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| drivingmisslazy (24.196.191.70)
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I@n, it appears that your new brainchild has had an underwhelming rate of acceptance, based on the few posts to it. For one, I truly miss all the unusual and other type of finds that some of the group dig out. I really do not know where they find the time to do it, but I really miss it. How about you others, Did I@n make a mistake, and if so, is he big enough to admit it? Richard | ||
| CoryDaneRTSIIIL (4.17.253.33) Rating: N/A |
WOW, what a thing to say. First, NO MISTAKE! Remember, it was not IAN that pushed the removal of EBAY messages, it was the users that get EMails of new messages that did not want to HEAR about any EBAY finds Second, HIS BRAINCHILD, yes, it was a solution to a problem to try to appease both sides of the opinion pole. And when you think of it, it really was not a bad fix for it did correct what the users wanted. Third, YOUR MESSAGE seems to contain a bit of negativity pertianing the solution to that board. The reasons that the activity may have subsided could be of many, including less interest of or less items of the EBay lineup. I think it is incredibly bold of you to ask if IAN made a mistake at all AND if HE is big enough to admit making a mistake. Fourth, ITS HIS BOARD and even if it were poorly run, which is certainly is not, he could still do as he wished without the opinion of the users, like the OTHER board does. IN IANS case, he always asks for opions befor making mods. Perhaps you owe IAN an Apology for your short sitedness. "Imagine Your Dreams" cd | ||
| jmaxwell (66.42.92.1) Rating: N/A |
I'll second that. It is afterall, Ian's Board, and I think that should be foremost in anyone's mind. If u don't like his operation, don't avail yourself of it. I don't like Sears and therefore don't go there. I don't go complaining to them, I just don't go there. And, I am among the group that would just as soon not be bothered by the so-called treasures of E-bay. If I want to see what is on e-bay, I go there and find out 1st hand, or 2nd hand which is the usual fare of e-bay. | ||
| R.C.Bishop (128.123.221.227)
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Whoa, Richard.........WAY out of line, far as I'm concerned. Maybe WE just don't recognize a good thing when it stands before us. I monitor that board and note that you have not been a contributor....nor have I, but that doesn't make it a mistake. Kinda like getting used to a pair of new shoes.....takes some time, often.  Keep the faith...once we ALL learn how to use it, it could be a great tool. RCB | ||
| ED-NJ (67.85.224.113) Rating: N/A |
I don't think it's "underwhelming", I think the problem is somebody needs to take the helm and start posting. It seems like nobody wants to be the first. If I could sit here all day and pick out bus-related articles on e-bay and post them here, I would. Look at "the places we stay" board. There's 79 posts, you mean to tell me that with all the busnuts out there, we've only visited 79 campgrounds? No one is taking the time to post. Give it a chance and see if the new board catches on. | ||
| John (150.199.209.42) Rating: N/A |
In support of the new ebay board I posted a few items just to help get it started. What have you done? The way I see it is this; those that complained are too lazy to pass on something for others, they want it all delivered to them on a silver platter. If you want a bargin from ebay, go search ebay, I go there once or twice each day, I have gotten many bargins there, if I told you about them you would more than likely run-up my bid, then I wouldn't get bargins. As a webmaster myself I understand the time and effort Ian put forth to accomidate those wanting ebay bargins without effort, now they cannot even take the time to click on the ebay bargin board, or contribute there. You demanded it, now make it work, go search for some ebay bargins and post them. Just goes to show that if you give them an inch they demand a foot! No, I'm not POed at you, or anyone else that wanted ebay items, I even tried to help get the board going for you. What gets to me is those that have no give-and-take in their lives, they want it all their way or they whine about it, forget what others want, I deemand it my way. Well I for one do not want ebay items on this part of the board, there's now a place for them, go there. | ||
| califbob (165.247.227.132) Rating: N/A |
It's hard for me to believe that any one could complin about Ians hard work. Takes all kinds! | ||
| Gary Stadler (Boogiethecat) (68.7.217.217)
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I still think it would be a success if it were listed below this section as is the flea market and the places we go/stay. To make it a totally separate place makes it isolated and what usually happens with that kind of isolation is exactly what has happened.... no one posts there because no one goes there because no one posts there because..... It was a very good idea and a good try, and I commend Ian for giving it his best, but even though it was in the best of spirit, it just hasn't worked. And people have still posted a few ebay items here anyway... I have no real solution other than perhaps trying it as a section of this board...these are just my observations and my 2ç worth... BTW, I'll tell you after the fact, I just nabbed a cool thing called a "Video Mirror" made by Colorado Video from "the place-that-cannot-be-mentioned"... a little electronic box that electronically reverses my backup camera image so it reads correctly on my non-reversable LCD monitor. Cool box although it's $1400 retail (I got it for $49!!!) Anyone interested in one of these should search "the place-that-cannot-be-mentioned" frequently, because they do show up there from time to time. Too bad the hundreds of "lurkers" on this board forced the "tipsters" from tipping us "doers" to great things.... Cheers Gary | ||
