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| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 424 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 72.211.128.245  Rating: |
For lack of proper voltage I TOASTED not only the Starter Motor Armature but the Solenoid as well.... less than 60 seconds of abuse turning the whole unit into a solid mass of Epoxy & Copper windings! Removal of these Starters is a well know pain in several areas, Once out, I took it to Fernando @ LUNA Rebuilders in Tucson, (their Rep is SO good that I will pay your bill if they screw-up!) done biz with him since Jan of 1987. With my new Starter in hand I stopped at the Machine shop & had John turn/cut down a 15/16th's socket on BOTH ends & trim the length of a box wrench .   the box wrench is for the initial loosening of the nut & the final tightening.. the tall socket is the "before" size...smaller one is the modified one. Notice all the adaptors? Yes I actually do use a quarter inch ratchet to undo the nuts once they are loose... 1/4 in. drive gives me more wiggle room under the starter to catch that lower nut....those 1/2 inch extensions are just TOO FAT to make the job easy (Message edited by Jack_fids on February 08, 2011) | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 425 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 72.211.128.245 Rating: N/A |
One the main obstacles to a smooth R&R is the dreaded "Bottom Bolt" In the photo you'll notice that my Bolts have been replaced with Studs.... always a wise choice where Aluminum is the base, preventing the wear on the alum. threads from R&R'ing parts. There is NOTHING like the feeling one gets when the Alum threads strip out on a 4106 Bellhousing ! (no experience there yet!)  In the photo, right under the ARROW pointing to the LONG stud that needed to be shortened, is the reason for the shortening, that cast ridge under the Arrow prevents a straight approach to the fastener, the 15/16th's nut. That ridge plus the body of the starter itself impede a smoooth removal & promote the use of words best saved for under the Bus. I trimmed off the excess length of the stud, as indicated by the placement of the nut... the threads to the right of the nut are now history. This gives me the wiggle room needed to slip my Spl Box wrench over the nut for breaking the nut loose but then I also have the wiggle room needed to slip that short socket over the nut and back the nut off. | ||
| marvin pack (Gomer)
Registered Member Username: Gomer Post Number: 1215 Registered: 3-2007 Posted From: 71.55.4.4  Rating: N/A |
Jack while you have the starter out,can't you grind that ridge off just enough to get the socket on straighter? I saw that done and was much better with removal. Gomer | ||
| Mel La Plante (Mel_4104)
Registered Member Username: Mel_4104 Post Number: 148 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 173.180.126.136 Rating: N/A |
Jack not to rain on your thinking but why did you not change that stud out and replace it with the proper bolt that you can put in with a socket and extension with no trouble. most starter rebuilders have them or go to WILLIAMS Diesel IN Tucson and get one. | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 426 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 72.211.128.245 Rating: N/A |
GoMer...I get a bit worried grinding things off Blocks that I have no prior instruction or experience with. Mel... putting a bolt thru 2 holes when you cannot see it (starter 1st- then the bellhousing) and then expecting to "square into" the threads is a larger challenge than just puttin a nut on a stationary stud... no wobble, no buggered threads & no chance of needing a BIG insert to solve a problem. Using studs to initially hang the Starter from takes a ton of weight off the re-assembly.... you don't have to maintain lift while fidgeting to run a bolt into Aluminum. Every time you break a steel bolt loose from an Alum. anchor, you decrease the life & integrity of the threads. The rule I was taught was... if you are fastening to alum or cast iron use studs to eliminate thread damage. | ||
| john w. roan (Chessie4905)
Registered Member Username: Chessie4905 Post Number: 2021 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 71.58.71.157  Rating: N/A |
I would recommend the studs with a reduced diameter and no threads for the last 3/8th inch. That will reduce the chance of cocking the nuts and damaging the threads or buggering the end thread or two working the starter back into place. | ||
| les marston (Les_marston)
Registered Member Username: Les_marston Post Number: 259 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 68.151.225.213  Rating: N/A |
Hey Jack here is a little instructional video for you Hope it helps. I know I felt enlightened after seeing it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inIABmgkcU4 No need to thank me bud | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 427 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 72.211.128.245 Rating: N/A |
