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| Gary LaBombard (Garylee)
Registered Member Username: Garylee Post Number: 235 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 74.226.223.100 Rating: N/A |
Hello Everyone, This long post will be posted on (3) bus nut bulletin boards I frequent most. I hope this post will not be ammunition for my expulsion from any of the boards. This post is OT and not bus related and may be moved by moderators seeming it important to do so. This is only my personal views and not necessarily meant to influence anyone. This is just a personal “Gary Lee” rave. This will probably be one of my longest bb’d post ever; I am wired up and hope my thoughts here will make you become aware of very important situations threatening our beautiful country and world. I believe there is very present serious situations not being addressed for reasons I cannot believe or accept. If you are a real loyal Obama administration follower and do not think anything going on is of concern to you or you could care less as it is not your problem, then do not read any further. Please, I am letting you know ahead of time so you can go on to more enjoyable information and not read any of my personal (BS) as it may be called, but I assure you it is not. I will not apologize for any of this ramping below; I am deeply concerned for our world & countries future. This is only my own personal (Two Cents Worth). I am not highly educated as some of you may be, but I have a full heart to worry about our happiness here on earth and a brain that does know right from wrong when we are being BShtd. I am in a rave and ramp mode, just Pissed about this Gulf Disaster and the entire BS we are all being fed. I just received this informative web link and perhaps it will be very easily perceived to be a OBAMA political slam, but, remember Katrina?? Remember Bushes immediate help and support that was sent to all those that lost their homes In Louisiana?? How long it was before the Gov't helped them poor people and some of the residents are still in AWE as to the help they still have not received. Thank god for some private citizens and even movie actors for taking the initiative to do something on their own to make things move to get results and help these people with food, clothing, homes, humanity projects for schools and many things not known by me I am sure. How many banks cancelled the payments of properties completely destroyed by Katrina and still insist that they have to continued to be paid for?? This is like owning a freaking worthless timeshare you cannot get rid of and you are led to believe that this property will be passed on to your estate. Well, it will and in most cases the receiver of your property will have to continue to pay the maintenance etc. of these properties they may not even want or can’t afford. This is another bone of contention to me that politicians have allowed these reality giants to pass on to us undereducated lower class people they think we are. These legal thieves also need to have their little schemes exposed; this is another rave I will try to make to help make anyone I can aware of in the future to prevent them from getting in a situation that could and will haunt them the rest of their lives!! This Gulf Spill and Haiti catastrophe is all I need to think of today. Look at Haiti, I just seen an update on that last night by Anderson Cooper on CNN. I believe CNN is the only news that is trying to make everything as honest as they can investigate on their own. Those poor people in Haiti are still living in (plastic tents), (with all this heat & humidity that is world wide mind you) & after over 6 months. Where is all that freaking money we all sent to help out from our hearts and wallets thinking we were doing our best to make it possible for medicines, water, better shelters not made of (Heat Absorbing Plastic) and anything needed to help those poor people?!?!?! No one, I mean no freaking one in our Gov’t or Haiti’s Gov’t is really saying where all that money that was donated world wide mind you really is and why donated items are still in warehouses etc. & not being distributed to those needing it? What a freaking mess, what would you do if you lived in Haiti thinking you would receive help??? Now back to the GULF, Our Own Countries worst catastrophe in our life time! Here is a video sent to me and I know it will be rubbing someone in the worst way because I posted it and slams our present gov’t administration and to you (I will not apologize). I am really concerned about what is happening to our country, our in ecological lands we desperately need for future survival. I am often thinking about those poor people in the Gulf region and soon to be included in that (Poor People) section of our citizens will be everyone on the Florida Coast line, Georgia Coast Line, South Carolina Coast Line, North Carolina Coast Line, with no guarantee that it won’t reach further NORTH!! This is the real deal now, think about it now, these other (Poor People) will soon also feel the impact of this horrible mess allowed to still exist after (84 Unforgiveable days)!!! Here is the link before I forget the real reason why I am writing this post: http://vimeo.com/12933322 Several weeks ago, I called the (BP Volunteer Numbers listed on the internet), I was going to leave alone within hours of packing up my S&S RV and head to the place that is now worst involved with this spill and in my thoughts that would be Louisiana. I have been saddened daily to see the news with the animals covered with oil and not enough volunteers helping them as the animals died by the thousands. We will never know for some time, if ever, how many animals & fishes that this unforgivable catastrophe has actually (MURDERED)!! The people of Louisiana have seen so many catastrophes in the past few years alone and one person at present date was so overcome by this Oil Spill disaster that he took his own life!! Anyone thinking they could not ever reach this level of their life is a (Liar or in complete denial). I just hope this will not be the thought of others thinking it is the easy way out; thinking life is just about over for them. I have no idea how the investors, management of BP can take information I am sure was given by design oil drilling engineers to these greedy Oil companies management & sleep at night? I am positive that decisions were made to minimize off shore safety checks & balances in case of a disaster such as happening right this moment. I do not sure know for sure that the drilling rigs were allowed to discard the safety checks & safety balances needed to do off shore oil drilling. How can these decision making guys / gals involved sleep at night, for the past 84 freaking nights, you freaking low life, ##%&%$ B------s. Well, I called the (BP Volunteer Hot Line) to volunteer, ready to leave with my RV the next morning. When I was interviewed and my information was taken I requested information as to where would be the worst area needing help & where I could assist in my own way. The BP interviewer knew I was serious and immediately told not to do that!!! Do not leave my home area, Greenville, SC and head south to the disaster area???!!! Why Not I asked, the internet and news information I had seen was that many places requested help and I will sacrifice what I had to volunteer. I wanted to clean & preserve animals which I love and worry about for our children and grandchildren in the very NEAR future because of this freaking disaster. Well, I was told I would not be allowed to clean animals. I really wanted to do this and I was willing to sacrifice anything I had to in order to save as many lives of those threatened animals as I personally could. Remember, I am still recovering from back surgery as