133.57/english/content/030101_stamford_0101.html |
Bill 340 (Bill_340)
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Registered: 7-2006
Posted From: 70.221.179.59
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 7:57 pm: | |
Joe I have the same generator. N is neutral the next two are 110 volt w and v do not hook to the u, I have my coach wired as 220 but only have 110 volts going thru. as i have no 220 volt appliances, I just have my neutrals tied together, email me as I have exactly the same generator and it drove me nuts till I had someone figure it all out. More power than you will ever need, that generator is capable of producinc 600 volts with a repower, Bill 340 |