Hydrocaps Log Out | Topics | Search
Moderators | Edit Profile

BNO BBS - BNO's Bulletin Board System » THE ARCHIVES » Year 2006 » December 2006 » Hydrocaps « Previous Next »

Author Message
FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member
Username: Fast_fred

Post Number: 64
Registered: 10-2006
Posted From: 4.235.204.125

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Posted on Monday, December 11, 2006 - 5:27 am:   

Folks just getting up to speed living with batteries may need this lift from Home Power.

Things that Work!
Home Power tests the Hydrocaps
One of the perpetual chores in home power systems is watering the
batteries. These large lead-acid cells always seem thirsty for distilled
water. As these batteries recharge, some of their water escapes.
Periodic watering of these large cells is essential for battery survival.
Failure to do so results in the early demise of these expensive batteries.
Hydrocaps are devices which greatly reduce the battery's water consumption
and also offer vital safety and operating features.
The Lead-Acid Recharging Process
The electrolyte in lead acid batteries is a dilute (Å25%) solution
of sulphuric acid in water. As the lead-acid cell reaches a full
state of charge, some the water in the electrolyte is broken down
into hydrogen and oxygen gasses by the recharging current. These
gasses escape from the vent on the top of each cell. This process,
called "gassing", accounts for the water lost from the cells. The
actual amount of water the cell loses during recharging depends on
several factors. High temperatures (>90¡F), high rates of recharge
(>C/20), and elevated voltage limits (>2.44 VDC per cell) all increase
the amount of gassing that occurs during the recharging process.
If all the cells in a lead-acid battery are to be totally refilled
and equalized, then a certain amount of gassing will have to take
place. It's up to us to deal with this situation. First, we must
add distilled water to the cells to make up for the water hydrolyzed
into hydrogen and oxygen. Second, we must deal with the potentially
explosive mixture of hydrogen and oxygen being vented from the cells.
Hydrocaps offer solutions to both these problems.
Hydrocaps
A Hydrocap is a catalytic gas recombiner than converts hydrogen and
oxygen gasses into pure water. A catalyst is a substance which encourages
other substances into chemical change without actually participating
in that change, sort of a chemical ambassador. The process occurring
in the Hydrocap is similar to that occurring in an automotive catalytic
converter.
The Hydrocap replaces the regular cell cap. When the cell is gassing,
the hydrogen and oxygen gasses are vented into the Hydrocap. Inside
the Hydrocap, a catalyst of platinum and other platinum group metals
recombine the gasses into pure water. This water is then dripped
back into the cell. The Hydrocap recycles the water that the cell
gives off as hydrogen and oxygen gasses. This eliminates the danger
posed by the hydrogen gas and vastly reduces watering the cells.
When the cell is gassing, some of the recharging energy is not being
stored in the cell, but is breaking down water into its constituent
elements- hydrogen and oxygen. Some of the energy used in the conversion
of water into hydrogen and oxygen is retrieved by the Hydrocap.
When the Hydrocap is operating it gets warm. This heat energy is
a by product of the catalytic recombination of the hydrogen and oxygen
back into water. While this may seem just an interesting aside,
we found the Hydrocap's warmth very useful as an indicator of the
cell's state of charge.
Testing the Hydrocap
We installed 6 Hydrocaps on two Trojan L-16W batteries (350 Ampere-hours
at 12 VDC) in the Plywood Palace on 9 March 1989. These batteries
are recharged by a motley assortment of five PV panels (Å200 peak
Watts) and our home made Mark VI engine/generator system (12 to 16
VDC from 5 to 100 Amps). See HP2, page 25, for a description of
this engine/generator system. I usually add about a pint of distilled
water to each cell per month. Each cell (and this battery has six)
has an electrolyte capacity of three quarts. We've been cycling
this battery about three times a week; this means lots of recharging
and its associated water consumption. Basically, this battery is
consuming about $8 worth of distilled water a year.
I removed the cell caps, filled the cells with water, and replaced
the stock caps with Hydrocaps. I then fired up the Mark VI engine/generator
to recharge the battery and check out the Hydrocaps' operation.
The battery was already just about full from the PVs' daily input.
It only took a few minutes before the battery voltage rose to 14.5
VDC at 17 Amperes input (about a C/20 rate for this battery). The
battery was now gassing slightly. I raised the voltage limit on
the Mark VI to 14.8 VDC and now I could hear the cells gassing violently.
Each of the Hydrocaps was starting to get warm. I continued to recharge
