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| James Dersch (Dncrjim)
Registered Member Username: Dncrjim Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 213.96.184.133 Rating: N/A |
Hello, new poster here… I’ve been floating around for about a year, and probably have another year or two before serious purchasing search, but I’m extremely OCD, and I have some revolutionary ideas for someone to shoot down. I don’t plan to spend very much time in my bathroom, and therefore hope to dedicate as little space to it as possible I´ll figure out how to upload pictures of my CAD in a couple of days. As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words. Staying in a hostel one day I was placed in a room that had a handicapped shower. The one I saw is ceramic with a lip around the edge and about 2 inches recessed in the middle. I´m thinking this could be made out of fiberglass and placed covering the whole floor in the bathroom, under the sink and open space, only not under the toilet. Then a shower curtain could simply be pulled around, allowing the toilet to be used, but not requiring separate space for the shower… Of course, there are problems… #1) Keeping the floor dry. I have thought to slant the floor slightly as well as place down some kind of 1/2inch mat (like that fake grass stuff) which would allow the water to drain through, but the top surface would dry quickly. Also, I could always use a towel #2) Keeping the floor dry. In the current concept there are hardwood flooring and don’t want the water to damage them. Is there some way to seal the wood and keep in from soaking water through the seams Very well? This sealing problem will show its head again later. #3) Keeping things from rotting. Even if I pull a shower curtain around everything when I take a shower, the moisture level is going to be extreme. What materials can I use that are easy to construct with, moderately cheap, and can be properly sealed for this? Obviously some vent needs to exist. Oh, and I need instructions for taking over the world. #4) Electrocution. I would like to have a light and electrical outlet in my bathroom. I would rather not fry my batteries as I cook myself to KFC perfection. I’m thinking about using a water proof outlet (as for the exterior of a house), but how do I make sure the lights are sealed? Any insight on any of these things would be great. Thanks! *bows to the busgods* | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 119 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 66.90.229.234 Rating: N/A |
MY WAY , that works for me, was to install a HD shower pan 32sq? or so and box it in as a shower. But the wall that is the inboard (to the isle) is fixed to a box the size of the shower , which is a hanging locker and mounted on 3 heavy duty slides. SO to take a shower , 4 latches are released and the hanging locker slides into the isle, so the shower space is free to enter. The head and a Senicruser corner sink are in a small compartment alongside. The shower telephone head and faucet are on the sink , so the temp is set and the telephone shower head hooked into a mount in the shower area. The floor has a SS doggie bowl inset , so the water can be removed with a std tiny 12v bilge pump. This solves the problem of having to heat an entire bay , just for a shower drain. The shower sump empties into the head sink, so winterizing is pouring antifreez into the shower , where it pumps into the sink, protecting the J trap and empties into the combined black & gray tank. Its great if you want to simply stay clean , the folks that need a Psycic Boost Shower need far more area under glass. FF | ||
| Arnie Molloy (Ayjay)
Registered Member Username: Ayjay Post Number: 88 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 141.154.32.138 Rating: N/A |
Hi: Had a "WET" toilet/bath in a 1952 TT, Corrugated aluminum walls and a large shower base....also made from corrugated aluminum. Could perform the 4 "S" es without moving an inch. AH! the good old days... AyJay | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 554 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 66.217.107.162 Rating: N/A |
Ok..... #1,2,3: Keeping the floor dry; mats, etc... Mats hold moisture and dampness, and will allow mold to grow near instantly. Any dampness in a sealed RV is a major nuisance! A nice tiled floor with a center drain would be mucho' better, ehh? And there's no reason to avoid placing the toilet on the tiled floor.. is there? If the floor is totally tiled, with a nice tiled border, say about 4" or so high... Let the water go where it wants... Make the whole area a shower stall. The walls can be self-manufactured using "FRP" sheets, at around $30 per 4x8 sheet. Sealed with butyl, water will be contained nicely inside the stall! #4: Electrocution. A GPF device for the AC service to the bathroom is needed. I wouldn't do without that... And... an exhaust fan is a necessary appliance for the bathroom. If not for the exhausting; for the noise diversion.... Lotsa' luck!  (Message edited by john_mc9 on December 11, 2007) | ||
| joe padberg (Joemc7ab)
Registered Member Username: Joemc7ab Post Number: 179 Registered: 6-2004 Posted From: 66.38.159.33 Rating: N/A |
I think John meant a Ground Fault Protection devise. Joe. | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 556 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 66.217.107.162 Rating: N/A |
hTanks oJe! | ||
| James Dersch (Dncrjim)
Registered Member Username: Dncrjim Post Number: 3 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 88.3.17.61 Rating: N/A |
Thanks FF, I read that on another page somewhere, but it doesn't work with my plans. Thanks though for the input. There are several reasons I haven't placed the toilet in the "wet zone"... 1) I would like access to the toilet while someone's in the shower. 2) I can't put moisture sensitive storage above or around the toilet if the water is there, and I need a place for towels. 3) I'm thinking of using fiberglass (reinforced with ply) for the shower, and it's not cheap. 4) I'm still working with alternative toilet thoughts, perhaps an incinerating one, perhaps something else... What the heck are "FRP sheets" missed something on that one. And there will of course be GFP, learned that years ago with some christmas tree lights. But then, how do I keep my lights from turning off in the middle of a shower? Or is it really not that much of an issue if they're located appropriately? | ||
