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bluegrass (216.207.2.100)
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Does anyone know what happend to two dogs, two dogs If you are out there here Is a link for you on electric fans.
http://www.flex-a-lite.com/auto/coolfan.htm |
two dogs (4.72.19.119)
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interisting!....also, in the back of 'rod and custom'...they have a 16" fan that moves 3300 cfm
still say cfm cools not horsepower |
Jayjay (198.81.26.38)
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Yes airflow cools, but the fan on my 'Buffalo moves 8,000 cfm at 1850 engine RPM. When I first started with this bus stuff, I went thru what you are, and like many before me I spent a lot of time and money and 'Board chats to realize that if electric fans worked for engines like ours, then GM, Eagle, MCI, White, Western Star, Freightliner Mack, Volvo et. al. would be using them. Cheers...JJ |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (209.128.99.4)
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"....that if electric fans worked for engines like ours, then GM, Eagle, MCI, White, Western Star, Freightliner Mack, Volvo et. al. would be using them. "
Let's not muddy the water with Facts and common sense now JJ.
Gary |
Bluegrass (216.207.2.108)
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If you guys would take out that greasy, oil dripping, fuel hog, of a detroit out and put In a good Engine you wouldn't have a problem Cooling It.
Cummins forever |
Stan (24.67.45.35)
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Bluegrass: Which rear engined busses with Cummins use electric fans? |
bluegrass (216.207.2.105)
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Mine If the one I have In my bus don't cool It,
I talked to Jerry Russell the other day and he
told me not to worry that It will cool.
I took the engine and trans out of a Truck and put It In my Eagle, when I built the cradle to set the engine In I contacted Jerry to ask how he had done his when he put In the 60 series and he said that It would cool, he went on to say that he had his Air to Air aftercooler, his trans cooler, his Gen.set, piped Into the rad and it cooled It fine. but as a precaution I have contacted flex-a-lite and they make one that pulls 11,000 CFM's of air and that should do it.
he says that the 4 stroke engines cool a lot easer than the 2 cycle Detroits. |
Stan (24.67.45.35)
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Bluegrass: As I understand your reply, you are planning to use a conventional engine driven fan and if that doesn't cool your engine you will add an electric auxillary fan. If that is the case you are just proving that with enough money you can cool any engine. |
jmaxwell (66.81.214.23)
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Bluegrass: I'm curious as to the hp rating of the fan motor to operate this 11k CFM fan. Certainly more than fractional and in 12 or 24 volt, must be hugh in physical size? Careful consideration must be given to the placement of an aux. fan. Placed upstream of the main fan, it can act as a restriction of air flow. Placed downstream, it serves little more purpose than evacuating the discharge of the main, in which case, the problem was restricted discharge to begin with, which is often the problem in bus radiator applications. Moving heat loads to another cooler or aux. radiator and using electric fans makes sense; putting them in line with the existing radiator fan seldom has any effect, and in fact, can cause more problems than they ever could have cured. |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (209.128.99.4)
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FYI jmaxwell:
If you havent been subjected to the previous episodes of this discussion, I feel it is only fair to warn you that you have entered into a religious discussion, where physics and logic do not apply.
Gary |
ggypsy (66.21.167.164)
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lets just reverse this ...go find an old shop floor box fan..make you a plate to mount your bus fan in place of the original fan then play with motors and pulleys using your old hand held mechanical tach until you get the right speed.. then you will know how much power it actually takes...wish automotive 12 and 24 volt motors were avaliable reasonably priced in state of the art construction....just playing gg |
Peter Aduskevich (Slowslowpete) (67.75.113.79)
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two dogs, Who makes the 16" / 3300cfm fan? |
TWO DOGS (67.30.57.122)
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www.zirgo.com 1-800-873-4038
www.autothisworld.com
page 51 jan. issue ROD&CUSTOM |
DonTX/KS (205.187.92.41)
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Let me into this religious discussion too. No need to do all that playing gypsy, just stop by at the next dyno test of some big semi diesel at the local Cat shop. While that big Cat is chained down, roaring and actually putting 400-500 to the rear wheels, look closely at the hp output. Then reach over and hit the Horton fan switch, and look carefully at the hp drop (as you hear the engine labor down). Simply subtract the delivered HP with fan on from the hp when the fan is off, and you got exactly the hp required to run the fan if you have forward motion to help cool. Add 10% at least to account for the wind having to change directions in a rear engined bus, and you are right on it!