Chessie... you are so correct.. & I'd prefer it that way only there is no place I have been where such an item can be "aquired" or purchased for that matter..! Les.... unbeknownst to you.... or your kind (construe that as the only "close to complimentary utterance" I'll make concerning your character) I have a deep investment & appreciation in Animation.... I'm pretty well versed in those who drew, voiced & produced "Cartoons". You could not know that Chilly Willy's theme song was sung by one of the most famous voices in the business! June Foray There is not a single person on this forum who has not laughed in appreciation of her work. She did dozens of voices for Walter Lanz Productions, Chilly Willy among them. Here's a little bit of her Bio.... "Most recognizable, though, is her work for Jay Ward: she played nearly every female on The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show, including Natasha Fatale and Nell Fenwick, as well as male lead character Rocket J. Squirrel (a.k.a. Rocky Squirrel). Foray also voiced Magica De Spell and Ma Beagle in the televised cartoon DuckTales. Most significantly in the later part of her career, she had a leading role voicing Grammi Gummi on the television series, Disney's Adventures of the Gummi Bears, Walt Disney Pictures' first major animated television series, where she worked with her Rocky & Bullwinkle co-star Bill Scott for the final time until his death in 1985."- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_Foray June is alive and still working at the ripe old age of 93.... we ALL grew up listening to her voice some of our favorite animated characters as kids.....50-70 years ago! I share a special aspect with her, Hans Conried, Bill Scott, Paul Frees & Daws Butler...all of whom worked the "Rocky & Bullwinkle Show" as voice talent. You could not have known of my connection or my attachment to her.... OR that the Chilly Willy song had just been the topic of a conversation between myself and another Animation buff just 2 nights ago! Thanks for the link......! (hey Ace...do you believe it? I hi-jacked my own thread!) (Message edited by Jack_fids on February 08, 2011) | ||
| Dal Farnworth (Dallas)
Registered Member Username: Dallas Post Number: 346 Registered: 7-2004 Posted From: 75.91.198.219  Rating: N/A |
Jack, Didn't Chilly Willy have an orange pecker on his face? ........... jut sayin' | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 429 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 72.211.128.245 Rating: N/A |
I don't have the proper space in which to graphically elaborate on your postulation, however I will be in your area in a few weeks and at that time I will gladly expound on the subject.... If you are able to retain the thought for that long given you & your Rig's deteriorating & despicable conditions..... . . Have Mama pin a note to your shirt! . . . . wiseguy | ||
| marvin pack (Gomer)
Registered Member Username: Gomer Post Number: 1217 Registered: 3-2007 Posted From: 71.55.4.4 Rating: N/A |
les lES LES LOL Good find! Gomer | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 339 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 72.144.61.124  Rating: N/A |
And you know Flipper, Flipper, Flipper, We know you'll come here.. and try to steal beer. Dallas The gift just keeps on giving. | ||
| David Evans (Dmd)
Registered Member Username: Dmd Post Number: 553 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 24.46.196.121  Rating: |
so the mechanic sez to the penguin, "looks like you blew a seal" and the penguin sez just fix the bus and leave my sex life out of this... | ||
| RJ Long (Rjlong)
Registered Member Username: Rjlong Post Number: 1780 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 71.195.124.20  Rating: N/A |
Jack - Your first two posts in this thread were very informative, especially with the attached photos. Thanks! As you know, I'm quite familiar with steel studs used with aluminum - hated it when one came out while removing a 1-bbl Rochester! Thus, I certainly understand your thinking about this persnickety GMC design. FWIW & HTH. . .  | ||
| Nellie Wilson (Vivianellie)
Registered Member Username: Vivianellie Post Number: 512 Registered: 11-2008 Posted From: 66.87.2.140  Rating: N/A |
Geez - This thread is scary. Partly ‘cause I can’t follow it, partly ‘cause I’m wondering if my MCI is as complicated (difficult) to fix? And what about this voltage thing? I’ve started with low batts (they ran down in cold weather) and never burned anything up. Looking for guidance before I screw up. Nellie PS. I met that seal. Wondered who he was bitchin’ about... | ||
| Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
Registered Member Username: Buswarrior Post Number: 1983 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 174.91.142.215  Rating: N/A |
Nellie, you got lucky, Jack wasn't. Keep the batteries properly charged, no worries. In offensive layperson's terms, the lower the voltage, the higher the amperage draw in an attempt to make up for it, amperage makes heat, heat burns things. I do not know any wildlife well enough for any inquiries as to their sexual activities to be anything but impolite, or to be misinterpreted as some sort of invitation. happy coaching! buswarrior | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 431 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 72.211.128.245 Rating: N/A |
