| Author | Message | ||
| John Harrelson (Jharl)
Registered Member Username: Jharl Post Number: 27 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 72.71.225.38 Rating: N/A |
Hey all, I have that eagle that needed bleeding, well i think that is done. and i am lookingfor a little more help. The bus is an 64 silver eagle 01, w/ 8v71. one side is bad and need to be rebuilt later when money allows. I need to move the bus soon and i cannot get it started. The bus is located in acton maine wich is nest to alaska. I have installed the a fuel pump as suggested. per the fuel pump post i installed it in a simular fashon and found that the line I was on was thereturn line. so I move the pump to the back and put it beforthe primary seconday filters. I have a full tank fuel. I have pulled fuel to the first filter and blead out the air from a bung in the top of the filter housing. so i spent the afternoon cranking the bus over. ( I wish the crank would turn over that would be a lot easier). What can i do to heat up the block without a block heater. i there somthing else I can do to start it. Help | ||
| John Harrelson (Jharl)
Registered Member Username: Jharl Post Number: 28 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 72.71.225.38 Rating: N/A |
I had a new rebuit done locally for $200 | ||
| Richard Bowyer (Drivingmisslazy)
Registered Member Username: Drivingmisslazy Post Number: 1769 Registered: 1-2001 Posted From: 75.108.82.163 Rating: N/A |
I have heard of people putting a short BBQ charcoal grill under the engine pan to heat up the oil. I would think you would have to be extremely careful if you have any oil leaks dripping down. And maybe some kind of blanket to cover the engine to try and preserve the heat. Hopefully someone will have a better idea than this. Richard | ||
| Jim Wilke (Pd41044039)
Registered Member Username: Pd41044039 Post Number: 96 Registered: 2-2001 Posted From: 69.77.151.82 Rating: N/A |
You could get one of those horizontal propane or kerosene forced air barn heaters that put out about 80,000 BTUs. Aim it under the engine compartment and close off the sides with scrap plywood or something similar. Let it run for about 4 hours & the engine should be nice & toasty. (You probably could turn the "ignition" on from time to time to see if the temp gauge climbs." | ||
| Jerry Campbell (Jerrync)
Registered Member Username: Jerrync Post Number: 45 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 69.132.150.103 Rating: N/A |
I have used a ready heater and have it blast under my crane but I did get a heater with a magnet on it to the oil pan this takes about 24 hrs. | ||
| Frank Rowe (Frankid)
Registered Member Username: Frankid Post Number: 2 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 63.239.248.1 Rating: N/A |
8V71 DD engines warm up nicely with a block heater. The heaters are available frrom most diesel shops for about $45. The heaters are very easy to install. The location is just to the front of the engine dipstick on block. The dipstick tube may need to be unbolted temporarily. The plug is usually a 1 inch pipe plug and has a recessed 1/2 inch drive. If the block heater is at the ready, very little quantity of coolant will be lost. After the heater is plugged into a 20amp recepticle at 120vac, about 12-18 hours will raise the engine temp to about 100 degrees F . The DD will start immediately. Frank in Idaho. | ||
| Frank Rowe (Frankid)
Registered Member Username: Frankid Post Number: 3 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 63.239.248.1 Rating: N/A |
Engine oil heaters are OK, but on large engines, the heater will cook and scald the oil at the heater's location. One one occasion, I started a DD engine with a farm weed burner. The hot air blast was directed into the engine fresh air inlet. Oh, yes, a little paint was made brown, but no fire. Frank | ||
| R.J.(Bob) Evans (Bobofthenorth)
Registered Member Username: Bobofthenorth Post Number: 127 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 142.165.179.174 Rating: N/A |
When we want to start a truck out in the yard in the winter we use a tiger torch and a pipe elbow. You stick the tiger torch into a short piece of 3 or 4" pipe with an elbow on the far end and set the elbow pointing up at the oil pan. An hour or so of that will get pretty well anything running in pretty well any weather. You want to keep an eye on things if you have a bunch of oil and dirt on the engine because it could get a lot hotter than you intended, if you know what I mean. | ||