well. But I did not care, my wife knew I was going to fulfill my desire to do all I could and would leave her here in SC for as long as I thought I could be of use, no matter what my personal cost. My RV was all fuel up to leave the next Morning to where ever I was told I could most; all I needed was to put an address in my GPS, and pack up enough groceries for me for a few weeks to get started!! Well back to the volunteer interview-- I was told not to leave for the south gulf region because I would not be allowed to handle anything with oil on it. I would not be allowed on any of the beaches or marshes or allowed to help clean up oil or clean any animals in particular?? (Why not I asked), well they said I would need extensive training to handle the clean up etc. and that would take a couple of weeks if not more, What? Why??? The bureaucratic rules of handling coastal oil disasters are the rules of Our Gov’t Rules!!! I felt I could sure train in a hurry with on the job training; I am not totally stupid as they may think we all are!! In the mean time we all have to wait for a miracle from GOD (Which I believe could happen and I pray for daily) and we cannot personally do anything because of our bureaucratic rules. I wish I could really put down in this post what my thoughts are for those rules and the a$$holes that made them. My real hope this moment is that these freaking political thieves also have millions of dollars of property in jeopardy along the coast. I am sure much of these thieves’ properties are purchased with stolen money from us tax payers, or large companies under handed payments while they have been in office. I just hope their properties as well as everyone else’s effected in this mess will be effected for (MANY FREAKING YEARS AHEAD). These political butt wipes will not be considered the (Poor People) by me. You can just about bet that their properties will receive priority of clean up before our public beaches when this mess is finally stopped, if it is!! Yep, your right, I am pissed and we all should be. Listen to this video on the link above with a clear mind, never mind what political party you belong to, we can fix these %$#&%$# in the very near (vote able future)!! Get them all out, anyone over 6 years in office should be $hit canned. We have the power, it is up to you. Kick out any administration that does not live up to any promises made or they back pedal their responsibilities because of stepping on other politician thieves toes. Oh, I forgot to tell you, I was told by my interviewer that the way I could really help out with the Gulf Coast Disaster was too send ($$$$)!!! Yea, like I did for Haiti, Katrina and a few others!! They don’t get a dime from me anymore which will probably be used to clean up the beach properties owned by Oil Companies Cartel or Oil influenced and controlled politicians. (No matter what level politician they are) they can kiss my a$$ if they do not want my personal volunteered help. I was willing to leave no matter what my personal health problems are I was and am still ready to serve. To you people that live on or near the Gulf Coast or are involved in the Gulf Disaster my heart goes out to you all, I pray for you all to survive this disaster, stay tight with & support each other and scr-w the bureaucratic system. Don’t let any of your friends, neighbors, relatives believe this is the end of (Their World), Do what you have to do to help each other, lean to pray together no matter how many groups even want this privilege abolished in our lives. Can you imagine not knowing or believing in GOD!! Something is wrong in our system that people have the power to prevent pray in Schools & in some public places and gatherings. We have let it all happen, research who is responsible for our country being screwed up and (GET RID OF THEM FOREVER THROUGH VOTING), NOW!! Use this video above for a beginning and Google, Google, Google to get information & to educate yourself in what we have allowed to happen and who was involved in letting it happen. (Thieving Politicians)! Someone should go to jail, a real (PRISON) for letting this catastrophe happen. It should be a Federal Prison and not a freaking political country club!! Put them in jail cells with murders, rapist, child molesters & terrorist we now house in prison?? This includes all, I mean all involved in this catastrophe, (Engineers, Executives, Inspectors, especially crooked politicians on the take, right on up to the top man / woman no matter their level)!! One life has already been sacrificed because of this disaster, our country nearly losing all its ecological coastal line is too much of a cost for us all to lose without someone not paying through the toughest justice!!! Watch this one though!! This will be like letting the fox take care of the chickens when brought to court if that happens!! (Also, we as tax payers will probably have to pay the defense lawyers for them if ever brought to trial, sucks doesn’t it?) Don’t forget the (Gov’t) inspectors of these drilling rigs also whom must have lots of $$$ in their private bank acct’s and who know what other free perks they were given to look the other way. To all those sleeping in bed with these greedy &%$#@ oil bearing drilling company executives and crooked politicians, all these people all deserve the worst that can happen to them. I am sure hard working designing engineers have tried to make fail safe measure for a situation like this before drilling for oil in the fist place but also bet these (Expensive Safe Guards) were not considered as nothing this serous ever happened in the past, so why worry now?!?! Can you imagine if these nuclear plants that surround our country & entire world did not have safety measures what would happen to us very soon. Remember the age of these power plants? Remember Chernobyl?? Remember where the Nuclear waste is buried?? (I bet you do not know this answer). This catastrophe also may happen very soon, I hope I am not around to see our country or my future family be destroyed because of bureaucratic BS that has been allowed by these long term political thieves. This Nuclear catastrophe will probably be caused by human mismanagement of the waste & the many millions of dollars paid under the table to high level persons responsible for the handling of this waste and by products to be mishandled etc. Your right, I don’t trust any of them any longer. Poor Anderson Cooper can’t investigate them all for us!! I do not feel any better with this post, but I hope there will be room in you for clear thinking about a few things mentioned here and that perhaps we have allowed the wrong people too much control of our lives and those of our children in the future. The only think I will only apologize to everyone for in this post is the length of it. If I was more educated I could of shortened up much of it but then it probably been worded in such a way that my true concerns would be covered up with educated BS like a politician. Thank you for reading this post if you did. Go on the internet and educate yourself on the net. This internet privilege is still out of the control of the gov’t, (at this time anyhow). Take back our rights, if we need oil drilled, it can be done here in our own country, (on Land) and there is enough oil here in the US for us for hundreds of years we have been told. Let’s stop the controls of who ever prevents us from drilling & using oil in our own country. This information can be found by researching on the net, let’s start drilling using our own United States oil companies with controls and safety prevention processes. I hope this oil spill in the Gulf floats all over to England in due time, there should be some shame here, with BP Management and our politicians that have let it happen and continue to do so. Gary (Message edited by Garylee on July 13, 2010) | ||
