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| steve gaines (Kysteve)
Registered Member Username: Kysteve Post Number: 95 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 74.140.165.225 Rating: |
Man this board is funny tonight. Now that Ive stopped laughing (thanks to ron/john) All jokes aside tonight Ive been trying to remove the steering column from the steering box. I know Im missing something there. Ive got the plate with 4 holes and a stretch clamp loose. But the darn thing just spins up and wont spin out all the way. Anybody familiar enough with the steering box to give me some kinda clue here? Pulling the steering wheel is absolutly outa the question as someone (before me) has beat the tar outa the large nut under the horn button. Thanks Steve ps 69 eagle there | ||
| Ron Walker (Prevost82)
Registered Member Username: Prevost82 Post Number: 285 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 208.181.210.47 Rating: N/A |
Steve ...I'm assuming the the column has a U-joint on the steering box end and a bolt that goes through the U-joint, that clamps the steering box shaft. The bolt has to be completely removed, as there is a groove in the shaft of the steering box that the bolt slides into. Ron | ||
| steve gaines (Kysteve)
Registered Member Username: Kysteve Post Number: 96 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 74.140.165.225 Rating: N/A |
Ron, I see no u joint there, but I cant get the sleeve off of the column because of the steering wheel problem. The column drops straight into the box. Its about 2 and a half inches in diametor and when I lift up on it I get a slight ozzs of what apears to be 90 weight oil running down the side of the box. Now if I spin the steering wheel it (the column) will back out about one half of an inch and thats it. I just know nothing of these large steering boxs to know whats happening there. Steve | ||
| David Hartley (Drdave)
Registered Member Username: Drdave Post Number: 766 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 72.189.203.211 Rating: N/A |
Sounds like you are trying to remove the worm gear by taking the bolts out of the top of the box... Can't be done, It's probably supposed to be extracted out the bottom of the box. Is the steering wheel siezed to the top of the shaft? Is that what started this? Heat, Cobalt drill and a chisel should be able to split the yoke enough to get the wheel loose. Oh... A a Really BIG HAMMER.. A few choice words and little blood should lubricate it well..... Or a little destructive work and gear puller... I dunno, It took me two days to get the stock MCI wheel off my MC9 and three days to re-thread and find a new nut to go back on. And that was with 1 3/4 Inch air impact tool.... | ||
| Jack Conrad (Jackconrad)
Registered Member Username: Jackconrad Post Number: 557 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 76.1.180.218 Rating: N/A |
Steve, Why do you want to pull the stering column? To replace the steering wheel, to install a tilt column, to change the steering gearbox? First re-install the 4 bolts in the top of the steering box. The steering shaft has a u joint in it behind the cover between your legs when sitting in the drivers seat. Also a bracket that bolts to the dash. To get the column out, remove all the trim panels inside, disconnect the dash bracket, disconnect the horn and turn signal wiring and remove the bolt from the clamp on the end of the steering shaft that attaches to the steering box. Spread the clamp. I am probably forgetting something, but hopefully someonme will tell you what I forgot. Jack | ||
| steve gaines (Kysteve)
Registered Member Username: Kysteve Post Number: 98 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 74.140.165.225 Rating: N/A |
Jack, When I raised my roof 12 inches I took my windshield with it in antisipation of rasing the drivers floor level with the rest of the bus. That difference is 15 inches so im raising the steering coulumn 12 inches. Ill try to get some pics this afternoon of the area in question. I have a few more questions about the linkages for the throatal, clutch, and shift. I think if I post a pic everybody will beter understand my problem area. I have taken the bolt out of the clamp allready but I didnt spread it. After work today ill try that. Thanks Steve P.S. I want to replace my column with a newer telescoping tilt one, but I was trying to somewhat save this one as to be able to manuver the bus in its present state should I need to. I havnt done my homework yet as to whether Ill have to replace the gear box or not. I want to add power steering and dont know how that plays into this mess yet. (Message edited by kysteve on April 27, 2007) | ||
| steve gaines (Kysteve)
Registered Member Username: Kysteve Post Number: 99 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 74.140.165.225 Rating: N/A |
Dave, I think your on it about the worm gear. But im sure these two componets separate somewhere there where there is that 4 bolt flang. whew! lol I could cut them with a cutting torch and wouldnt mind but Id loose manuverabilty of the bus and with all the welding and grinding going on I dont what to intoduce a new column in the mix just yet. Thanks Steve | ||