Or is that applying too much physics and logic to this religious discussion? Grade me Gary! |
bob (67.30.57.66)
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ya' want a guy that is going to try to pull a trailer with a 100 horse 3208 to grade you ??might as well hook up the 20 horse harley to it too... |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (209.128.99.4)
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Seems like a good "Real World" test to me Don, at least for determining the dynamic losses from the cooling fan. Another thing is the Horton Fan causes parasitic HP losses even when the clutch is not engaged. A better test would be with the Fan Belts removed, then with them on and clutch engaged.
However, this does not help us with the comparison between a conventional hydraulic-driven and an electric fan. The Hydraulic fan, or Horton Fan has an abundance of torque to drive the Fan, where a small electric motor will not have enough torque to keep the fan from stalling before reaching the CFM requirements of the cooling system.
You would have to have an enormously large electric motor to provide the necessary torque. Keeping in mind that as you reduce voltages in Electric Motors, the size required for the same amount of HP/Torque increases proportionally. Even if you had a 24v motor the size of a five-gallon bucket, the Parasitic losses from converting from HP to electricity then back to HP would negate any possible benefit. We're spending a bunch of time figuring out how to fix something that's not broken.
All of this is lost of course on someone who thinks a 3208 is 100HP and my Harley is 20HP (Although that's probably about right for his Harley), or that changing his screen name to bob will fool us into thinking he's not someone else.
Gary |
ggypsy (66.21.167.164)
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1. you cannot compare apples and oranges...your semi statement is right but its cooling system is designed for worst case pulling a 86000 lb load.. 2. This is a bus board ..most of us weigh from the low 20's to the mid 30's..lots less weight.. the power loss from the fan is a lot less than on an old style front motored tractor..not designed to do the same job or rid itself of the same amount of generated heat.... 3.most are not looking for a complete electric cooling system ,just a reduction in our current heat problem of either overheating or just running to close to overheating................... 4.these problems are normally associated with sticking a modern motor in a 40+year old bus.... 5.The cooling systems on most heavy trucks and busses are horribly out of date...still using 30 year old technology just because its paid for.. the manufacturer does not care that the mechanical power loss is as high as it is as the tooling and manufacturing costs are already paid.. 6. a totally electric cooled bus is easily possible...just expensive .. a modern 15 to 30 hp 12volt electric motor is just about the size of a gallon bucket...and alot more efficient than anything currently in use in automotive applications....but a motor that large is not needed for a bus...flow and pressure are not that high...easy to do the research...lots of data out there... 7.If your not helping your hindering....If we just all threw up our hands and said >>YOU CAN'T DO THAT>>>THAT WON'T WORK>>>progress would stop...the individual who wants to do something new or different is the cornerstone of this country...I want new ideas and different ways... because I know there are lots of people out tlhere with the same problems... gg |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (209.128.99.4)
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Geez it never ends....
As for Items 1 and 2, they do not really apply, tractors have front-mounted radiators and road speed does most of the cooling, Busses on the other hand have "Hidden" cooling systems that presend a seperate set of problems to cooling.
3) This discussion IS about replacing all fans with electric.
4) I don't see anyone installing a $20K engine in their old MCI.
5) Ridiculous. Installing an electric motor, is much less costly than what goes into a truck/bus. Evidenced by all of the automobiles that use electric cooling now.
6) Your facts are wrong
I have in front of me, a 24v 1/2 HP motor. it is 6.5"X9" and uses 21A of current, and would be at least 1/3 larger. a 12v motor of the same HP would use 42A of current. a 12v motor of 15 to 30 HP would be somewhere between the size of a 5 gal bucket and a 55 gal drum. and use 650 - 1600 Amps just to run, not counting startup loads or efficiency losses.
7) just because you don't understand why something won't work, it doesn't mean it will.
I grew up in a Electrical repair shop, apprenticed as a Millwright, ran a service truck for a couple of years, Steel fabbed, Mechaniced for a few years more before going back to school to earn my degree as an EET II.
I currently design systems by finding all the reasons why something doesn't work and removing them. What's left is a system that works.
You're devoting a lot of energy to solving a problem that doesn't exist.