| Sean Welsh (Sean)
Registered Member Username: Sean Post Number: 1116 Registered: 1-2003 Posted From: 96.35.250.34  Rating: N/A |
Hmm. (Message edited by Sean on July 13, 2010) | ||
| Kyle Brandt (Kyle4501)
Registered Member Username: Kyle4501 Post Number: 587 Registered: 9-2004 Posted From: 65.23.106.193  Rating: N/A |
follow the money | ||
| steve wardwell (Steve_wardwell)
Registered Member Username: Steve_wardwell Post Number: 46 Registered: 2-2010 Posted From: 75.201.207.232  Rating: N/A |
whoa baby,great rant. | ||
| Jim Wallin (Powderseeker01)
Registered Member Username: Powderseeker01 Post Number: 82 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 76.76.66.103  Rating: |
Hate to burst your bubble, but the things wrong with our country are NOT administration or party specific, but are directly related to special interests and greed. Political parties, banks, insurance companies and big business are all focused on growing their wealth and supressing yours. The present situation is not sustainable, and history provides many examples of how these things usually turn out. Unfortunately, divisiveness such as this is one of the precursors, and we've never been too good at learning from history. | ||
| Dave Walker (Chrome_dome)
Registered Member Username: Chrome_dome Post Number: 53 Registered: 3-2010 Posted From: 67.174.144.159  Rating: N/A |
Jim you are so correct, also when something big like this is getting so much attention what is really trying to be done behind our backs? Keep a watchful eye Folks. | ||
| Kyle Brandt (Kyle4501)
Registered Member Username: Kyle4501 Post Number: 588 Registered: 9-2004 Posted From: 72.147.51.243 Rating: N/A |
Dave, excellent point. We need to look at the 'news' as we would watch a magic show - Watch what is actually hapening, not just what they are showing us. No telling what is going on off stage . . . It is way more complex than a simple blame game. . . The only thing saving us from our government is it's inefficiency. | ||
| Larry Nelson (Larryn4106)
Registered Member Username: Larryn4106 Post Number: 60 Registered: 8-2008 Posted From: 173.30.186.230 Rating: N/A |
sorry, but I stopped reading at the first mention of cnn and anderson cooper..... no offense of course....just MY feelings | ||
| John Lacey (Junkman42)
Registered Member Username: Junkman42 Post Number: 126 Registered: 3-2007 Posted From: 66.243.229.158  Rating: N/A |
I am with You Larry! With all due respect! John L | ||
| Dave Walker (Chrome_dome)
Registered Member Username: Chrome_dome Post Number: 55 Registered: 3-2010 Posted From: 67.174.144.159 Rating: N/A |
Kyle, No What I am saying is don't watch the news cnn or the rest. Go have fun and drive your Buses but keep your eyes opened. Because what you see on the surface is not always what is actually going on. It only appears that way. We all need a little less news and a little more real life eh. Instead of what they all want you to believe? Dave Dave | ||
| Kyle Brandt (Kyle4501)
Registered Member Username: Kyle4501 Post Number: 589 Registered: 9-2004 Posted From: 65.23.106.193 Rating: N/A |
Dave, we are on the same track, I don't seek out magic shows or the news, but if I find myself in the audience of either, I treat them the same - with skepticism. I know & understand all news outlets are merely a means of selling advertising slots. The 'news' is modified to fit the advertising. It is also designed to inflame our emotions so we will stick around to hear more - and watch the commercials. Ex: A fellow shot himself in a car dealership showroom because he didn't like the service after the sale. The news papers buried it in a short paragraph in the middle of the 2nd or 3rd section. Some dude do the same thing in a restaurant & it gets front page. Some dude wrecks his Maserati & kills someone & we all hear about it for months. A dealership owner wrecks a new Challenger while traveling over 120 mph in a neighborhood & dies, yet the wreck wasn't mentioned in the papers & the TV news reported the wreck & his death as two separate stories & didn't connect them. The car dealers pay the most to the local papers for advertising, so this shouldn't surprise anyone. National news outlets have biases too. As for somebody needing to go to jail for the gulf fiasco - Generally, it takes a committee to foul up this big. | ||
| Larry Nelson (Larryn4106)
Registered Member Username: Larryn4106 Post Number: 61 Registered: 8-2008 Posted From: 173.30.186.230 Rating: N/A |
If everyone who "let it all hang out", or "pushed the envelope", etc....were "put in jail" at every misshap, we would not be talking about this at all, we would be talking about how to get more miles per bucket of oats for our faithfull horses. I don't like this anymore than anyone else, but that is the price of high tech progress. What if, after all the dust is settled, that we find out that one of the dead workers caused the accident, and NOT his "greedy employer"? When three astronauts died in the Apollo fire (Grissom, White, Chaffee)....I don't think the president at that time sent a bunch of lawyers in to solve the technical glitch that compounded that tragedy. | ||
| John & Barb Tesser (Bigrigger)
Registered Member Username: Bigrigger Post Number: 430 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 96.42.5.35  Rating: N/A |
Sorry Larry, but I really don't see the correlation between the disaster of Biblical proportions we are facing in the Gulf and the deaths of the three astronauts. We are faced with what has become a life altering event for tens of thousands of people. It requires the full and undivided attention of everyone who has means at their disposal to assist in mitigating the long term effects of this disaster. I am with the folks who felt the response to Katrina was weak and ineffectual and I believe the same can be said of this adminsitrations response to the Gulf crisis. John | ||
| Mark Renner (Boomer)
Registered Member Username: Boomer Post Number: 220 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 206.58.200.38  Rating: N/A |
NOBUMMA! | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 110 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 69.171.160.180  Rating: N/A |
Gary I understand and sympathize. Jim Wallen, your astute & concise observation needs no cheerleading from me. My own feelings were crystalized a long time ago when I stumbled across this in a book that was covered in dust when I took it off the shelf, but now finds regular usage. "We wrestle NOT against against flesh & blood but against wickedness in high places." Ephesians 6:12 You , me, & this whole ball of mystery belongs to the O.E.M. The O.E.M. made it, put us on it and takes us from it, all for good reason. Our job is to observe, learn & do the best we can with the resources we have available and we ALL are enabled to different degrees, which is why, collectively we can overcome the ills that beset us. The BIG picture is always a distraction from that which can be done on the individual basis, we WANT to affect change but can we? Especially when we are force fed nothing but the BIG NEWS, the most sensational news. That feeling of obligation you have is MOST commendable, even admirable & plenty of us are instilled with it and by it, we ALL want positive change, it shouldn't be that hard to accomplish. The things that prevent " a better day" are greed, deception, corruption, desire for power & irresponsibility....