| Muddog16 (Muddog16)
Registered Member Username: Muddog16 Post Number: 351 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 4.224.204.72 Rating: N/A |
Steve, I raised my floor 9 inches with the roof raise, I used the original steering column(shaft, I seperated the shaft from the steering wheel at the top) and it fit perfectly with the new steering column there was some play in the old shaft that allowed for some adjustment but the splines were exactly the same and I didn't have to cut anything, find your column before you have to cut anything.....there are some pictures at my site, if those aren't good enough let me know I'll post some more or email them to you also I can take more pictures if those aren't good enough, I know the buses are different makes..........but then just how many differences can there be in steering shafts!....LOL! I purchased my steering column from Ron the Bus Nut it was awesome it's a tilt and telescopic! Pat (Message edited by muddog16 on April 27, 2007) | ||
| Muddog16 (Muddog16)
Registered Member Username: Muddog16 Post Number: 352 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 4.224.204.72 Rating: N/A |
I'm going to add some more information for you here, I actually put the old shaft into the steering box, then attached it to the new tilt column then tied it up with a rope to the ceiling to find where I had to make the new mounts! then I made the mount.......shifted it around until it felt good,......well as good as sitting on a 5 gal bucket could be .......then I welded it into place it seem pretty easy and only took about half a day to finish! Pat | ||
| steve gaines (Kysteve)
Registered Member Username: Kysteve Post Number: 100 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 74.140.165.225 Rating: |
Pat, unfortunatly someone has litteraly desroyed the top of the steering shaft. I mean the threaded end is simply beat ftat as a flitter to the horn button. Seams to me it must be some really soft metal to have ben flattened out. I dont know how they got it that way. But at any rate its gettin a new one eventually. Now the shaft is inside the column and the outter column is mounted in stiff form at a angle leaning back towards the drivers seat. So the problem I see is there are no u joints there so with that setup the steering wheel would only come sraight up on its column wereby pushing the drivers center back. In other words I dont see a way to make some kind of degree change at the top of the steering box. I could see adding 12 inches and a u joint at each end but, I dont understand the joint at the steering box. Its like the worm drive is wraped around the shaft of the column. I dont think I can explain this with words very well, can I. Ill take some pics as soon as I get back from the shop today. And post the on the blog so you can zoom in on them. Im trying to make cents of whats going on here before I purchase a new column and get the wrong one. Thank Steve | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 304 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 66.217.108.114 Rating: N/A |
Re: "someone has litteraly desroyed the top of the steering shaft. I mean the threaded end is simply beat ftat as a flitter to the horn button. " Grind the flat area down to the top of the nut, and walllahh... Threads! | ||
| steve gaines (Kysteve)
Registered Member Username: Kysteve Post Number: 101 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 74.140.165.225 Rating: N/A |
John, someone beat it without the nut on it. If I need to remove the steering wheel from the shaft it will have to be done with the torch or cutting wheel. I figure it would be best to leave them together and try to get the joint at the steering box. Again im not going to reuse the column permanently but I would like to keep the use of the steering while welding and grinding in the bus. I put a picture up on my blog so everyone can get it big enough to see. So maybe one of you guys can tell me how it comes apart. http://ourbusconversion.blogspot.com/ John I just dont have time to wait for this joint to rust apart for me. Its close but it would still take awhile yet....lol... Thanks guys Steve | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 305 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 66.217.108.114 Rating: N/A |
Re: "I just don't have time to wait for this joint to rust apart " Awww.... On an Eagle, what's another week? Seriously.... wasn't 1969 when they started building the Eagle around the steering wheel assembly? (or was it 1970... can't remember) Let me first say that I know nuttin about no Eagle steering boxes.. Then add.... I could swear someone once told me (a long time ago) that the ball inside the box(s) usually are removed through the bottom, after setting the wheels to run the ball to the extreme bottom of that box... and without removing the ball, the worm gear and shaft can't be removed.... But then too..... I could swear I heard voices today, telling me I should clean and load all my guns and put them in a duffel-bag.... |