Gary |
ggypsy (66.21.167.164)
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Gary...1&2 is what Dons post was based on..the loss of power on a semi on a dyno when you turned the fan on....mechanical and fan power absorbtion...a semi has to have enough fan and rad to loose the heat from pulling 86000Lbs around...a bus doesn't ...3 go back and read the posts...not all are about system change 4 more posts on engine and trans swaps than anything else...more people want or dream of...still working on getting my 671ta ddec installation finished in my 4104...5 talking about a complete system with modern aka NASA style motors and controls...think like electric automobiles if you have no imagination..autos did not change to save money but to pass emmissions...look also how small their fractional motors are and look at the same thing from just 10 years ago..6 search for 12 volt motors in the $500 to $5000. dollar range you can find 30 hp motors the size of coffee cans...7 yep and remember by design a bumble bee can't fly..and 8 Its #4 gg ps the only reason for the post was the comparison of apples and oranges...and yours is just about as bad go do some research...this isn't the 50's so why be stuck with that technology... |
doughtebonifiedbusnut (24.62.99.43)
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Hey ggypsy,
I wonder sometimes were all this stuff comes from. I can tell you from my 26 years driving heavy trucks that never once did I ever feel the colling fan come on and im talking 110k lbs all the time. DonTX/KS sure left me hanging I thought hre was going to tell us just how much hp it takes to turn the fan BUT nope most guys on this board have said it takes between 15 and 40 hp. I would expect that with all the education that the gearhead has he would give us some hard numbers.Im calling flexolite in thre morning to get some info in the morning about that 11k fanI think its called thinking outside the box. will keep all informed with my electric fan project. Dont let them wear you down ggypsy. |
Peter Broadribb (Madbrit) (216.67.215.134)
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Well haven't we about done this subject to death?
I count it has been around the same track at least 4 times.
All I can suggest is that those who are convinced that you can cool a rear engined bus, such as an Eagle or MCI for example, with only electric fans of 12 or 24 volts, do so and prove their case.
In other words, "put up or shut up".
ENOUGH ALREADY. My delete key is getting worn out...... LOL.
Peter. |
DonTX/KS (205.187.92.191)
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I agree, where are all those people with the miniature 30 hp electric motors cooling their buses? Not a one has responded. I like references, not talk, like a manufacturer and part number for those little fans with the big HP. I am an old dog and new stuff is invented daily, share it with me please! I have had the good fortune of seeing several buses that people TRIED to cool with auto fans, still wanting to see one that worked. |
ggypsy (66.21.167.164)
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sorry for the post...just get tired of personal attacks and missinformation....when it gets bad then I post.....a little bit of bait and you catch one every time...a strong back is a terrible thing to waste....gg |
Johnny (65.177.177.98)
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Pete--It seems like Bluegrass is trying it out. |
ggypsyg (66.21.167.164)
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oops screwed up #6 in last post should have been $5000 to $15000.price range....misread bid sheet...gg |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (209.128.99.4)
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We went through this entire thread a month or two ago and we came up with basically the same thing.
This is, As I said at the top of this thread, a Religious discussion. It has no bearing in fact. None of you have done this. You have FAITH that it will work, but you don't have a clue what will make it work.
I see the listings for DC Motors. I own some of them. Do you READ the specs? Do you KNOW what 485 Amps means? Do you understand the term "Duty Cycle"?
the fact that you don't understand some of the details doesn't mean they're not important.
Sorry Peter, to protract this already overlong rant, but these guys are in an area that I have spent my entire life in and it's a riciculous discussion.
As an old timer once told me: "If a man can eat sawdust and crap boards, let's see him do it"
In reference to "All my Education", I'm a high-school dropout, with 16 months of college, and make my living using my imagination, developing systems that are definitely outside the box.
Gary |
ggypsy (66.21.167.164)
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I'm sorry to upset you Gary but I belive in letting people try what they want..it works..I was just attacking misinformation...things that we should not have because someone in the bussiness all their lives said it couldn't be done microwave ovens,spacetravel,home computers,cell phones,etc...on and on...forever...gg.. ps my job experience no longer counts as I have been retired since 1985. |
DonTX/KS (63.154.16.77)
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Nobody is attacking you or your ideas and dreams ggypsy, especially me. Being adamant that you can accomplish it is an admirable trait, and we applaud you for that. I think you are attacking the bearer of the news that there are problems to overcome, that apparently have not been invented yet. |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (209.128.99.4)
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Upset? Me?