& the lack of education. IF we can just eliminate those behaviors from the list of acceptable or desirable behaviors we'll have a much smoother running planet..... unfortunately there aren't enough bullets or time. Long ago I adopted a position, This orb is akin to a large apartment complex where we are forced to live life. The BEST thing I can do is keep my part of it in order & functioning as best I can, the rest is up to those who are responsible for their "corner" of it. I may not like or approve of they way they do or don't do it, but they are NOT my responsibility. My life and how it impacts others IS my responsibility.... and I try to stay focused on the change for the better that I have the ability to affect.... This is not MY world, these are not MY people & they are not MY responsibility...... so I have to let go of them & concentrate on the the items that I have control over & find solace & satisfaction there. I arrived here unexpectedly with nothing, I learned how to live life thru observation, trial & error & experience & I learned how to NOT life life the exact same way, When the O.E.M. recalls me I'll be taking all that I have accumulated (between my ears) with me, IT is the "interest" that that will be paid for the "loan" of a life in the classroom called LIFE. ....and that is ALL I am responsible for IN this life. ....and yes it still whizzes me off to see the whole deal crumbling around me but I cannot let it distract me from my real "job".... to accumulate knowledge, live my life to the best of my abilities and to share that which I have with those who have less & NEED more. Wasting words wishing that the people of Great Britain suffer is not the best use of ANYONES ability... it's just a reaction to a frustrating situation..... I mean, apply that expression of yours to the situation that occurred in Prince William Sound in Alaska.... that's not what you or anybody REALLY wants is it? OR just maybe it's what's happening now in the Gulf...right? EXPECTING people to perform at ANY level is a mistake because they ARE people and people a prone to make MISTAKES every second of every day..... and people, like water flowing, always take the easy path. When one lives by expectation one sets themselves up for failure, because expectations are nothing but WISHES with a long name. Expect NOTHING and trust NO heroes, of your own or anyone else's. Doing so eliminates a whole lot of stress & disappointment along the road of life AND it leaves you with a clearer perspective & more time to function better or enjoy life. Stay focused on those things you CAN control and let the rest of it go. ....and that is my 2 cent contribution of wisdom. (crickets chirping here)) | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 163 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 72.153.247.215  Rating: |
If there is a (change) coming as was predicted by many enlightened seer's of different religions and cultures. I pray that out of it emerges a more evolved human race. Something along the lines of our most recent prophet's vision John Lennon when he wrote the song that moved the world,...IMAGINE | ||
| steve wardwell (Steve_wardwell)
Registered Member Username: Steve_wardwell Post Number: 48 Registered: 2-2010 Posted From: 75.200.150.78 Rating: N/A |
right on George, "Imagine peace" is the name across the front and rear of our bus. I'm down with you! | ||
| Larry Nelson (Larryn4106)
Registered Member Username: Larryn4106 Post Number: 62 Registered: 8-2008 Posted From: 173.30.186.230 Rating: |
entire reply deleted in order to promote "peace"... | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 164 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 72.153.247.215 Rating: N/A |
Steve I was going to do the same on mine. I am glad you are out there planting that seed as you roll. Gary your post may not sit well with some due to political divisions, but I hope all can see the nature of your heart, what is happening in our world should move many more to the point of tears. apathy is true evil. | ||
| Larry Nelson (Larryn4106)
Registered Member Username: Larryn4106 Post Number: 63 Registered: 8-2008 Posted From: 173.30.186.230 Rating: |
"apathy"...."greed"....we like to throw these words out there and it sure is fun....some will even get all fired up. for some, "action" means "put them in jail". Let's put the flight controller in jail that made an error, or the pilot that survived a fatal accident, or the 12 year old kid that mows your lawn, whose blade came loose from the mower and killed the neighbor girl, or all of the pharmaceutical companies, they are evil AND greedy. They should ALL be STOPPED!!! Those things are done.....in third world countries. As for me, I hope those that I work for remain GREEDY as their success is my success....and my economic survival. How did we, in a nation of free thinking, (used to be) self reliant folks, get to this situation? Where we look to Washington DC to bail us out of whatever mess we, as individuals, get involved in. I have CHOSEN to live at sea level or HIGHER....solves lots of problems with Mother Nature. I have CHOSEN to live NOT in an earthquake or mudslide zone. I have CHOSEN to live in tornado alley, but have commercially available protection for such a calamity. It is the responsibility of EVERY American to NOT be a burden on his fellow man. Our government is in too many issues that are not mentioned in that sacred document, the US Constitution. Sorry, but that is MY rant. | ||
| Kyle Brandt (Kyle4501)
Registered Member Username: Kyle4501 Post Number: 590 Registered: 9-2004 Posted From: 72.147.51.243 Rating: N/A |
Larry, I believe the downhill slide began then those who 'choose' to hold someone else financially responsible for their poor choices got the lawyers & jurors on their side & thus began the litigation lottery & the mindset to hold one's self blameless - regardless of who made the poor choice. You are right about personal choices - there is a reason I live in the city near the top of a hill & not on the beach or in the mountains or out in the sticks. . . . There is a reason I choose to live beneath my means & save a few $ for a rainy day, etc. . . There is a HUGE difference between entitlement & enlightenment, between a hand out & a hand up. . . | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 165 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 72.153.247.215 Rating: N/A |
Larry there is a BIG, HUGE, I would say even MONUMENTAL difference between a lawn mower accident, people foolishly living in unsafe places , so on and so forth. if the flight controller was either on drugs or was simply amusing his kid by letting him take the controls, ( this actually made the news) then yes he needs to be arrested if it causes a crash. the swan song of the 80s me generation, GREED IS GOOD is not an excuse to engage in an endeavor for profit at the cost of putting the entire planet in danger. when the constitution was written I believe that the voice of the people had sway, now I truly believe that the voice of the major corporations especially big oil is the First voice heard and maybe the voices of the people last. the US government could change the law, institute new fines or criminal charges beyond the law as it exists, but even then the British Government will protect BP because apart from last year they pay on average over $2.5 billion in direct taxes to the UK government and if you add up employment taxes, the sales taxes, fuel tax they pay from their service stations and the royalties on production they contribute over $8.7 billion annually to the UK government. Diplomatically, politically too powerful a lobby for even Obama to make an example of them. | ||
| Larry Nelson (Larryn4106)
Registered Member Username: Larryn4106 Post Number: 64 Registered: 8-2008 Posted From: 173.30.186.230 Rating: N/A |
George, BP does not pay ONE RED FARTHING in taxes to ANY country. No business pays taxes, fines, criminal penalties, etc. I won't even try to explain to you why that is. It is not my opinion, it is FACT. As was posted earlier, these discussions merely divide people because things you would never have known about someone come out. | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 166 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 72.153.247.215 Rating: N/A |