the battery for a while and found that for this particular battery
the Hydrocaps stayed warm (but not hot) with a voltage limit of 14.6
VDC. I found this fascinating. For the very first time I had some
feedback on how much each cell was actually gassing. The more a
cell gassed, the hotter its Hydrocap became. This battery is over
9 years old and has one cell which is slightly weaker than the rest.
I've determined this by long term voltage measurement of the individual
cells during all sorts of charge/discharge rates. Sure enuff, the
Hydrocap on that particular cell was the slowest to warm up.
The heat output of each Hydrocap provides three valuable bits of
battery information. One, it allows the user to accurately determine
the voltage at which his battery gasses (a good voltage setpoint
for regulators). Two, it allows early detection (and correction
via equalizing) of a weak cell by its relatively cooler Hydrocap.
Three, when all the Hydrocaps reach the same temperature, then all
the cells are equalized (at the same state of charge). And accessing
this information is low tech, just feel the temperature of the Hydrocaps!
It's now been over two months since the Hydrocaps were installed
on our L-16Ws. I checked the water before writing this and all of
the cells are still full. I have not added a drop of water to the
battery during this test period. Operation without the Hydrocaps
would have consumed about 1.5 gallons of distilled water during this
interval. I assume that I will have to eventually add some water
to the battery, even with the Hydrocaps. From the virtually zero
decrease in electrolyte level to date, I think that yearly watering
of the cells is possible in well proportioned systems. Every time
we open a battery's cell to add water we risk contamination of that
cell. Batteries are chemical machines and depend on the purity of
their reactants for longevity. Hydrocaps reduce the frequency of
required water addition and thereby lessen the possibility of cell
contamination.
The top surfaces of our batteries are staying cleaner. During recharging
without Hydrocaps, a fine mist of acid electrolyte is expelled from
the cells along with the hydrogen and oxygen gasses. With the Hydrocaps,
there is actually a negative pressure within the cap. The gas recombination
creates a slight vacuum within the Hydrocap, and the acid mist is
washed back down into the cell by the recombined water. Slick.
The process keeps the acid electrolyte from reaching the top of the
battery's case and corroding everything. Cleaning the tops of our
batteries is one of my least favorite chores. My nose always itches
when I've got acid on my fingersÉ
Based on a catalytic reaction, the Hydrocaps last a long time. The
manufacturer says, and I quote, "The life expectancy of a Hydrocap
is more than 5 years with overcharge rates below 3 Amperes for two
hours each day." What this means to those of us using PVs as energy
sources in properly proportioned systems, is very long lifetimes.
If our power sources aren't grossly overcharging our batteries, then
a set of Hydrocaps should last between ten and twenty years. Sizing
Hydrocaps
Since different batteries have different cap sizes and styles, the
Hydrocaps must be fitted for a particular battery. The manufacturer
aided us, as he does all his customers, in selecting the right size,
shape and overcharge rate for our battery system. Fortunately, Hydrocap
makes a specific model that will fit most any battery and situation.
Hydrocap Cost
The manufacturer sells Hydrocaps directly to the end user for $5.50
each, delivered, in quantities of six or more. I figure that over
the lifetime of a set of Hydrocaps I'll spend at least two times
their purchase price on distilled water alone. And this doesn't
include my time to refill and cleanup the batteries, or the added
safety factor of greatly reduced explosive hydrogen surrounding the
batteries during recharging, or the interesting and useful information
offered the the cap's heat. The Hydrocaps are worth at least what
they cost.
Hydrocap Access
Contact Mr. George Peroni at Hydrocap Corp., 975 N.W. 95 Street,
Miami, FL 33150 ¥ telephone: 305-696-2504. George not only sized
our Hydrocaps, but was very helpful in providing technical information
about his product. Conclusion
Hydrocaps are a must for lead-acid battery users. They increase
the safety of the battery area by reducing explosive hydrogen gas.
They are cost-effective by their savings in distilled water alone.
They reduce battery maintenance while increasing battery longevity
and reliability. They also offer direct tactile feedback regarding
the state of charge of the battery's individual cells. We're now
running Hydrocaps on all our cells and are specifying them on all
the batteries that Electron Connection Ltd. installs. Hydrocaps
should be considered necessary, basic equipment for any system using
lead-acid batteries. RP


