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| Jerry Campbell (206.163.131.1)
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Can I burn diesel in a kerosene heater? Thanks Jerry '75 Crown | ||
| two dogs (67.30.23.101) Rating: N/A |
I've "heard" it will work ,but the nozzels wear out quicker.."if" you are talking about the cannon style heaters.. | ||
| Phil Dumpster (12.230.214.167) Rating: N/A |
My experience has been that things will clog up with soot unless you do something to increase the amount of oxygen getting to the flame. | ||
| mark (65.40.225.193) Rating: N/A |
Jerry- What kind of heater is it that you are inquiring about? Is it a nozzle type or a vaporizer burner? I think there would be more sooting up than you would want to deal with if it is a nozzle type of heater. However, a vaporizer type of burner should give you much more satisfactory results. Kerosene is basically just more refined deisel. Something you should be aware of is that deisel burns considerably hotter than kerosene. The heater should be recallibrated to compensate for the higher btu's. Mark 75 Gillig 636D | ||
| Jerry Campbell (206.163.131.37)
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Thanks guys. The heater I'm looking at is a small radiant Kerosene heater. 10,000 btu. It looks like it might have a wick. I'd like to see if I could heat the bus with it this winter while I'm working inside. Thats a Oregon Coast Range winter. I'm not sure it will be big enough but I thought I'd start at the bottom and work up. Hopefully, now's the time the insulation and double pane windows will pay off. Jerry '75 Crown | ||
| Steven Gibbs (12.148.43.6)
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Jerry, I've used wick style heaters for years to heat both the house and to heat the bus during construction. You will find that kerosene will burn much cleaner, no smoke (when the heater is adusted properly), and most importantly, you won't find soot on horizontal surfaces. IMHO Steve G. MC-9 Pontiac | ||
| Phil Dumpster (12.230.214.167) Rating: N/A |
Ditto that. Don't use diesel in a wick-type radiant heater. I tried that and it made a mess. Clogged the chimney screens with soot. Use kerosene, or use a propane or electric heater. Also, have plenty of ventilation to get rid of the carbon monoxide and other polutants. Remember that carbon monoxide is colorless and odorless and you won't realize that you have been overexposed until you are dangerously close to unconciousness. Electric would be much safer if you have it available. | ||
| Henry R. Bergman, Jr. (Henryofcj) (63.224.197.10)
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Hey Jerry...you can also do what I do each winter and just have no heater at all and get tough and learn to live with it getting as cool as +18 F on the bed.  I tried to use two (2) 1500 watt milk heaters but found thru experimentation (love that word) that it only raised the interior temp about 5 degrees. Hopefully, I will be purchasing the diesel space heater(s) in the near future for my diesel electric Crown 10-wheeler. CROWNS FOREVER!! | ||
| Jerry Campbell (206.163.131.24)
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Hi Henry, Sounds like we're headed down the same road. What kind of diesel heater are you looking at? Another Question. With a diesel electric bus, how many watts of solar panels do you think you would need to live here. I know in CJ you get a little more sun than we do up here. Jerry '75 crown 6 wheeler | ||
| Tom Caffrey (Pvcces) (65.74.65.3)
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Henry, you either gotta stay tough or you're in for a heat bill. Those two heaters put out 10,000 btu, so you're going to need at least 80,000 btu to do any good. If you use propane, you'll be looking at a gallon per hour at those temperatures to keep warm, and a TEC is going to be even more expensive because you only get part of the heat energy from your fuel. Propane's in the 90,000 btu per gallon range. If you use diesel to generate electricity, the most you should figure on per gallon burned is about 45,000 btu. This could mean two gallons per hour when it is cold out. To do any better than that, you will need flame heat or you will have to capture heat from the generator exhaust or cooling system. Aside of the cost, the only way to really be comfortable is if the heat leakage and air migration are both fairly small. It's real easy for that to become a challenge in these buses. For what it's worth. Tom Caffrey PD4106-2576 Suncatcher | ||
| mark (65.40.225.193) Rating: N/A |