| jmaxwell (66.42.92.12) Rating: N/A |
And for an xtra $5.00 u could have bought a reversing image LCD monitor on that un-mentionable board. Looks like u only lost $44.00 on your $1400 dealy box. | ||
| Don KS/TX (65.150.145.224)
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I echo your feelings exactly Gary. Personally I find the "auction haters" a puzzling breed, having built a beautiful bus with LOTS of auction stuff in it. I find often that realizing something is for sale brand new for say $49, that they paid $1400 for is more than they can take, and they do not want to be reminded daily of their mistake or waste or to let others know of it either. I am also aware currently that "they" appear to outnumber "us", so we will just have to happily stay puzzled by the strange behavior, and admire Ian for doing the "right" thing by the majority. I still wonder if a real vote were taken, if "they" really do outnumber "us". | ||
| CoryDaneRTSIIIL (4.17.253.94) Rating: N/A |
I am not sure if the "auction haters" really hate the auction, or if they just have that mentality that they dont want to see advertising "well sort of" hitting them like POP UPS on the BBS. I am not even sure they outnumber us as users but they are on THE LIST that sends new posts as email, and being so, I guess they are counted more important that those that just come in and read the posts. I didnt see anything wrong with the posts on the BBS, there werent that many, just a period of time when they were coming in and being posted, but some found this "IMPROPER" and had complained, thus the EBAY board. I must admit, I havent seen the board because Idont know how to find it, but then though I looked at the posts as interesting things to see, my interests stopped there. I must look at these boards differently from others. I come from a work place where the management is overpowering and overdemanding and in many cases insulting so I have come used to not being able to make opinions or try for change. To give IAN credit, He did ask for opinions before he modified the board to its present state, thumbs up IAN for trying to treat us fairly. Actually, I cannot fault IAN in any way that he has run his board for us, and if you think about it, I dont think you can either. We all use this board for ideas and help on a bus conversion and many, many, many other topics and it takes all kinds to make up a user base, as you have noticed with some of the resulting arguments which occasionally occur. These types of "disagreements" have come up, are coming up, and will continue to come up as the users bring in their messages. The board will evolve as needed as time goes on, shall we all move on with our conversions and enjoy each others company at the campsites of America? I think so. I have to tell you, the completion of my conversion has been close to bust a couple of times due to different elements, thankfully, it has only been slowed down. The focus has always been to complete the conversion and still is. IANS board is a helpful message base and info center that has and will help me along the way. These discussion of EBAY and IAN making a mistake(REDICULOUS) are a null point and just a passing of time in life. To be blunt, WE ARE ONLY HERE ON EARTH A SHORT TIME, it would be to our benefit to get along and get the conversions done and enjoy life tothe fullest and stop with the controverseys and arguments. There is too much world to see to be wasting time pounding on a keyboard in anger. My Dime "Imagine Your Dreams" cd | ||
| Scott Whitney (66.82.9.47) Rating: N/A |
True, Ian administors this board and pays the hosting costs - for that we owe him much gratitude. But to say it is "Ian's board" might not be as accurate as saying that it is the heart and soul of the users who participate on this board who really encompass what it is. Without the active users, a board is just a ghost town of empty threads. And if 95% of the users, only read (lurk) and never post, that is fine too, as long as there is enough critical mass to keep the topics lively enough to be of interest to anyone. I said it before, but I'll reiterate: I never minded the occasional eBay links of items of interest. I think that isolating eBay postings to a totally separate board will defeat (and has) the purpose, because a board dedicated to just eBay postings will never reach critial mass. Therefore it ends up in a perpetual cycle of not enough posts, so nobody bothers to read it, so not worth posting causing nobody is reading and so on. . . My preference would be to have eBay links as a separate main topic heading (like Places We Stay) of this board and not a whole separate board. That way I can still come here once or twice a day, click "last day" and see all the bus chatter from the recent day - inlcuding eBay items. As it is now, by the time I remember to go look at the eBay board (which I had completely forgotton about until reading this thread) all the items of interest are probably already closed auctions. However, if Ian chooses to keep the eBay board live, might be nice if there were some cross links to it in several places from this board. I had to search high and low to find the link the first time. Then I bookmarked it so I could get back to it again otherwise I never would gone back. Scott P.S. I am also a web developer and know the difficulties in creating good human interfaces and Web sites and message boards that work. | ||