FF
Kyle Brandt (Kyle4501)
Registered Member
Username: Kyle4501

Post Number: 257
Registered: 9-2004
Posted From: 65.23.106.193

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Posted on Monday, December 11, 2006 - 9:59 am:   

I just gave my dad "water miser" caps for his early Christmas present. I chose them over the hydrocaps because the charger he uses will occasionally go into a high charge rate & could permanently damage the hydrocap if it was left on & it got too hot. I know my Dad, & he would forget this detail as he is 'tuned in' to other things & the finer points of batterys & inverters escapes him.

I'd prefer hydrocaps on mine over the water-misers, but then again, Thats just me.

kyle4501
Arnold J Molloy (Ayjay)
Registered Member
Username: Ayjay

Post Number: 51
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 151.203.103.166

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Posted on Monday, December 11, 2006 - 12:57 pm:   

Hi:
Great advertizement from Home Power ....BUT.....Just how do you prevent the make-up distilled water from freezing when the temperature in the battery compartment is below 32 degrees, works fine in a house, but my bus lives outside, night time temps into the teens.
Think I'll stick to my AGM's, as lomg as they're charged they don't freeze til somewhere around -40 degrees. If it gets that cold I'll freeze in the house :-)

Cheers

AyJay
john w. roan (Chessie4905)
Registered Member
Username: Chessie4905

Post Number: 355
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 71.58.126.56

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Posted on Monday, December 11, 2006 - 6:22 pm:   

Last time I checked, they were pretty expensive, esp with a limited life span; let's see 4 deep cycle batteries, 24 hydro caps,....... I decided to add water when needed. Also, I don't know if they would be ok when equalizing the batteries.
JR Lynch (Njt5047)
Registered Member
Username: Njt5047

Post Number: 111
Registered: 7-2006
Posted From: 69.132.227.251

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Posted on Monday, December 11, 2006 - 9:53 pm:   

Is it correct that as long as the plates are covered in a lead-acid battery, the battery is OK and will not fail from lack of water?? I have added very little water to my pair of 8Ds, maybe a total of 2 quarts of water in both over 3 years, and none to the cranking group 31s. The batteries are not "up to the ring", but there is plenty of water above the plates....does the water level need to be at the filler ring?
I added a little today, checked them after reading FF's above post, and have been using the same gallon of distilled water so calculating the rate of use is pretty easy.
Thanks, JR
FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member
Username: Fast_fred

Post Number: 65
Registered: 10-2006
Posted From: 4.235.204.6

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Posted on Tuesday, December 12, 2006 - 4:16 am:   

The water use is determined by the amount of discharge and the Rate of recharge.

If you don't cycle the battset very deep , or recharge with a hammer , or to a lower voltage , water use is seldom a hassle.

Use the battset for 50% deep cycle , and recharge at C 20 and the water goes!

Solar seems to be the best at keeping a battset 100% with out water use.

FF
Robert H. Belter (Rhbelter)
Registered Member
Username: Rhbelter

Post Number: 2
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 71.198.17.67

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Posted on Monday, December 25, 2006 - 2:10 pm:   

Ahoy, Fast Fred,

Merry Christmas, and thanks for a superb and learned discussion of Hydrocaps.

I presently have AGM house batteries in my -01 Eagle. The term "AGM" is purported to stand for "absorbtion glass mat", But I suggest that it stands for "always gonna malinger". The amper- hour capacity of these AGM's is well below the claimed 405ah each.

I'll replace them with L-16's, and it sounds like the Hydrocaps will significantly reduce the care-task.

Enjoy /s/ Bob

Add Your Message Here
Posting is currently disabled in this topic. Contact your discussion moderator for more information.

Topics | Last Day | Last Week | Tree View | Search | Help/Instructions | Program Credits Administration