larry there is much I don't know. You are right I can only formulate an assessment from what I see which I understand is not the whole picture. I only am trying to express my frustrations with what I perceive as a really bad, I hate to think even hopeless situation. I pray I am wrong. and as far as divisions here amongst us, I don' believe it from my end. I consider you another bus nut and that is pretty cool. If you are one of the heartless bastards killing our world then a pox on you. but I know that is not the case, so I send you LOVE even if we don't see the world the same. as for how I intend to live the rest of my years, I believe the Jack Fids outline works for me. | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 167 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 72.153.247.215 Rating: N/A |
http://www.helium.com/items/1882339-doomsday-how-bp-gulf-disaster-may-have-triggered-a-wor ld-killing-event | ||
| Larry Nelson (Larryn4106)
Registered Member Username: Larryn4106 Post Number: 65 Registered: 8-2008 Posted From: 173.30.186.230 Rating: N/A |
another piece to the puzzle falls into place.... | ||
| Larry Nelson (Larryn4106)
Registered Member Username: Larryn4106 Post Number: 66 Registered: 8-2008 Posted From: 173.30.186.230 Rating: N/A |
You are right, this, like many other events in our history, is a bad deal. I will tell you this, George....I happen to have been an "outhouse" kid (so was my wife). When we got our first indoor toilet, I was, maybe 6 years old. That toilet overflowed one day, when I was in our little house and my Dad was up in the barn. I ran up there, terrified, and from my perspective...the world was over. What, possibly, could stop that toilet from drowning all humanity? You and others have sort of made out that it was a "business plan" to dump oil in the Gulf, or in Prince Williams Sound, or kill thousands in Bopal. Sorry, don't buy it for a minute. If you want to think I am "killing our world" then so be it. Technology get's us in a bind, sometimes, but it will get us out. Our governments answer to this event? Send a bunch of lawyers to the Gulf....oh yeah, and GOVERNMENT lawyers to boot. Too stupid to be in private practice. I do drive a two stroke diesel, so I am probably doing my part in ruining the world. I also find Jack Fids post to be right on the money, but I didn't read anything in that about jailing greedy people. And, I know that YOU know, that it is the CUSTOMERS of a business that pay the taxes levied against the business, likewise the fines, likewise the penalties, likewise the rents, the insurance, the utilities, etc. A business that does not have those costs built into the cost of their product will not be a business for long. Maybe that is what everyone wants. | ||
| Bill Holstein (Billmoocow)
Registered Member Username: Billmoocow Post Number: 117 Registered: 5-2009 Posted From: 71.59.162.64  Rating: N/A |
jeez. | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 1236 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 99.156.68.151  Rating: N/A |
To understand , the Gov considers ANY money that is left with the folks that earn it a "Tax Expense"". In other words they OWN 100% if your life , (and pay pay an expense,)from their ledger, when they chose to leave some small portion of your earnings with you as motivation. FF | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 168 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 72.153.247.215 Rating: N/A |
NO Larry I don't believe it was BP's plan to cause this. and no sorry I do believe that they do pay the governments huge amount's that is how that get to do what they do,and why our development of alternate energy sources is way behind other countries. and I really do hope and pray that you are right about technology saving the unnecessary calamity that we find ourselves in now due to those governed by greed having a far more powerful voice than those that would solve our same needs but with an intelligent moral conciseness that is able to discern between prudent risks or ones that can wipe us out. (toilet overflowing ) cute mental picture by the way. | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 169 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 72.153.247.215 Rating: N/A |
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/bp-shares-caught-in-the-vortex-2010-07-13 Greed hard at work | ||
| Larry Nelson (Larryn4106)
Registered Member Username: Larryn4106 Post Number: 67 Registered: 8-2008 Posted From: 173.30.186.230 Rating: N/A |
George, you need to find yourself a great third world, socialist country to try out. You won't be worrying about "greed", in any case. And I would like you to tell me where BP get's it's money to PAY those fines and penalties you and others would like to heap on them. Someone on this thread said "follow the money" and in all cases following the money ends at US, George, you and me. There are no exceptions. Our whole society is based on some brave guy or gal rubbing two nickels together to get 12 cents. YOU want to make the huge profit margins the oil companies are making? Do you KNOW what those profit margins are? Yes, this country has divided itself into the LEFT and RIGHT....and that is the truth. Who is John Galt? | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 170 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 72.144.22.70 Rating: |
Larry you are taking everything I say WAY out of context. I am not opposed to capitalism. I am opposed to corporations putting the lives of people in serious jeopardy simply because they felt they could short cut safety measures. I personally believe we could survive with out off shore oil drilling. and it is hight time we start using what is being now used in other countries for energy. so again I repeat I do not believe in mindless irresponsible profiteering at the expense of peoples lives or our planets health. so if you call having enforced safeguards on companies that can kill the planet like big oil, nuclear power, plants, and Chemical industries, socialism. than count me a socialist. I believe I am not alone. | ||
| Len Silva (Lsilva)
Registered Member Username: Lsilva Post Number: 382 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 72.187.35.208  Rating: N/A |
(Message edited by lsilva on July 16, 2010) | ||
| Len Silva (Lsilva)
Registered Member Username: Lsilva Post Number: 383 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 72.187.35.208 Rating: |
George, That's one of the biggest problems in our divided country these days. Everyone wants to see things as black and white, when what we need are carefully controlled shades of gray. Pure Socialism, if there is any such thing would be a disaster as would pure Capitalism. Very carefully controlled and regulated capitalism is the only way we can ever be successful as a nation. | ||
| steve wardwell (Steve_wardwell)
Registered Member Username: Steve_wardwell Post Number: 49 Registered: 2-2010 Posted From: 75.200.141.56 Rating: N/A |
If BP spent a reasonable amount of their profits on R&D for modern oil spill cleanup technology and thoroughly tested their supposedly safe blowout valves under real life scenarios before hand we wouldn't be in this mess. BP has relied on antiquated so called solutions to solve a modern catastrophe this is BP's failure and theirs alone. The risk comes tandem with the lucrative profit margin.BP,s greed has resulted in the fouling of the gulf states with oil sludge and the deaths of their own employees.They have the worst safety record of any major oil co. | ||