| Ed W (63.210.228.118)
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I would agree that the board is a great service. I myself do not make a lot of comments on the board but do sometimes email the writers. At times it appears to myself that a lot of time and space is taken up by just the complaining and the comments that are of no help to those who have a question. Stuff like gee, I don't know, but maybe somebody out there has a manual ect. I also agree that if the item on ebay is of interest to me I will not be posting it to others to drive up the price. If it is not for me then I figure some other bus nut that will take the time to cruise ebay will be interested and I do not care to drive up the price on them. The ebay item area will probally fail but to critizise a man for trying is wrong | ||
| two dogs (67.30.23.78) Rating: N/A |
I really enjoy what goes on here,even tho some don't see things the way I do...It's like T.V.,.. if you don't like what's going on....go somewhere else | ||
| Peter Broadribb (Madbrit) (65.73.177.60)
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So what have I learned from all this BS in this thread....... >>And for an xtra $5.00 u could have bought a reversing image LCD monitor on that un-mentionable board. Looks like u only lost $44.00 on your $1400 dealy box.<< Sounds like a great idea, an idea that without today's Ebay chatter would have been lost. The only thing missing is a link (or just the item number) to the actual item to see more product details and where it would have been located. If there is an item that would be of great interest, not only for the price, but from the technology standpoint, surely one would buy it if one wanted it and THEN tell all about what one had bought. Then those interested could search out their own later. Seems good to me. There never were many Ebay links in the first place, I know because ALL of the boards come direct to me via email. I even get the stuff I@n edits later. If the new Ebay board did that, it would probably be more used. I suggested that everytime I was asked, but it obviously not to be. It IS I@ns ball, we just say "Thank-you" for letting us play with it. Peter. ps. If you like a confrontational group, then try Diesel RVs. There's not a week goes by without some unfounded back stabbing going on.... LOL. | ||
| Peter Broadribb (Madbrit) (65.73.177.60)
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Don't know what happened but my auto-email version of what I just wrote is missing most of the middle of my post. I am repeating the whole thing here...... So what have I learned from all this BS in this thread....... ""And for an xtra $5.00 u could have bought a reversing image LCD monitor on that un-mentionable board. Looks like u only lost $44.00 on your $1400 dealy box."" Sounds like a great idea, an idea that without today's Ebay chatter would have been lost. The only thing missing is a link (or just the item number) to the actual item to see more product details and where it would have been located. If there is an item that would be of great interest, not only for the price, but from the technology standpoint, surely one would buy it if one wanted it and THEN tell all about what one had bought. Then those interested could search out their own later. Seems good to me. There never were many Ebay links in the first place, I know because ALL of the boards come direct to me via email. I even get the stuff I@n edits later. If the new Ebay board did that, it would probably be more used. I suggested that everytime I was asked, but it obviously not to be. It IS I@ns ball, we just say "Thank-you" for letting us play with it. Peter. ps. If you like a confrontational group, then try Diesel RVs. There's not a week goes by without some unfounded back stabbing going on.... LOL. | ||
| John Biundo (Jbiundo) (64.175.37.127)
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Gotta agree with Scott and Gary's points. I, too, have never thought to go check the eBay board. Out of sight, out of mind. I agree that it would work much better, for me, to have the eBay stuff as a separate topic area, like The Flea Market. | ||
| Gary Stadler (Boogiethecat) (68.7.217.217)
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Regarding the LCD image reverser thing... the little reverser cost me $40 bucks from that unmentionable place. My LCD monitor is a 17" size set up for VGA and analog video, so in my bus it doubles as backup monitor (BIG), my computer monitor and DVD player. As far as I've seen, none of the monitors this size do the reversing thing, so instead of "loosing" my $40, I've nabbed a $1400 toy that does a very nice function for me, for a song. In case you're interested, here's the manufacturer's URL for the least expenisve of the product line. If any of you have absolutely no way to get a reversal on your backup image and you absolutely want it, this is the only option I've seen. It's too pricey but mine is the second one in a year I've seen come up on e-don't say it. So they do show up cheap from time to time if you're patient, and I won't be nabbing the next one! http://www.colorado-video.com/Reversers/Reversers.htm?num=1 