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kristine starr (Kbunnystarr)
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Post Number: 59
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 216.67.218.67
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 5:33 pm: | |
allison, 1975 flxible bus...will give lots of details of situation, |
Jim Shepherd (Rv_safetyman)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 8:28 pm: | |
Kristine, you need to give us a few details. First tell us which transmission you have and what the symptoms are.
Most of us are not “experts”, but many of us have some experience that might help and some of us have various Allison manuals that we could use to help you with your problem.
Jim Shepherd
Evergreen, CO
’85 Eagle 10/Series 60/Eaton AutoShift 10 speed transmission
Bus Project details: http://www.rvsafetysystems.com/busproject.htm (updated 2/9/06) |
Bob greenwood (Bob_greenwood)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 9:02 pm: | |
I think she has a v-drive city bus, converted |
Phil Cegielski (Rt4957)
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Registered: 7-2006
Posted From: 207.200.116.133
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 16, 2006 - 5:17 am: | |
Please tell us
As a fellow 1975 Flxible Owner,,I`m curious.
What`s it doing,,or not doing.
Let us know,,we can at least guess on a fix.
Rt4957 |
kristine starr (Kbunnystarr)
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Post Number: 61
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 12:20 pm: | |
ok, im sorry for the delay in gettin back here, I have been in a whirl wind since i moved from seattle to Lake Havasu. my sisters house. the bus issue:
i made the trip without a single issue ......until i got 7 miles from my destination.....
ok, so no running hot at all thru the trip, once about 25 miles from havasu it got up to 200 for about 5 min, but other than thta even on the inclines at 35 mph it ran 170-180. no other issues at all, ok so i stopped at newberry springs on 40, then left early in the AM to avoid heat goin thru mojave desert......was some slow driving and watched heat but no issues, then when i turned off 40 to 95 to head into havasu, i noticed the bus/road, wasnt sure which, felt a tiny bit rougher.......thought it was probably the fact that it was a hwy not interstate, anywya, it wasn't super rough just noticed something...checked gauges and everything seemed normal......on the incline on thta hwy was the only place the bus got up to 200 temp....i said to myself, ok if it doesnt level off in a min or 2 im pullin over to cool down, but then in like a min, the incline leveled and went to a decline down the hill and it cooled right away to 165-170ish.
so kept drivin and then once saw first signs of 'town' i said to myself again, need to find a place to pull over, get some ice and food and call my sisters husband. so i saw a gas station on the right, saw there was a bit of a hill to go down off the hwy into a very snug gasstation, so went to the light and took a right on the road and thenturned into the station. bus felt like it was gonna die, wierd, went to park but there was no space to park or really move at all, so i was just gonna pull back out on hwy 95 and go a little further into town.......but when i came to go up the hill, like 45 degree angle i suppose.....and pull out of the station back on the hwy it felt like it was gonna die again, and then did, and then got it up to the hwy and then it wouldnt move, wouldnt go forward, it didnt die, and it wouldnt move, it jsut sat there.......in first and 2nd both......( i have an automatic) then felt like it was gonna die, so i put it in 1st and gave it a bunch of gas and it still wouldnt go forward.....and saw a bunch of black smoke come out of the tailpipe....never seen thta before....so i put it in reverse, since i couldnt just sit there, coasted backwards and went forward in 1st on level ground still feeling like it was gonna die, and turned on the side road, with a wide place to park and parked and sat there with it running...........not over hot, nothing else wrong, then it died.
so....i went to get ice came back and like 20 min later, started it, and in neutral it was fine, but when i went to put it in 1st it wanted to and almost died, so put it in 2nd, went forward, and almost died, got it to the light to get back on the hwy cause after talking to my sisters husband it was like 7 miles t their house...........and when i got to the light same thing ...wouldnt go forward on the hill.........reverse and neutral was fine, anythign else wanted to die....well, knew i was in over my head, and luckily it was no /hardly any traffic, so i put flashers on, and when noone at all behind me, coasted into the lot on my rt just behind me, and put it in neutral and coasted back down to my left, and parked where was.