| Larry Nelson (Larryn4106)
Registered Member Username: Larryn4106 Post Number: 68 Registered: 8-2008 Posted From: 173.30.186.230 Rating: N/A |
"The risk comes tandem with the lucrative profit margin..." since George did not answer my question, why don't YOU tell us what that "lucrative" profit margin is..... | ||
| Dave Walker (Chrome_dome)
Registered Member Username: Chrome_dome Post Number: 56 Registered: 3-2010 Posted From: 67.174.144.159 Rating: |
And this is exactly why the 2 party system doesn't and never will work. For you guys as someone else said above it is black or white. If everyone would work together instead of trying to force their opins down each others throats just to be right the world would be a more peaceful place. We should all be talking about what can be done to fix this mess so; 1) it does not happen again and 2)How we can clean it up so that this area can reasonably come back to be productive. Keeping the Government out of it unless they are oil experts but to over-site with the help of "We the People's" over-site of them so they don't over step their bounds. They have forgotten they work for us and we do and will hire them or not. | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 1237 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 99.156.68.151 Rating: N/A |
The new financial regs were passed. No mention of regulating the 2 gov cancers Fanny & Freddy , but your dentist will do the same paperwork (for a time payment) as every bank ! That should really lower the cost of a set of braces for the kids. $ 550,000,000 in fines for G.S sounds like a real hit , till you realize its 6 days profit. Force and Fraud , gov as usual. FF | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 171 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 72.144.22.70 Rating: N/A |
Dave you are right, I lost focus here, thank you, this is my last post on this thread. peace to all | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 113 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 69.171.160.227 Rating: N/A |
Dave...when you said, "Keeping the Government out of it unless they are oil experts" It hit a note with me. There are so many people in the is country who ASSUME that if they can formulate an opinion that it automatically has validity... and as much validity as any other opinion. Likewise there is a group who thinks that because they have the right to vote & do that they are experts in politics & ideology . And then consider the fact that if either of our 2 political parties ever folded, the remaining party would have to deal with a whole new adversary, instead of the familiar & accommodating one they have now..... remember... the players switch parties now like they do clothes with little or no compunction. Nobody wants to be an "expert citizen" anymore, we all have higher aspirations ever since the news media became 24/7 force feeders of tripe sold as news. This countries problems are not of the "either one or the other" or "black & white" variety... nor are the solutions for solving the problems. AMERICA is nothing more than a DEMOCRACY EXPERIMENT in progress, that is why the rest of the world continues to watch us & emulate our successes, we figure out solutions & implement them instead of going to war over them (at least since 1865). Democracy has many enemies both outside and within and it will ALWAYS be a work in progress... the job will never be "finished" because DEMOCRACY means at it's core, the desire & ability of citizens to change with the times collectively for the betterment of ALL concerned. Our corner of this world is a wonderful creation of people with a better idea for humanity.... suddenly we have lost sight of this because of ideology, infighting & distraction and the rate of intolerance grows because of it every day ....sadly so & completely unnecessary, & it is WILLFUL! There are just too many people wanting to be "Chiefs" or "experts" who assume that they are absolutely correct, sadly they want us to believe their extreme volume equals their correctness..... I learned long ago that Screaming Clowns are for entertainment purposes only. .....and George... you just have to let the "rain" slide off your back. People who attack do so out of fear & potential loss, they are afraid of something the MIGHT happen just like those who run from attack, neither holds the deed to the high ground because there is NO "high ground" just the level playing field established by the Constitution and the holes left in it by those whose "ideals" are of the lowest common denominators. . . . . | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 114 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 69.171.160.227 Rating: N/A |
FAST FRED.... I could not agree with your statement more and not be YOU! I have a proposal...... If ANY Civil Servant, from School Board Secretary to PotU.S. is caught profiting or benefiting themselves or others by their actions while serving the People of this country, upon a guilty verdict being rendered, said party(s) shall be stripped of their citizenship AND deported OR deposited outside the borders of this great nation PERMANENTLY minus all of their possessions save for the clothes on their backs. I think it would only take a year or less before we, the people, would see a completely different situation in the governance of this country & the way those elected would act. ELECTED officials need to KNOW that they will be held to a higher standard than the rest of the citizens because of the TRUST we place in them when we elect them & that the justice served will be swift & painfully PERMANENT! The ancient Greeks IMPEACHED every elected person before they left office to INSURE responsibility to the Nation.... we haven't risen to that level yet & until we do corruption & deceit will only increase proportional to the population & it's aversion to hold elected officials accountable. | ||
| Dave Walker (Chrome_dome)
Registered Member Username: Chrome_dome Post Number: 57 Registered: 3-2010 Posted From: 67.174.144.159 Rating: N/A |
Jack; Here Here, Nicely put. My only problem as many other today state that we are a Democracy and that is incorrect. We are a Republic not a Democracy. Most Democracy over the years have failed do to most representatives in them steal from the til, until the Til was empty! "DEMOCRACY EXPERIMENT in progress" | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 116 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 69.171.160.227 Rating: N/A |
My bad & I agree.... except for one small error you DUE the same thing I Due... we both mistakenly use DO instead of DUE DOH! (or DOUGH as the case may dictate!) (Message edited by Jack_fids on July 17, 2010) | ||
| Dave Walker (Chrome_dome)
Registered Member Username: Chrome_dome Post Number: 58 Registered: 3-2010 Posted From: 67.174.144.159 Rating: N/A |
Ah yes, Thank You! I would say I stand Corrected, but alas I am hot and sitting, DUE to a 101 degree day!!!... Lol | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 117 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 69.171.160.227 Rating: N/A |
..it's the do's & dues you have to pay for living a fantasy life! and it was as much a public admittance as is was a correction, watching my "do's & your's" & "dues & you're's" if a full time occupation. Even tho they tore down 2 schoolhouses after I left, I still try to prove they were liars! | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 1238 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 99.156.68.151 Rating: N/A |