Regarding nabbing it first and letting others know about it later, yeah definitely for some one-of-a-kind items. But a few months back I found a very good deal on a bunch of 10ga shore cords, I bought one and at least 2-3 other busnuts bought some after I alerted everyone to the sale. I've done this at least 4-5 times over the years on this board, but I don't do it any longer out of respect for Ian's rule. I've also helped a few busnuts find things they weren't aware of there, because I'm fairly good at searching the place rapidly. But nowadays, until/unless the rules here change, I'll just get the deals for myself and stay quiet. For instance a guy who just recently dumped a bunch of new Drainmaster electric holding tank valves cheap. I got one for me... Too bad for others who didn't see it 'cause I couldn't tell em.... | ||
| CoryDaneRTSIIIL (4.17.253.194) Rating: N/A |
I might suggest that where ever this Ebay board is, that perhaps it should be renamed to "NEW ITEMS and IDEAS" board. On this board, you would post items found on Ebay, on another BBS or any other place. If you mention you found something on the BBS, found an interesting item, or even a unique way that you installed something, the place to put the Addy would be on the New Items board. Because this board would not have nearly the activity that the regular board will, the message would stay in the string longer. This would comply with the "EBAY" Mentality and would be a place to put the new found items. This would hopefully bring in more usage of the board. Of course the down side is it may be a problem with some of IANS advertisers. One would need to be prudent when it comes to placing Addy's on the page. Perhaps a simple "rules of post" would be helpful, I know, I know, MORE RULES. This is just talking, to try to develope a better plan. NOW, for all the doubting Thomas's out there ( Did Thomas really have a Doubt?) The difficulty is getting people to GO TO THE new board, which seems to be the reason this whole string started in the first place. I think once someone has landed on the BBS, it is not anyones first thought to jump onto another one, beit lazy or interest. Perhaps if it were adjusted, it may inspire the needed interest for success. Well, do you have a better idea??? LETS HEAR IT! "Imagine Your Dreams" cd | ||
| Ian Giffin (Admin) (64.228.55.175)
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DML, It was a mistake. I admit it, sir. But please try to suck it up. I did. Ian www.busnut.com | ||
| Gary Stadler (Boogiethecat) (68.7.217.217)
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...So can we begin mentioning that place here now and again? Or is it totally a dead bay... Cheers Gary | ||
| Ian Giffin (Admin) (64.228.43.6)
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Gary, Please give me a few days to make it a subheading of this bbs and we'll see how it does here, at your suggestion. It'll likely drive DML crazy, but I'm willing to take that chance :-) Ian www.busnut.com | ||
| drivingmisslazy (24.196.191.70)
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Wrong I@N, I always thought that was where it should be. And while we are on the subject, a few people thought I came on too strong and owed you an apology. And if I do, then I sincerely apologize. However, I have sucked it up, as you suggested in an earlier post, and I was only trying to be helpful. Like you, I have been a very successful businessman for many years, and I found out that if I never made a mistake, then I was not pushing hard enough. I really do not believe any successful businessman does not make an occasional mistake. And when they do, they take what ever action required to rectify it, which it appears you are doing. Thanks. I have a tremendous respect for your efforts on this board as well as the other businesses you operate which I assume helps support this board. You recently indicated you had, thru the advertising on the board, sold over $1M in busses. This is a tremendous achievement I believe. I look forward to the EBay listings in a little more convenient location so that I can look at some of the goodies that other people seem to have a knack in finding. I really do not seem to have this capability, or maybe I am just too lazy to search them out. Richard | ||
| Ian Giffin (Admin) (64.228.43.44)
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Hi Richard, My previous comments were slightly, if not mostly, tongue-in-cheek. You absolutely do NOT owe me an apology. And I don't deny that your suggestion was that the eBay board belonged here with the rest of them. I appreciate your being here to comment on the myriad of subjects that drop into this bbs. I respect your opinion. That's why I wanted you to be one of the ones to beta test the new board. There were several avenues on which to drive. The first was a dead end. Let's see what happens when I bring it here. By the way, page views for the eBay board have spiked since this thread began. Thank you for that!! Regards, Ian www.busnut.com | ||
| drivingmisslazy (24.196.191.70)
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You're more than welcome. Glad I was of some help, although a few thought otherwise. BTW, my conversion has been "finished" for several years and I have done nothing but routine repair and maintenance for at least five years, but I still follow the boards to try and keep up with what is going on and to learn something that I will probably never use. Just part of being a "busnut" I guess. LOL Richard |