| Jack Conrad (Jackconrad)
Registered Member Username: Jackconrad Post Number: 697 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 76.3.169.171 Rating: N/A |
FRP= Fiberglass Reinforced Panel. These are available at places such as Lowe's, Home Depot, etc. For Lighting, you could use 12 volt ceiling mounted lights. 12 volt is much safer in damp areas. Jack | ||
| Kevin Mossman (Ktmossman)
Registered Member Username: Ktmossman Post Number: 8 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 216.46.98.249 Rating: N/A |
Check out: http://www.robgray.com/index_files/index_graynomad.php If you go to the Wothahellizat 2: Construction Diaries and find Diary 9, he describes his shower pan which doubles as the entrance to the vehicle and has a slide out toilet. Basically, his whole bathroom space takes up little more than the size of his shower pan and doubles as the entrance to his rig. Not practical for everyone, but pretty ingenious... | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 557 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 66.217.101.164 Rating: N/A |
"his whole bathroom space takes up little more than the size of his shower pan and doubles as the entrance to his rig." I'm at a loss; no butts about it. | ||
| john w. roan (Chessie4905)
Registered Member Username: Chessie4905 Post Number: 770 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 71.58.48.5 Rating: N/A |
Apparently you are planning to do a conversion on a VW microbus or something similar in size. | ||
| marvin pack (Gomer)
Registered Member Username: Gomer Post Number: 150 Registered: 3-2007 Posted From: 76.4.148.149 Rating: N/A |
be nice chessie! Just go to Lowes Home DEpot or rv salvage places and look around, and don't be afraid to ask questions, you may be surprised what you may find out in doing your project. GOMER | ||
| john w. roan (Chessie4905)
Registered Member Username: Chessie4905 Post Number: 771 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 71.58.48.5 Rating: N/A |
One suggestion you should look into, is to go to a large area RV show. They have some neat space saving ideas on some of their smaller units, and especially short travel trailers and pop ups. | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 130 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 66.90.229.249 Rating: N/A |
One suggestion you should look into, is to go to a large area RV show. They have some neat space saving ideas on some of their smaller units, and especially short travel trailers and pop ups. A different suggestion is to go to a BOAT SHOW. New or better used , as boaters have been building in 3D for 5000 years , and are willing to take the time to construct complex projects to store more items , or gain space. RV husslers are interested in speed of construction ,and minimal coat , periopd. FF | ||
| Jeffrey Smith (Greenhornet)
Registered Member Username: Greenhornet Post Number: 88 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 198.136.32.74 Rating: N/A |
I would see no problem with making the whole bathroom area a tiled area that had a drain in it. Our office restrooms are done like this and makes for easy cleanups.No problem scaling that kind of design down,3 walls could have the fiberglass walls like a shower with a curtain door or frosted glass door. I would make a lip at the door to keep water in though. I wouldn't want the toilet in there though, kinda hard to keep the T Paper dry! #3- as far as the global domination thing goes PM me and I will give you my ideas! Good luck and take lots of pics! | ||
| Tom Caffrey (Pvcces)
Registered Member Username: Pvcces Post Number: 1156 Registered: 5-2001 Posted From: 65.74.67.83 Rating: N/A |
Jeffrey, we're set up that way and have no problem as long as we remove the toilet paper before showering. The area around a toilet needs to be washed up occaisionally, and it's easy to do with the tile under the bowl. Tom Caffrey PD4106-2576 Suncatcher Ketchiokan, Alaska (Message edited by pvcces on December 15, 2007) | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 133 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 66.90.229.195 Rating: N/A |
I wouldn't want the toilet in there though, kinda hard to keep the T Paper dry! On the shelf item in most boat stores , is a plastic case to keep the TP dry in combined toilets. $5.00 or so. FF | ||
| Tim Brandt (Timb)
Registered Member Username: Timb Post Number: 99 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 74.244.14.221 Rating: N/A |
Here is a photo of what Fast Fred is referring to [IMG]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21A0BZY6SEL._SS500_.jpg[/IMG] | ||
| Jeffrey Smith (Greenhornet)
Registered Member Username: Greenhornet Post Number: 89 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 198.136.32.74 Rating: N/A |
That is a great idea! I was just making a funny when I said it, but had no idea there was a deal like that. Worth considering for what James was thinking about doing. | ||
| Tom Caffrey (Pvcces)
Registered Member Username: Pvcces Post Number: 1157 Registered: 5-2001 Posted From: 65.74.67.83 Rating: N/A |
Thanks for the info, guys. We'll make use of it. Tom Caffrey PD4106-2576 Suncatcher Ketchikan, Alaska | ||
| don (Bottomacher)
Registered Member Username: Bottomacher Post Number: 155 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 72.15.86.59 Rating: N/A |
I hope not to introduce another electrical brouhaha, but I need to know if anyone else has a metal shower pan and copper water supply lines. Is there an especially great electric ground hazard or a way to prevent it? Thanks Don | ||
| Tim Brandt (Timb)
Registered Member Username: Timb Post Number: 100 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.165.176.60 Rating: N/A |
I can say from past experience the toilet paper covers work well. I have lived aboard two boats both of which had the head and shower in the same stall. I will see if I can dig up any photos of the arrangement or if not I'll sketch the layout. It worked very well and didn't take up a ton of room |