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steve souza (Stevebnut) (24.91.90.28)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 12, 2002 - 9:20 pm: | |
Hey all--
I purchased some rolls of headliner material (ozite) from ron the bus nut and do not know what to use to glue this stuff up. Would spray adhesive be ok?
Steve |
Jim Nelson (166.90.108.147)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 12, 2002 - 9:48 pm: | |
Only the good stuff - 3M, for example. I've used it to bond on rubber trim, vinyl dash coverings, seat-back and modesty panel carpet, and many, many more things. You just have to follow the directions exactly - deviating from them will make the headliner become hanging drapes in no time. |
Tom Caffrey (Pvcces) (64.114.233.125)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 12, 2002 - 10:19 pm: | |
I was told by a converter down in Quartzsite in December that the non-latex version of pliobond will do nicely. It is used as a contact cement.
I was also told you have to be very careful when you let the contact surfaces touch, because you will not get them to shift afterwards.
He said that you should be very careful about having lots of ventilation, because the fumes are very strong while the pliobond is drying.
Tom Caffrey PD4106-2576 |
Jim Ashworth (Jimnh) (172.175.80.100)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 9:14 am: | |
If you are on the East coast, Clear-Tite contact cement is about the best I've found, high temp and super stick. Comes in gallons for about $17. Available at carpet installers wholesale suppliers. If you use 3-M, pick the right one. They make hundreds of types of glues. I find that rollering the glue on works great. One person outside on the headliner and one on the inside ceiling. With ozite, don't use too much glue because it will come through the very thin material. With any non-waterbased glue, use an adhesive roller because the cement will soften the glue they make the paint rollers with.
Jim |
OAE Palmer (208.164.102.251)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 3:09 pm: | |
I will offer this FWIW...
I spent 2 yrs. next door to a trimmers shop who did nothing but large scale covers, headliners and sail.
When he did "glue-up" headliners, after the material was sewn to the general size, he would turn the material over and "map out" the roof on the backside with chalk or soft pencil.
This gave him his guide lines for application of the cement...AND the positioning of the material.
He would string a wire front to back to hang the material on, an inch below the top ribs.
With the cement already applied to the rib faces and the headliner, he would stretch the material to the proper length and start pressing the center 2 inches of each rib with the headliner..
stretching just enough to meet his pencil marks,
and drawing the material taut
BUT NOT STRECHED TIGHT,
and then moving back to the next rib.
That operation "hung" everything in place,
then he would work from the middle forward on both sides,
being very careful to stay on his pencil lines as they came in contact with the rib as he hand pressed it into place.
When the whole headliner was up and in place he would roll each rib with a braying roller.
Then he would do the cutting and trimming of the overage that hung all around the edges.
He used plastic and aluminum moldings to finish off the edges if there wasn't a place to tuck them.
Scotty could start measuring an empty coach at 8am and roll it out the door finished, before 5pm by himself with his dog begging for pets the whole time.
The key for him was getting the center of the material to adhere to the centerline of the ribs front to back 1st, after that it all followed straight and ez.
Allow for the proper amount of setup or "tack" time
and if you are doing it without 3 hands,
make some 1x2 T's the same length as your interior is high to hold the material against the ribs as you work down the line.
Good luck and PLEASE let us all know how it worked out, so many people come here for advice, take it and never return with the story of their experience, leaving us all wondering what happened? |
joe shelton (Littlewind) (67.241.230.126)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 8:13 am: | |
I have done a number of headliners though none in a bus (airplanes). I did hang one over the drivers area in my 4106 and did have to glue portions of it on the sides.
I don't know what portions you are planning on gluing; to the ribs, over installed paneling or what. But I think gluing a headliner could be very tricky and you could end up with a big mess. I suggest you buy some cheap fabric and hone your skills a bit before you work with your good stuff. You don't want to be learning with your H.L. material.
The 3M spray glues are great stuff but not cheap. The H.L. I've done in the past have been panels sown together. When I do the remainder of my H.L. it will be installed one panel at a time. It is rather detailed so I wont bore you w/the details just now.
Joe |
joe shelton (Littlewind) (67.241.228.174)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 11:38 am: | |
I have a drawing that detials an installation that I plan on using. It is very simple and produces a very good looking headliner. It is a PDF file and I will be happy to send it to you if you like. Just send me an e-mial and I'll send you a copy. Or go to Yahoo gmc-busnuts file section and look for Headliner Installation. Joe |
steve souza (Stevebnut) (24.91.90.28)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 7:56 pm: | |
thank you all for the great info. the headliner is going inside closets and cabinets so it is mostly small pieces. I will post my results for the next person to benefit from this board.
Steve |