Rolling on the floor laughing more like.
I implement new technologies in the automotive manufacturing Industry (Very Successfuly) for a living. Any assertion that I might be somehow "Holding Back" technology, is side-splitting humor.
A major component of what I do is to prevent users from going off on their own and trying to implement some goofy thing that they don't understand. Every time they do, I mean EVERY TIME, they underestimate the scope of work, cause more work and cost the company a fortune.
This is no different.
You mention Personal attacks and Misinformation.
1) Telling you that you are dead wrong is not a personal attack, plain and simple.
2) You are presenting things here that are not factual. That is misinformation. The only misinformation is coming from the "Electric Fan Crowd"
Now, why am I continuing this?
This is an informational site. People come here to find out how to do things. You guys come here and post things you've never done, using technology you don't understand.
If someone follows your ideas, they will end up devoting enourmous time and money, ending up with a with a Rube Goldberg system that eats Alternators, runs your batteries flat and won't even cool your system. Youre wasting resources.
Gary |
ggypsy (66.21.167.164)
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Haven't attacked anyone Don..just misinformation and na saying..this is a discussion board...most likely the best around...if you want to set your self up as the sole authority..compare apples with oranges ,or just spout to impress yourself this is not the place...I can still remember the times before BNO...we used to pay to belong to discussion groups...this place is great...Let the ideas flow and you never know what will happen.. gg..ps they speak english where I'm from and the meaning of words are all in the dictionary... |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (209.128.99.4)
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How does your dictionary define "Misinformation"?
Gary |
ggypsy (66.21.167.164)
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Gary go read my post and then read yours...you want to compare things in your own terms on your rules not logic and physics....sorry you lose ...you
cannot twist what I said and call that misinformation...your whole basis of reasoning is 1950's engineering, some of us have been way past that for a long time...gg |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (209.128.99.4)
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More nonsense. The facts are, you don't know what you are talking about, you haven't done this, you're making wild guesses.
Your position is based on a complete abscence of facts and data. My posts are the only ones that contain any data at all. You are talking to a guy that has numerous DC Motors on the shelf. right in front of me. None are from the 50's (Or 60's or 70's). My neighbors here, Jack and Kurt were part of the whole Electric car movement in the 70's (I am leveraging their knowledge in Battery technology), my other neighbor is a Nasa Contractor. I am surrounded by the exact technology you're talking about. It's "Ordinary" to me. Not "High Tech" or "Innovative". We call it "Surplus". We buy the stuff anywhere here in silicon valley.
I did not say you are giving out Misinformation, but I think you just did. You provide incorrect Data, and that my friend, is "Misinformation".
You are talking to an Engineeer. As soon as you identify yourself as one who is trying to "Win" an argument. Your position becomes instantly invalid.
It's like you're trying to tell a doctor to cure a bactrial infection with leeches.
I think you have to join the ranks of making tanks out of plywood boxes and Visqueen.
What a hoot this is!
Gary |
ggypsy (66.21.167.164)
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Win??? You still need to learn to read....you keep going on about motors and still miss my whole point..most people are trying to cure or help an overheating problem...the sorry you lose was aimed at your answer to my second post..everything you wrote ... want to see modern motors??? go to spacelink.nasa.com run electric motors...then refine to supercooled motors...welcome to my world...never said it was cheap .. |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (209.128.99.4)
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No, my communication skills are pretty good, I make my living with them, and I do OK.
This is a rehash of an old argument about replacing direct or Hydraulic-drive fan motors with electric motors.
Please read:
"...wish automotive 12 and 24 volt motors were avaliable reasonably priced in state of the art construction...."
sound familiar? This is from your first posting in this thread. You set the stage here, it wasn't me.
You dig yourself a deeper hole:
".. a modern 15 to 30 hp 12volt electric motor is just about the size of a gallon bucket..."
More nonsense, really more like a 35 gallon drum.
This is where I replied with actual measurements, of an actual motor, with actual horsepower and current ratings.
Now you direct us to go to nasa.com which is a well known redirector site that fills your screen with Java applets. (It used to be a porn site).
Now, you're backpedaling by saying this isn't even about electric Motors.