I am opposed to corporations putting the lives of people in serious jeopardy simply because they felt they could short cut safety measures. Corperations are ONLY able to do this because of gov agencies like MMP. Our old English common law leave the folks responsible for the harm to make up for the harm. BUT , When a co can say "I took no personal risk , the Gov said I could do it", there off the hook. This is why cars , aircraft , everything goes for a gov "regulation" , its a get out of jail free card. FF | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 1167 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 74.162.79.161  Rating: N/A |
Oh holy &%^#. Re: "I felt I could sure train in a hurry with on the job training; I am not totally stupid as they may think we all are!! " Yeah, sure. And how many do you suppose will try to sue the government for not making sure they were safe handling the oil covered debris? There was outrage because this President didn't talk to the BP CEO, and instead got his facts from those at the scene. Later, we saw how the BP CEO knew absolutely nothing, except how to lie. Then there was outrage because this President didn't accept the ships offered by foreign countries..... Later we learned that those ships were not needed, that we already had plenty of ships on hand. Then there was outrage because the beams and skimmers were not out in full force..... Later we found out that the oil plumes 20-30' under the surface would not have been touched by the skimmers and booms, and the gulf turbulence was causing the surface oil to slide over the top anyway. Then there was outrage that the use of dispersants were being challenged by environmentalists and government health agencies..... and now, we're learning that the dispersants were used in excess, and are going to cause serious ramifications for decades to come. There was outrage that a cap wasn't in place to immediately stop the flow, but we know now, that stopping the flow without checking to see if it will cause the entire well to blow-out, is most important. Outrage away.... It's a complex problem that isn't solved by rushing into action. And those that make it seem like this President is some sort of an incompetent idiot, really ought to do some research regarding this entire mess. The last thing we need, is unprepared individuals handling chemical coated debris without proper training and equipment. Especially in light of the news that the small percentage of animals saved, usually will die within 6 months after release anyway. Get a grip. Jeeeeezus. | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 1168 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 74.162.79.161 Rating: |
One more: AP IMPACT: Gulf Awash in 27, 000 Abandoned Wells Excerpts: "Wells are abandoned temporarily for a variety of reasons. The company may be re-evaluating a well's potential or developing a plan to overcome a drilling problem or damage from a storm. Some owners temporarily abandon wells to await a rise in oil prices. " "As a forceful reminder of the potential harm, the well beneath BP's Deepwater Horizon rig was being sealed with cement for temporary abandonment when it blew April 20, leading to one of the worst environmental disasters in the nation's history. BP alone has abandoned about 600 wells in the Gulf, according to government data. " Full report: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/07/07/us/AP-US-Gulf-Oil-Spill-Abandoned-Wells.html?_r =1&ref=news&pagewanted=all All oil is sold on the World Market; drilling on our soil does not give us more oil, or "cheaper oil". We do not have reserves to fill our needs, period. All the drilling and producing here in the USA will not provide what we use daily. You don't reduce our dependancy on oil by having a larger supply, you reduce it by using less. . | ||
| Kyle Brandt (Kyle4501)
Registered Member Username: Kyle4501 Post Number: 591 Registered: 9-2004 Posted From: 65.23.106.193 Rating: N/A |
RE: "You don't reduce our dependency on oil by having a larger supply, you reduce it by using less. " That is the old American way & it requires personal sacrifice & inconvenience . . . . It seems the new American way is to find someone else to blame - & then sue them to play the litigation lottery. Personally, I'd like to see more people accepting personal responsibility to fix problems rather than lynch mobs looking for someone to blame. Sure, we need to know & understand what happened, but the focus should be on how we can benefit from the event & preventing future problems - NOT just how to punish those blamed. . . . That is what "the greatest generation" did. . . . | ||
| Gary LaBombard (Garylee)
Registered Member Username: Garylee Post Number: 236 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 64.12.116.203 Rating: N/A |
John MC9, Don't hold back man, let it all go inside you. Someday there may be something menaningful to you to forget about suing someone, or laying back becuase you do not believe there is other sources the US has available for Oil and anything we use or need. Someday there may be something happing important in your life that you would sacrifice anything to stand up for. When one person takes his life that I know of because of a personal inner beliefs his or her life is over I will do all I can to prevent another person to consider such action. This mess is not over by any means, even you john will feel the pain one day not too far from now. We all will. I just have felt the pain of thinking of othes in this catastrophic area sooner as I really care about this mess happening to them. I am not a doctor and have not had any training for CPR but I would do all I have to in order to save someone's life at all expense to me LEGALLY ahead of me after as I am not stupid as I stated previously. Who knows,someone without proper training may save yours or someone close to you and put your life back in perspective as far as I am concerned. My venting at the begining of this post was because I ledgitimately wanted to do all I could at any cost, (To Me Personally or Healthwise as well) as that is the kind of person I am. I still stand behind that desire and as I said am ready to leave anytime to save animals etc. or anything even with a life span of 6 months. I don't mean to keep this going as it seems it will be stopped very soon, but your arrogance against what I personally am willing to sacrafice no matter what the training I have or need to have to be helpfull in any situation is not that of any person I want to spar with here any longer. I will not stop wanting to be helpful,useful & willing to give all I have to help out others till I no longer breath. Not even with the threat of being sued or any freaking thing!! I am done with this Oil Sill Post for good now, I can see where it is headed as everyone can, truly not what I intended. Anyone knowing me knows I get truly disturbed by anyone being negative against what I believe in my HEART to be right no matter what the legalatiy of it is. You have to live with it if you disagree with me, I won't ever change the person I am nor do I want to and there is no sacrafice that can be done to me personally that will change that. Personal sacrafice to my family is a different consideration I will do, but not any sacrafice to just me personally. Sorry buddy. Gary | ||
| Kyle Brandt (Kyle4501)
Registered Member Username: Kyle4501 Post Number: 592 Registered: 9-2004 Posted From: 65.23.106.193 Rating: N/A |
There ought to be a way one can go provide help to 'the little guy'. Look past the sensationalized news madia - look past the gloom & doom. Look at community centers, food pantrys, & soup kitchens. You won't need specialized training to help there. Visit the homless shelters to see if there are areas needing your help. Churches in the affected areas will know individual families who have un-met needs that you can assist with. Maybe we should all be looking at this on a people to people level instead of us vs. them -or- good vs. evil. You will find what you seek, so lets look for sucess & friendships!  | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 1169 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 74.162.79.161 Rating: N/A |