| joe padberg (Joemc7ab)
Registered Member Username: Joemc7ab Post Number: 56 Registered: 6-2004 Posted From: 66.38.159.33 Rating: N/A |
John What Bob (above post) is referring to is very familiar to us in the frozen north, but I think it is the same thing known south of the border as the farm weed burner. Joe. | ||
| Gene Lewis (Genelewis)
Registered Member Username: Genelewis Post Number: 58 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 24.181.245.247 Rating: N/A |
Hey Bob I guess I'm a little far back in the sticks cause I ain't never heard of a "tiger torch". Would U explain to me what a "tiger Torch" is? I'm trying to learn. Thanks, gene | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 134 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 66.217.105.154 Rating: N/A |
GET ANOTHER WEEDBURNER, I THINK IT'S GONNA START !!  | ||
| R.J.(Bob) Evans (Bobofthenorth)
Registered Member Username: Bobofthenorth Post Number: 128 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 142.165.179.215 Rating: N/A |
Maybe its a weedburner. ??? A tiger torch is a piece of 3/4" pipe about 3' long with a jet and a burner on the end of it that puts out anywhere up to 75,000 BTU. | ||
| Gene Lewis (Genelewis)
Registered Member Username: Genelewis Post Number: 59 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 24.181.245.247 Rating: N/A |
Thanks Bob - I understand now gene | ||
| John Harrelson (Jharl)
Registered Member Username: Jharl Post Number: 29 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 72.71.234.159 Rating: N/A |
i got the block heater and will put it in tomarrow. i got a 1500 watt one that goes in the one inch whole around the corner from where the regular one goes. cost 45 bucks | ||
| john w. roan (Chessie4905)
Registered Member Username: Chessie4905 Post Number: 354 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 71.58.126.56 Rating: N/A |
I hope you are sucessful in removing that plug; sometimes they act like they are welded in place. As I don't know whether you've attempted something like this before. I'll pass along some tips that have helped me. Wirebrush around the area. Heat around the plug with a propane torch a little and melt some candle wax into the threads. Try to use a 3/4 drive ratchet/ breaker bar, reduced down to the square hole size ( a male adapter socket made specifically to remove plugs is nice). Keep the socket or square drive perpendicular with plug to help avoid rounding out the plug. avoid extensions on ratchet if possible. If you have to use a 1/2' drive ratchet or breaker bar, try to use a good one to avoid breakage of the tool. Hopefully the plug isn't that tight and the above advice will be unneeded. Good Luck. BTW is the Eagle 12 or 24 volt? | ||
| Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
Registered Member Username: Buswarrior Post Number: 955 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 64.228.88.169 Rating: |
Hello John. At the risk of abuse from the purists.... Just use the starting fluid and get on with it. If you have the fuel system primed, which would be indicated by white smoke that smells like diesel fuel out the exhaust when you are valiantly cranking the starter.... And the batteries are up to charge and spinning the motor at a good speed.... It's ok to use the heroin they call "starting fluid" or "ether" and off you go. Two people, one to hit the starter, and then the other hits the spray, into the special fitting on the top of the air intake on the top of the blower, or pull out the air filter and let it have it right up the pipe. Re-install the filter after you get it to run. You won't hurt anything. Emphasis on "while the other person is cranking" Come on folks, he's out in the frozen "next to Alaska" the motor needs work anyway and he's going to lose the coolant, along with his finger and ear tips to frost bite fooling around installing a block heater that the rebuilder can install free of charge. It is easy to be a purist when it doesn't get cold. Heroin does have its place in the medicine cabinet. happy coaching! buswarrior | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 69 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 4.235.251.216 Rating: N/A |
