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| Douglas Tappan (Dougthebonifiedbusnut)
Registered Member Username: Dougthebonifiedbusnut Post Number: 78 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 75.69.223.64  Rating: N/A |
Hey All, Well i need to put the ceiling material on now.I have screwed the Luan to the metal and now I am ready to glue the carpet to it. I know, even my wife is against using carpet but after seeing Pete's gorgeous RTS I'm sold on the carpet. So now I need any and all suggestions as to how to glue it to the ceiling.To any of you who have successfully done it all suggestion are needed and welcome. | ||
| R.C.Bishop (Chuckllb)
Registered Member Username: Chuckllb Post Number: 500 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 70.212.130.206 Rating: N/A |
Doug....have you read Dave Gailey's book? As I recall, he has some ideas on that...but that was several years ago and I sold mine so cannot be of much help.  Ian ran a chapter a month or whatever out of the book and if he does not run it now, perhaps he could give you some direction to how to access it. Personally, I would give it serious thought B4 putting any fabric on the ceiling...lots'a dirt accumulates there. Particularly if you have and use your ceiling fans. I have 3 and use them every trip. One reason we have not needed A/C in travel. My ceiling is white stain over Oak plywood, but I vacuum it yearly or more often. Fabric anywhere seems to absorb the dirt and dust. I also have cork floor underlayment and tape over the access panels in the floor. Windows up front, except for the drirver's window are sealed. If you need more re the carpet, I believe there is some information in the archives....a bunch of years back. FWIW RCB | ||
| Clint Hunter (Truthhunter)
Registered Member Username: Truthhunter Post Number: 40 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 24.129.235.190 Rating: N/A |
Carpeting vans back in the 70's we would use contact cement for the ceiling, just start pressing the two glued sides together in the center of the carpet, working outwards and make sure your lined up "square" before that first contact. Lots of ventilation is needed. We used a thick latex on the sides were gravity was less to contend with. I wouldn't use it in my bus as it is not cleanable, especially if you cook inside. | ||
| H3-40 (Ace)
Registered Member Username: Ace Post Number: 943 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 70.220.130.235  Rating: N/A |
A Friend of mine just acquired a 92 pro done Prevost and it has ozite material on the entire ceiling. Needless to say, it started out white and turned black. We think it may have turned from faulty exhaust from the DD and the generator. Basement a/c's help to accelerate the problem. It took TWO cleaning companies to come in and clean it at the cost of over 300 bucks combined and it's still not perfect. I would really give using material of any kind some deep thought. True you may think it's cheaper to do so now, but later on down the road, it will cost you more! Yes, contact cement is the pro choice but as stated, get it right the first time, or you chance ruining a good piece of material. Ace | ||
| Nellie Wilson (Vivianellie)
Registered Member Username: Vivianellie Post Number: 217 Registered: 11-2008 Posted From: 206.251.1.236  Rating: N/A |
Hi Doug - About carpet and such, I know from nothing... but my friend Ralph (Peters) knows a bunch, and he just installed some fabric in my bedroom. He used trunk liner material (like for cars) and applied it with a 3-M product called '77' - it's the same spray-on adhesive auto makers use to secure headliners. It's great stuff... gives you plenty of time to smooth out the wrinkles, doesn't expand and is not messy like glue. And this trunk material is great... very tight fibers and pre-treated to repel dirt and grime. I'll try to post a photo of what it looks like.  Wow! That upper tier looks like the black hole to hell. Bt it really isn't... I just wanted a two-tone look, so I picked gray below and black above. HTH. Nellie | ||
| Pete/RTS Daytona (Pete_rtsdaytona)
Registered Member Username: Pete_rtsdaytona Post Number: 527 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 97.104.29.195 Rating: N/A |
You guys must be thinking of the OLD style carpet. Modern unbacked OZITE carpet (without the rubber backing) is pure 100% Polypropylene - (recycle milk bottles) To quote the OZITE SITE --> "Plush high-pile surface Random, non-linear pattern won't grin Non-woven carpet will not fray or unravel Solution-dyed polyester for good colorfastness Resists stains, soiling, molds, and mildew Easy to cut and mold to desired shape and size Durable - stands up to heavy use" It super easy to clean - doesn't absorb odors I've had it installed for almost 4 years now What do you think is used by most all (including high end) RV's It think it looks great ---> but what do I know http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2730456730037964197UvICco Pete RTS/Daytrona (Message edited by Pete RTS/Daytona on February 16, 2009) | ||
| Clint Hunter (Truthhunter)
Registered Member Username: Truthhunter Post Number: 41 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 24.129.235.190 Rating: N/A |
yeh ,I was thinking back to the days of shag rug covered vans, the famous shaggin wagon of the 70's. At least I think that is why they were called shaggin wagons; hmmmmmmm, perhaps my memory is being a bit faded & naive ! Putting rug in the bedroom like new style ozites might not be bad, even if you had to steam clean it once in a blue moon, still wouldn't want it in the kitchen area. Vents don't remove all the cooking offgasing. Efficient looking timemachine there WillNille, I sure wouldn't mind waking up in that bedroom. | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 694 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 69.19.14.31 Rating: N/A |
"the famous shaggin wagon of the 70's" Don't come a Knockin if this Van is Rockin? That shaggin? FF | ||
| Bob Shafer (Michigander_bob)
Registered Member Username: Michigander_bob Post Number: 58 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 76.221.70.171  Rating: N/A |
I think you're looking for hull liner or marine carpet. Nice stuff, many colors and easy to clean. Here's a link http://www.boatinstyle.com/MARINE_CARPET.htm | ||
| Tim Brandt (Timb)
Registered Member Username: Timb Post Number: 274 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 74.244.14.221  Rating: N/A |