There is approxamately 90,000 btu's in a gallon of propane. Oil (deisel) has 132,000 btu's per gallon. In my area, even with the prices where they are now, oil is much more ecconomical to burn than propane. About 50 cents less per gallon, and more BTU's to boot! Mark 75 Gillig | ||
| Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (209.128.99.4)
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We found the Wick heaters to be a joke, barely takes the edge off the chill in our boat, in the SF bay. Gary | ||
| Henry R. Bergman, Jr. (Henryofcj) (63.164.175.158)
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My problem is that my '74 Crown 10-wheeler is presently uninsulated and all I have for power is a 20 amp 120 VAC extension cord. Not enough juice. But...the rent is super cheap and I am living inside her as the conversion process reaches the final planning stages. The planned diesel heater(s) operating voltage will end up determining the invertor voltage which will determine the battery... ....bank voltage and so on and so on. Will use whatever heaters I can find readily available that are priced right along with parts availability. The plan right now is to have separate house and coach systems. Going to leave the factory Crown 12VDC stuff like lights nearly stock... ...with some interior bulb relocation and updating. The coach side will be all 120 VAC run thru an invertor. No propane is planned right now. As far as solar panels go,(PV panels) on our old homestead we had nine (9) Arco M51's hooked up to two (2) 10 cell strings of ED 120 Nicad cells. Was not enough in the Oregon winters. Had to fire up the propane gen set to do laundry and such. In summers, had enough juice leftover... ...to water a few fruit trees and do a small garden. About 10 KWH winter, 40 KWH summer. Will have no PV panels on the Crown. Just lots of diesel fuel and two (2) big planned battery banks using the (right now) Trojan T-105 batts. Wish me luck. CROWNS FOREVER!!!! | ||
| FAST FRED (67.75.110.113) Rating: N/A |
There are loads of Marine diesel heaters that require a smoke head , but NOT electric. Had a Dickinson furnace in a 33.3 ft sailboat and lived aboard thru -17F , warm & toasty , with not a bit of electric. Might work for you. There not the cheapest item out there but to function silently for 7 months at a clip is really nice. FAST FRED | ||
| george weber (66.123.254.151) Rating: N/A |
FAST FRED-- know of a Boat BBS witha flea market like this one? George | ||
| FAST FRED (67.75.106.223) Rating: N/A |
no, but it would not be worth looking. After somthing is built into a boat it seldom gets changed out for no reason. To be warm you have to bite the bullet and purchase a furnace. If 24/7 is not your thing , good wood or coal heaters might be OK. Grangers and others have non electric thru the wall kero heaters , but none of these can be used after the coach sees the road. Cozy id one brand. FAST FRED | ||
| Scott Whitney (69.35.6.233) Rating: N/A |
FF, had any experience with the solid fuel dickinson heaters? They are half the price of diesel, but I wonder if one looses that savings in BTUs/$$ when buying pellets etc. http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&langId=-1&catalogId=10001&productId=20125 Know anything the Cozy Cabin brand? Their diesel unit is a couple hundred cheaper than dickinson, but only 6000BTU . . . Probably need two or just use it to suppliment a propane furnace. http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&langId=-1&catalogId=10001&classNum=1&subdeptNum=&storeNum=&productId=72981 Scott | ||
| FAST FRED (67.75.106.228) Rating: N/A |
The Cozy Marine heaters and all the pressurized units should be avouded like the plage. ALL are using very poor stove burners from Portugal and are NOT safe to operate unattensed (like sleeping). Solid fuel requires YOU get out of bed every 3 or 4 hours (small fire box) to refuel. OIL can be in a 275 gal tank OUTSIDE & will burn fine weather your there or not till the tank runs dry. Suggest you call Hamilton Marine in ME ( 800#) and ask for sale catalog , and if they have a scratched or dented REFLEX heater , in the btu you need. These can be bigger output than the Dickinson , so below zero you might only need one. Defender Ind in CT (800#) is dealer for Dickinson with some discount. Balmar (CA) used to be importer after I stopped , but may have literature. FAST FRED | ||
| BillNJ (68.39.185.137) Rating: N/A |
Hamilton Marine has a web page. http://www.hamiltonmarine.com/CatIndex3.html Reflex and other diesel furnaces. As per FF, marine stuff is not cheap but is well made. Bill |