DD had a great system for Navy use on the 6-71. A special hand pump was connected to the diesel tank, and after pressure was up a special cast fitting on an air box had an ignitor that lit the fuel , as the engine was cranked. Have looked in vain for one of these beauties . FF | ||
| Leland Bradley (Lee_bradley)
Registered Member Username: Lee_bradley Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 140.178.205.10 Rating: N/A |
Allis Chalmers had similar system used a pressurised fuel igniter that mounted in one of the port covers. | ||
| Leland Bradley (Lee_bradley)
Registered Member Username: Lee_bradley Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 140.178.205.10 Rating: N/A |
Also saw a system in the intake prior to the blower on an 8-71 in a Army self-propelled 155mm howiziter. | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 139 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 66.217.107.42 Rating: N/A |
OK....... NOW..... LET'S TRY THE ETHER -AND THE WEEDBURNER- AT THE SAME TIME!!!  | ||
| Bob greenwood (Bob_greenwood)
Registered Member Username: Bob_greenwood Post Number: 459 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 64.136.49.228 Rating: N/A |
..............  | ||
| jim morrison (Jim_morrison)
Registered Member Username: Jim_morrison Post Number: 33 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 72.142.29.218 Rating: N/A |
lmao thanks | ||
| joe padberg (Joemc7ab)
Registered Member Username: Joemc7ab Post Number: 58 Registered: 6-2004 Posted From: 66.38.159.33 Rating: N/A |
John When I saw that, I rolled off the chair laughing!!! Joe. | ||
| Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
Registered Member Username: Buswarrior Post Number: 959 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 64.231.8.178 Rating: N/A |
"dang, burned my moustache clean off!!!!" Thanks John! | ||
| Gus Causbie (Gusc)
Registered Member Username: Gusc Post Number: 247 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 63.97.117.25 Rating: N/A |
Buswarrior, Agree with you on the ether but not on the method. My 671 has a small cup atop the airbox specially made for an ether capsule. No capsules now available so I just spray a small amount into the cup, walk to the front and it starts every time. This is per the 4104 Operating Manual. 8V71s may not have this cup, I don't know, but it should be checked out. This is much safer than spraying into the air intake-for one thing it is a solo operation and starts instantly, no white smoke. | ||
| Richard Bowyer (Drivingmisslazy)
Registered Member Username: Drivingmisslazy Post Number: 1775 Registered: 1-2001 Posted From: 75.108.82.163 Rating: N/A |
I do not know how the capsules worked but I have been led to believe that they punctured somehow after you cranked the engine. I have always been advised for many many years that you need two people when injecting ether, either thru the cup or the air intake. One person should be cranking the engine and as soon as it starts turning over you inject the ether. Never inject ether in an engine that is stationary, so i have been told by many supposedly two cycle experts. And this was back in the old days when two cycle mechanics were plentiful. Richard (Message edited by drivingmisslazy on December 16, 2006) | ||
| Dale Waller (Happycampersrus)
Registered Member Username: Happycampersrus Post Number: 286 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 69.19.14.35 Rating: N/A |
The only real thing to be careful of here is the capsule was a PREMEASURED charge of ether, so don't go overboard with the spray. The idea behind cranking while spraying is that the one spraying will stop after the engine lites off so not to overdose the engine. Dale | ||
| John Harrelson (Jharl)
Registered Member Username: Jharl Post Number: 33 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 72.64.9.254 Rating: N/A |
Well I ended up not going with the block heater in the end of the block I could not get the plug out. I changed it for the one that goes into the access panel. I let her sit over night to setup, charged the batteries and plugged her in. later about 4 I TRIED IT AND I found that I still am not getting fuel out of the tail pipe. Please tell me how to bleed the air out this bus. thanks | ||
| John Harrelson (Jharl)
Registered Member Username: Jharl Post Number: 34 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 72.64.9.254 Rating: N/A |
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!! (Message edited by jharl on December 16, 2006) |