You know what..? you're .  ..PENGUINIST"S ... ALL of you! I've spoken to legal representation concerning an equal rights suit against everyone on this forum except Ace ('cuz weez Budz). . . Just pulling your leg again Ace for no good reason... . .....And tomorrow I'm contacting GREENPEACE & PETA... HA.!!!  wash that back & see how smooth it tastes! (you Canuckz got off EZ this time....eh...) Dave, the original punchline is the perfect "Sleeper" set-up for that moment later to start out all over agin with the same gagline (leading people to think you are repeating yourself) but drop this on them instead "and the Penguin sez your supposed to be working on the problem not looking at my pants." ..... THEN later still when the crowd is half shot start it all over for the 3rd time only this time use "and the Penguin sez, " yeh, a smart Gal can pick-up a quick 20 fish that way." Using the same set-up 3 times with a different "Punch" ea. time leads the listener to believe they already KNOW what you are going to say... until you fool them AND make'em laugh the 2nd tiime... they love the "twist" in the joke when you try it for the 3rd time they know that -they DONT know what's coming - but they do know you made them laugh twice with the "same joke" so they -KNOW- this going to be better than the 1st 2 or you wouldn't be going out on a limb for the 3rd time.... & about this time they think to themselves "this guy knows LOTS of Penguin jokes!" When you deliver the 3rd Punch they think you're really funny but what's really funny is you got them 3 times on the same joke! NOW IF the the audience is just right...really in the bag now, and later if you feel like treating them to a bit more you can start it all over again Now you have them in the palm of your hand they fell for it 3 times & loved it so this time they're gonna laugh no matter what you say "and the ones that really laughed before are going to be writhing on the floor which makes everyone laugh even more"(Norm Crosby) You set'em up with the lead & you punch them with this... "YA Mack.... and you look like a mechanic so whatz yur point?" When you can milk 4 solid laughs out of the same old retread people think your a genius....& they love to be had. I like pullin Ace's leg and KNOW he dont think I'm a genius....more like Jackass I'll bet! That's OK tho...another perspective is always good A lot of people just love to be had especially when it comes to laughter the real joke is we are all suckers for something.... & mostly for ourselves. eh? Me, I got no use for Penguins.... I spent 5 yrs. in the Antarctic Program shot DAYS worth of MoPic film and thousands of stills .....and I have about 10 minutes of Penguin film and maybe 2 dozens stills of them..... they stink like pigs are as dumb as the box the rocks came in they're viscous when ashore taste like Goose cooked in 90wt gear lube when they bite your ankle enough times you boot'em like a football they come right back of seconds! They have only 2 redeeming values to make little girls say Awe! and feed Skua's & Seals. . . . (Message edited by Jack_fids on February 09, 2011) | ||
| Nellie Wilson (Vivianellie)
Registered Member Username: Vivianellie Post Number: 515 Registered: 11-2008 Posted From: 66.87.2.140 Rating: N/A |
BW - Now THAT I understand. 'Offensive layperson terms' work real good for me. And, truly, thanks... stuff like this makes me worry. Actually, I didn't know that seal either. Just met him in a bar in Alaska, whining about some guy from Arizona... said the guy ad-libbed a poem while stuffing him in the tranny. But when he didn't fit... Nellie | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 432 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 72.211.128.245 Rating: N/A |
WHOA..! She Hoots & shoots then she Scoots the Bussin Gal in the CowBoy Boots She starts out on topic but gets in her licks and most of her fans are nothing but fine folk who enjoy live music from a songbird...  It's LATE...after Midnight here... if it wasn't I'm sure I could of come up with a better final line... don't you think? or don't you? Nellie...you've been HAD ...too!   | ||
| niles steckbauer (Niles500)
Registered Member Username: Niles500 Post Number: 984 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 173.78.39.41 Rating: N/A |
<so the mechanic sez to the penguin, "looks like you blew a seal"> The punch line I remember was "Nah that's mayonnaise, I just had a sandwich" | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 446 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 72.211.128.245 Rating: N/A |
 OH Niles.... EVERYONE KNOWS you can't do the same joke 5 times Beside that EVERYONE KNOWS the oil in Mayonnaise makes you "run" and EVERYONE KNOWS Penguins don't run.... But you made me laugh without showing me your face which is more than TowelBoy can say! beside that who are you Banya..? stealing my Penguin schtick....why I ought to give you a pie just for that...are you coming to Dallas' shindig btw?......just axing!  - - - - | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 354 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 72.144.61.124 Rating: N/A |
stop calling me towelboy tranny stuffing seal blower. | ||
| Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
Registered Member Username: Buswarrior Post Number: 1994 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 174.91.145.63 Rating: |
Yup, the cover is blown, the joke is old, the thread drift is worse than BCM... oh well, everything has already been written and is in the archives in pretty good shape... Rage on! happycoaching! buswarrior | ||
| David Evans (Dmd)
Registered Member Username: Dmd Post Number: 556 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 24.46.196.121 Rating: N/A |
Well i will take the Warriors last post as permission to digress...Mr Fids, i played in a band in central fla in the early 80's and learned the power of a microphone over a captive and somewhat inebriated audience. boy could we run some jokes and their imediate offspring into the ground! Sort of a punk-country band with mother of invention tendencies! our poor 50 year old Conway Twitty type lead singer was just hanging on for dear life. ah mammaries! | ||
| RJ Long (Rjlong)