called my sisters husband he brought a mobile mechanic, they thought maybe fuel filters changed those , not it, so toed it to their house where it sits.
ok, added details......i believe it is 2 issues, .......i checked all my fluids, tranny and oil and all was fine BUT on the oil....there was oil all over the back of the bus......like literally sprayed i guess over the entire back top to bottom of the back....had never been ther before, and my gut said it was from when i gave it alot of gas to get it up the hill, and the black smoke.....but i dont know ..........still the oil was fine when i checked the dipstick thing and it wasnt leaking from anywhere........BUT when the toe truck guy and me/we went to get it off the toe truck ( that was a near disaster in itself) and it was slightly tilted to the right, it started t dip out of someplace underneath....... a fair amount.....was hearing people say....maybe it was a gasket or a hole in a filter and the fan blew it out etc......i dont know what they are talking about, all i know is ther is oil where it isnt supposed to be , but still read ok on the stick.
the bus starts with no problem, airs up, everythign fine, in neutral but you put it in 1st now at all and it ies, 2nd too...........a guy said we need to check the governor ilter, ..........i dont know.........anythoughts on this? i really need some advice.....will be near computr for the next few days, i am in sdak with my mom seeing some dr's....will be back in havasu with bus around the 10th of oct...........i HAVE to get this fixed asap.............any thoughts are so appreciated...and any questions i will try to answer as best i can.
with gratitude, kristine |
kristine starr (Kbunnystarr)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 12:33 pm: | |
i have a 4 speed automatic allison transmission, well it says 4 speed on the paperwork, but it goes 1, 2, 3, n, r on the dash............so is thta right?
and it is a 8v71 DetroitDiesel |
kristine starr (Kbunnystarr)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 12:56 pm: | |
i am assuming it is transmission ......the oil thing is believe is separate, ......do you have any thoughts on the governor and gov filter? a guy said it could do similar things, not letting the bus go etc.....i dont know, just grasping at straws..............peace |
Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 5:17 pm: | |
Hello Kbunny.
First, you would be simply amazed at how little an oil leak will cover the rear of a bus in oil. Anything that drips under the bus, it will wear it on the back if travelling at speed. A cup full of oil, slowly dripped underneath, will leave oil running down the tailgate, from roof to bumper.
So, don't worry too much about that, since the fluids are up.
Now, some detective work. Have a good look around and see if you can locate the source of the leak. Is it transmission or engine oil? Might be too messy under there to pin point.
As to the tranny not shifting or driving properly... I suspect that the oil on the back isn't your real problem.
May be something small. You need to know which transmission you have. Get in there and find the plate attached to the side, or get online and compare pictures of others' bus engine room to yours. Then call our good friend Luke at US Coach. 888-262-2434
There are a few little tricks that might be easy and inexpensive. He is absolutely a straight shooter and a big supporter of our hobby.
No doubt you realize that you are a sitting duck for less than honest and/or unskilled people right now. Be very careful who you talk to or listen to.
You don't want to be spending money if a $50 part and a screw driver will fix it.
happy coaching!
buswarrior |
kristine starr (Kbunnystarr)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 6:05 pm: | |
thank you soooo much for your post, the entire dash and front area drivers and passanger has been redone in hardwood, the dash and switches an dall gauges are on the left side of the bus to the left of the drivers seat, under the sliding window...the shifter is sorta like a togle switch, with lights next to each gear marker 1,2,3,n, r each has its own light, its not like a handle or shifter at all...i emailed th eguy i got it from to ask him...will let you know if he resonds..........and i will look at the plate you are asking about as soon as i get back to az......thanx for the # and the thoughts on bot boards |
kristine starr (Kbunnystarr)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 6:13 pm: | |
ok, so i just heard back from the guy i got the bus from, he said it is a V-730. that he was using straight 40 in the tranny fluid, but drained it and put new seals and put 27 quarts of ATF in. said it will be darkish for awhile and will clear up to a pinkish. does that help anyone know anything? |
Pete/RTS Daytona (Pete_rtsdaytona)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 6:32 pm: | |
more likely a V731 - That would be the electronic pushbutton version of the v730
Oil all over the back of the bus - drips when your on an angle - Your engine has a "SLOBBER TUBE" - transit companies enpty it regularly - bus converters forget about it - when it's full of "slobber" (actually most unburnt fuel when the blower loads up on idle) it leaks when the bus tips - or drips out and get sucked up when your diving and deposits itself on the rear cover because of the vacuum in back of the bus
stalling / no power in gear - hmmm wonder if your muffler is clogged - have you been idling the bus a lot lately ??