Here is a shot of our overhead after I installed the carpet. You can see the center panel is mirored lexan and then we used industrial carpet on the curved section of the ceiling. I put it up with a little carpet adhesive and 1/2 staples from an air powered staple gun http://members.tccoa.com/timb/carpet.jpg http://members.tccoa.com/timb/Flx/Interior/busint5.jpg | ||
| Wayne Ellenburg (Wlnburg)
Registered Member Username: Wlnburg Post Number: 43 Registered: 6-2008 Posted From: 128.158.1.163  Rating: N/A |
I am in the process of redoing hte ceiling on my Eagle. I have decided to use either an imitation pressed tin or a real pressed aluminium ceiling on mine. Here is a couple links if interested. Imitation-they will send you 3 free samples http://www.ceilume.com Metal http://www.snaplocktinceilings.com/ I am considering the interlocking | ||
| Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
Registered Member Username: Luvrbus Post Number: 639 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 74.32.92.133 Rating: N/A |
Wayne, take a peek at JIm's Eagle on the Eagles board under projects he has the panels from Amercian Tin in his coach looks good | ||
| Chuck Newman (Chuck_newman)
Registered Member Username: Chuck_newman Post Number: 299 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 76.246.252.104 Rating: N/A |
Pete, Very nice looking ceiling. What did you use for the seam covers? Is is just a standard 1" molding with the Ozite wrapped around and glued? Or something else? Thanks. Ace, I talked to a Ozite chemist several years ago about the darkening with age, particularly in the corners. He said it was caused by improper adhesive break down and their recommended fix was to clean it (the dark areas) with a mixture of bleach and water. He said that would clear it right up, but I don't remember the proportions. | ||
| Ed Roelle (Ed_roelle)
Registered Member Username: Ed_roelle Post Number: 74 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 71.0.165.140 Rating: N/A |
I installed inexpensive commercial polypropylene ribbed carpet on the ceiling and walls of my MCI. It held fine and the off white remained clean because of the material. After investigating adhesives, I chose latex contact cement, because it holds better in higher temps - like ceiling. Coat both surfaces heavily. Let dry overnight. Coat both surfaces a second time with full coverage. Let dry. If some spots are drying too slowly, heat lightly with a hair dryer. Press two surfaces together. I used the same latex contact cement to install all the formica on the bus cabinets also. Ed Roelle Flint, MI | ||
| Tom Yaegle (Tom_5c)
Registered Member Username: Tom_5c Post Number: 33 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 96.247.131.181 Rating: N/A |
Douglas, I put Ozite on my ceiling. I used spayable contact cement.I had alumium panels on my ceiling to glue it to. It is an off white color and it went up well. I have half a roll left if intrested. Tom Y | ||
| Douglas Tappan (Dougthebonifiedbusnut)
Registered Member Username: Dougthebonifiedbusnut Post Number: 79 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 75.69.223.64 Rating: N/A |
Thanks All, I put the first small piece on the ceiling,I used Henry mastic and it seems to be working fine but I will check it again in the morning.I am using Ozite and so far it looks awsume. | ||
| Pete/RTS Daytona (Pete_rtsdaytona)
Registered Member Username: Pete_rtsdaytona Post Number: 528 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 97.104.29.195 Rating: N/A |
Henry's Mastic - Takes about a week to really really set - so wait before you test | ||
| H3-40 (Ace)
Registered Member Username: Ace Post Number: 948 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 70.221.51.0 Rating: N/A |
I have used Henry's products in the flooring trade for many years when I was working up North but here in the South, not as much! It holds very well, but not sure I would trust it on a ceiling fabric. If not applied correctly, there is the possibility of bleed thru and that makes a mess on the surface! Ace | ||
| R.C.Bishop (Chuckllb)
Registered Member Username: Chuckllb Post Number: 509 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 75.211.3.63 Rating: N/A |
Plus the heat effect on the adhesive. Frankly, I am pretty well disgusted with all the different adhesives I have used in the coach...'secpting one...the Cork flooring adhesive...and at this moment, I don't have access to what it was  Me thinks, the tremendous range.... of 100 degrees plus to who knows how many minus degrees... depending on where one parks, is the real culprit. FWIW RCB | ||
| Jack Conrad (Jackconrad)
Registered Member Username: Jackconrad Post Number: 969 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 71.54.29.215  Rating: N/A |
Bleed through can be a problem. Years ago, on our 4106, we installed Naugahyde on the ceiling using contact glue. We started with spray cans of 3M but found that was going to be very expensive. We did the rest of the panels using a spray set-up at a friends cabinet shop. About 1 year later, we started noticing bleed through on the 1st panel that was done with the 3M spray can adhesive. Of course, this panel now had a couple interior walls under it which prevented repair without major interior destruction. Jack | ||
| Pete/RTS Daytona (Pete_rtsdaytona)
Registered Member Username: Pete_rtsdaytona Post Number: 529 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 97.104.29.195 Rating: N/A |
ACE is absolutely right - Henry's glue on UNBACKED OZITE will bleed thru if your not careful I found that the trick was to use a notched trowel - make as few passes a possible - do not work in the glue by going back and forth - use the notched trowel on the receiving piece also - you can't just glue one surface Then (and very very important) - let it sit and get very very tacky (almost dry to the touch) - then apply it - this way there is less of a chance of squeezing out any glue when you roller the pieces for the final fit. If you have a wrinkle - just PULL that section down a little and RE-WORK it henry's glue (and other like it) will not stick overhead if it's wet - it will fall down - there is no real sticky power until it starts to dry. I always use the SOLVENT BASED formular - the water based is JUNK Pete RTS - ASK ME HOW I KNOW THIS STUFF - I LEARNED THE VERY VERY HARD WAY !!! |