Registered Member Username: Rjlong Post Number: 1782 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 71.195.124.20 Rating: N/A |
Jack - Be nice, Nellie's really the only fair sex that posts on this BBS, and we need that other perspective to help control the testosterone! Even if she's sometimes a mooch! But, I digress. . . what was the topic again? Did you see the pics she posted on Facebook of her in a bikini? Oh, yes, starting problems. Not yet, thank God! Equipment still works fine! At least that's what GF says! I think. . . | ||
| Nellie Wilson (Vivianellie)
Registered Member Username: Vivianellie Post Number: 517 Registered: 11-2008 Posted From: 66.87.6.6 Rating: |
Jack, I resent that... I may not be great, but I'm a lot better than 'fair.' Nellie | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 457 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 72.211.128.245 Rating: N/A |
Rj ... I couldn't agree more I always use the powder-puff delivery with Precious. It's against my usual MO.. tho . . I've heard most gals like a little ruff stuff so when ever I saddle-up & head out to cut some heffers loose from the herd I always bring a plentiful supply of 40 grit wet/dry sandpaper  . . . . with the chloroform. . . .  (Message edited by Jack_fids on February 11, 2011) | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 360 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 72.144.61.124 Rating: N/A |
Jack GHB works better. from what I heard. | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 463 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 72.211.128.245 Rating: N/A |
BUZZ OFF JACKSON YOU"RE CROWDING MY TURF.. I have far bigger FISH to fry in the middle of the night, that squeaky little gear of yours woke me up 2300 miles away, you need some WD-40 Palsy.... I don't "run" with the same type of "folk" as you apparently are accustomed to canoodling with my highly esteemed friend.... ....so sorry !! (Joe Jitsu circa 1960)  . . . get the picture? (Message edited by Jack_fids on February 11, 2011) | ||
| Bruce Henderson (Oonrahnjay)
Registered Member Username: Oonrahnjay Post Number: 679 Registered: 8-2004 Posted From: 66.248.164.225  Rating: |
B-Warrior (in a valiant but ultimately futile attempt to keep at least some signal in the noise) wrote "Keep the batteries properly charged, no worries. In offensive layperson's terms, the lower the voltage, the higher the amperage draw in an attempt to make up for it, amperage makes heat, heat burns things." Those are words of wisdom to heed. I say "the best way to ruin a starter is to have a bad battery -- the best way to ruin a battery is to have a bad starter". And these are avoidable problems -- just do things right. | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 365 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 72.144.61.124 Rating: N/A |
Got it, amazing that it's gone this long unnoticed, maybe 80 grit will be better my esscabed friend. so it seems you cooked your starter by not following the 101 basics. how embarrassing. ...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZEJ4OJTgg8.. | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 465 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 72.211.128.245 Rating: N/A |
The above is from a guy who has a history of leaving the mens room with toilet paper attached to his shoe..... I rest my case. | ||
| Donald P H (Eagle19952)
Registered Member Username: Eagle19952 Post Number: 52 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 75.202.141.239 Rating: N/A |
This is a place for BUSNUTS to "question, express an opinion, connect a viewer to your preferred product..." We gather here for many reasons other than to wait around for someone in need to post frantic question of people with a lot of knowledge about a lot of subjects, for free...not that anyone minds that, it's just that this is a COMMUNITY of PEOPLE. Most of us retain a sense of humor as a device to express camaraderie, respect & a desire to have fun. We've all busted knuckles on the same Coaches, made the same mistakes & fools of ourselves in public. We all paid too much, cut too short and thought to little somewhere along the line.....and we ALL know that we ALL have done it. WE'RE ARE ALL IN THE SAME BOAT none lower, none higher, ALL BusNuts...people who are different. If you can't swallow Vanilla don't eat it, no one forces any one here to read anything or make them laugh or not laugh or LAUGH If you felt a swipe while here all you had to say was "I didn't appreciate that" which is pretty easy a lot easier than making a permanent commitment to something you will likely regret when you need some expertise for example. I gave you an honest, informative & experienced reply that was respectful.... tell me what could I have said that would make you happier? Taking offense where none is intended or even offered kind of limits a guys ability to interact with anyone. AND if you take seriously the razzing that goes on here between friends you are missing the concept ....different perspectives are FREE for the taking & adopting grab one and have some fun.... It's Winter....people can't wait to GET OUT... and when you're stuck IN.... writing on the wall becomes an art form. Come on back.... you had a good joke on us! | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 466 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 72.211.128.245 Rating: N/A |
 ...some say "imitation is the highest form of flattery" My perspective is He who imitates me needs to progress beyond illiteracy . . .  . . . (Message edited by Jack_fids on February 11, 2011) |