how about a phone# or call me at 386 672-0571
I'll call back (unlimited l/d)
Pete RTS/Daytona - we also have an assist list going at |
Pete/RTS Daytona (Pete_rtsdaytona)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 6:43 pm: | |
http://www.cruiser-magazine.com/Help_assist_data_base.html |
kristine starr (Kbunnystarr)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 6:54 pm: | |
oh, how super what you are doing with the assist list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! props to you!! on the muffeler, instead of it being a full circle it is like a 1/3 rd of a circle on the end part, and maybe 8" up and then its fine, guy i got it from said someone must have taken a curb too hard or something, could thataffect it? it was on the list once i got to az to have fixed, but had yet to get to it, wanted to ask on here first, how it is gone about being fixed? is the pipe"un"bent or does it have to be replaced? and is that a clog problem or is it not what you are talkign baout.?
my mom is sick, bad time for me to be on the phone right now, can i call later or tommorrow? our time is different, whats good for you?
havent been ideling ALOT, not too much really, some jsut cause of it not moving, and thats about it, cause it would start but not move and trying to get it going it idled some, other wise it was a 1600 mile trip of drive drive , sleep an dsome more drive drive...... |
kristine starr (Kbunnystarr)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 6:55 pm: | |
how would i know /check if its clogged? |
Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 7:42 pm: | |
Hello Kbunny.
From the story, it sounds like this happened all of a sudden, after a drive, which suggests something has broken or otherwise let go.
Mufflers, filters and the like are usually a more gradual problem, than the sudden one you described. Of course, if the internals of the muffler collapsed appropriately all at once... but likelihood if the exterior of the muffler, other than the denting, looks ok?
I'm betting on something tranny related.
Hey, is the connection between the engine governor and the auto tranny intact?
It will be a cable for a V730, or a cable to a throttle position sensor for a V731.
For a 1975 Flex, a V731 would be a retrofit, and why retrofit the described made up shifter toggle? Why wouldn't the previous owner just use the ATEC shifter? I'm thinking some sort of electric/air shifter may have been added to the V730.... which might be a problem all on its own, if some piece is stuck part way in and out....
Ahaaaa....
Kbunny, a digital camera and some posted pics on your return might just shorten up this dilemma!
happy coaching!
buswarrior |
kristine starr (Kbunnystarr)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 8:08 pm: | |
i will post pics when back to AZ, what should i take pics of? yes the muffler looks ok, i guess, what would look bad if it was bad, i mean what should it NOT look like? sorry, im new...:o) |
kristine starr (Kbunnystarr)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 29, 2006 - 9:54 am: | |
from the guy i got the bus from:
100% positive it is a V730. If you open the trans door, you will see the hydrolic (F & R) shifter going to the trans itsself.
there is a company in Texas that makes that shifter Electic shift with hydrolic assist. |
kristine starr (Kbunnystarr)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 29, 2006 - 10:10 am: | |
HE ALSO WROTE THIS........ anyone have any thoughts on this?::
check out the govenor screen on the trans.they are located just below the govenor on the valve body. they might be dirty. |
kristine starr (Kbunnystarr)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 05, 2006 - 11:20 am: | |
i am going back to seattle on the 6th...arrive the 7th early am, to drive car back to AZ.....i really appreciate everyone who made a post here and took the time to help!!!! i feel alot better as a result of it, even though its not fixed i have some real thoughts from people who know alot more than me!! THANK YOU!!
i will post here when im back in AZ and have some progress to report!
hugs, k |
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