Gary - It's great that you want to help, and I certainly wasn't putting you down for your desires to do whatever you can to help those in need...... The fact that your help was denied at the time, was due to the hazardous nature of the work, not simply to cast aside your willingness to help. There were thousands upon thousands calling and showing up, all willing to help - but help with what? Some of those that were involved, were wearing hazmat suits. Special areas were designated off-limits due to the hazardous fumes, and there weren't enough supervisors to oversee the area. A few years ago in Florida (I'm on the Space Coast), the cold weather caused hatching turtles to crawl back to their nests, instead of to the Ocean. A large group formed, and buckets were handed out to each of the volunteers (I was one). We picked up as many baby turtles as we could, and tossed them as far out into the Ocean as we could. We spent hours doing that, and it must have been thousands of baby turtles. An environmental agent on an ATV drove by using a loudspeaker, and instructed everyone to put down the pails and go home. The water was too cold for the baby turtles to survive; that was the reason they were headed back to shore. We were killing the turtles by throwing them into the Ocean, and that was duly noted by the thousands of dead turtles washing back with the tide. The Oil blowout was and is a major catastrophe, and help will be needed for decades. Getting riled up over being turned away doesn't become you, man. Your help is still needed, and once things get better organized, I'm sure they'll find a spot for you. And as far as the birds...... We've taken care of wild animals of all sorts through the years. We rescued Raccoons that were misidentified as rabid, had skunk families living on our porch in boxes I made for shelter from the New England winter storms.... I won't bore you... The fact that only a small number of rescued oiled birds manage to live beyond six months after release, was news to me also. But it's fact, and although I try my best to save a life, I can fully understand why they feel it's not worth placing a human in a hazardous area, when what they're doing will essentially be in vain. A human life for the sake of a six month life extension for a bird, is a tough call. If what I typed insulted you, I apologize for not typing it better; it wasn't intended to insult anyone. John | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 1171 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 74.162.79.161 Rating: N/A |
Worth a read: Messy Cleanup of BP Oil Spill Damages the Gulf . | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 181 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 72.144.22.70 Rating: N/A |
MARKETWATCH FIRST TAKE July 27, 2010, 3:30 p.m. EDT · Recommend (2) · Post: Hayward's parting shot Commentary: Turning to the IRS to shelter shareholders View all MarketWatch First Take › ‹ Previous Column Possible Dow Theory buy signal at Monday's close First Take › Tony Hayward's parting shot STORYQUOTESCOMMENTS SCREENER (154) AlertEmailPrintShare By MarketWatch SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- As BP chief Tony Hayward prepares to tackle new challenges in Russia, he's hit on a way to choke off some of the cost of that pesky Gulf oil spill. For BP shareholders, it's pure genius. Here's how it works: Citing the $32 billion charge BP (BP 37.67, -0.33, -0.87%) is taking to cover the cost of the spill and the $17 billion second-quarter loss this caused the company, BP is entitled to a $9.9 billion tax credit. That's nearly half of the $20 billion Hayward agreed to set aside to cover the job when he met last month with President Barack Obama. Read about BP's tax credit. And, because it's part of the nation's corporate tax code, it's perfectly legal. Hayward, fielding questions Tuesday about BP's second-quarter results, wasn't terribly eager to discuss the move. But he reassured everyone that it follows "current" IRS regulations. In other words, this will save BP nearly $10 billion that Washington had probably been counting on to help clean up the Gulf. American taxpayers are likely to take a darker view of this development than BP shareholders. Despite President Barack Obama vowing to make BP pay for this mess, it suddenly looks like a big chunk of the cost will be coming out of their pockets after all. Of course this might just be a temporary state of affairs. Once Washington lawmakers catch wind of a populist backlash, you can bet there will be calls to change the law. That's where things get really interesting. Remember when Hayward was on the hot seat in June, testifying before a mostly hostile gang of U.S. legislators? One of them really stood out. Representative Joe Barton of Texas took it upon himself to apologize to Hayward for what he called Obama's $20 billion "shakedown" of the oil company. He later apologized for the apology, but his initial message stuck. A month later, BP appears to be the one doing the shaking down, using a good old-fashioned American corporate tax loophole. If lawmakers close that loophole, it would set a dire precedent for other companies counting on tax breaks to survive their own financial setbacks. Citigroup (C 4.14, -0.02, -0.46%) alone has built up $21 billion in deferred tax assets due to losses from the financial crisis. No matter how this shakes out, Washington looks like it got caught flat-footed. And with nothing left to lose in the arena of public opinion, Tony Hayward suddenly doesn't look so clueless after all. -- Jim Jelter | ||
| Kyle Brandt (Kyle4501)
Registered Member Username: Kyle4501 Post Number: 596 Registered: 9-2004 Posted From: 65.23.106.193 Rating: N/A |
RE: "will save BP nearly $10 billion that Washington had probably been counting on to help clean up the Gulf." What? Just who do you think wrote those loopholes in the first place? Big business always passes the cost of operating to the end consumer. Always has, always will. Any decent economist will tell you it is always the end consumer that pays all bills, fees, fines, & taxes levied against a company. Because, that is where the money comes from, the people buying their stuff. No one should be surprised or appaled that BP is doing this, it would be financially stupid to not use the tax credit. What should anger us it that the gubbermint made the laws to allow & encourage it. | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 183 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 72.144.22.70 Rating: N/A |
Kyle it just simply SUCKS way to much. and it seems that the only real power that we have is simply stop using so much of their poison. here is a bit of hope http://www.aptera.com/ .. | ||
| Kyle Brandt (Kyle4501)
Registered Member Username: Kyle4501 Post Number: 598 Registered: 9-2004 Posted From: 65.23.106.193 Rating: N/A |
OR, We could put forth a little more effort to KNOW who we are voting for. We could also demand better reporting from the news media . . . The problem with that is it would require the masses to think . . . & by now you should have realized that most would rather fight or die than think for themselves. As long as the masses are buying what they're selling, nothing will change much.  | ||
| Paul Lawry (Dreamscape)
Registered Member Username: Dreamscape Post Number: 672 Registered: 5-2007 Posted From: 64.40.215.163  Rating: N/A |
Hey Gary, Maybe they will let you help now that a little time has passed. Give it a shot and good luck my friend! I admire any person who stands behind what they believe and follows through. Paul |