I must have missed the post where you were suggesting we do this with Genetically-Enhanced Gerbils.
Welcome to your world? What, the Si-fi channel?
Gary |
jim mci-9 (209.240.205.60)
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ok so you want to spend $25k to cool an engine with elctric motors.... now is the time to put your money where your mouth is....do it!!... if it works, i'm sure all of detroit will be beating apath to your door... |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (209.128.99.4)
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Hey Jim, I'm sure this is all being kept hush-hush by the same guys that kept the "Run your car on water" device off the market.
Gary |
Ian Giffin (Admin) (64.228.55.118)
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Hey... whoa... guys,
You are not the best, I am. So there. Nyah, nyah.
Now... lighten up. Yeeesh, already!
Ian Giffin
www.busnut.com |
ggypsy (66.21.167.164)
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just answering someone who said you can't do it ..And all it takes is cubic dollars??....roflmao...simple answer ...gg |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (209.128.99.4)
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I claim standard rules of debate.
Actually you've taken more positions on this issue than the Kama Sutra.
I say, within the frame of reference you originally gave, this is physically impossible, and you know it's true.
You just can't stand to not get the last word.
Gary |
jimm mci-9 (209.240.205.60)
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just like my ex-wife....lol....thanks Ian... i'm still laughing.... |
DonTX/KS (67.210.119.9)
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Wait a minute Jim, did YOU marry MY ex-wife? |
Ian Giffin (Admin) (64.228.55.118)
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Don't think so Don...
That sounds more like MY ex-wife...
The second ex, not the first.
Ian
www.busnut.com |
Richard Bowyer (Drivingmisslazy) (24.196.191.70)
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I beg to differ with you guys. I am certain my current wife has committed bigotry!
Richard |
just me (66.43.13.104)
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What a lively discussion!! ... |
Clark Cox (Twotyred) (66.141.211.43)
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Thinking outside the box coupled with information and experiece leads to great things...Hi-temp on my first real trip in my 'new to me' Eagle. Real problem, head gasket, rent a car, finish trip, now what!
Previous owner seemed honest about his decision to remove 'all that weight' and install automotive style electric fans thinking it would be sufficient for cooling. Unfortunately his health resulted in sell of bus before he really testing his 'experiment'. I'm sure he would have experienced the same fate as I, however, he would have had the old stuff to reinstall. With service manual in hand (read PICTURES)!, O.K.; build dolly, pull engine, remove heads, have Detroit inspect heads, injectors and install new coppers while I inspect and then reassembled engine, all the while trying to decide how to keep the Detroit cool. In my quest for information, I learned not to say Detroit and bus in the same sentence to local diesel mechanics. (kind of like asking for RV parts at most automotive parts counters)
Fortunately I live close to two hi-end coach manufactures so I went there hoping to learn the best most modern methods used to keep my rig cool. Their mechanics and engineers were friendly and eager to share. Sure enough, they had experience testing many methods of cooling coaches...and both were using the most modern, reliable and efficient systems available... MECHANICALLY DRIVEN FANS! Without exception they suggested the 'as built' design to be the best. It was there I learned about BusNuts and the rest is history.
I was led to RonTheBusNut, purchased the parts and restored the system to its original configuration. Now she stays cool and I didn't notice any change in pulling power or top end after 'losing all that hp' to run the fan. Have since installed RTO 10 speed, no more sweaty palms in the hills/mountains. I too like to think out-side the box but will keep original cooling configuration.
Been there, done that, got the (experience) receipts! |
Guy Bouchard (209.162.160.79)
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You just gotta love that TwoDogs, with one simple reply on a very innocent thread, look what happens. Keep up the good work Two Dogs.
Guy 4905 |
TWO DOGS (66.90.219.146)
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I'm really NOT trying to start trouble....I have my opinions,and other people have theirs.....lets have a vote.....what is cooling your PRESENT CAR.... |
John Noonan (Silvereagle) (66.133.223.79)
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OK But is the radiator on the side or in the rear? |
TWO DOGS (66.90.219.160)
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as long as it gets enough air it doesn't matter if it's on the moon |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (209.128.99.4)
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Um....Can't resist....
There is no air on the moon.
Gary |
DonTX/KS (67.210.129.56)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, November 14, 2003 - 2:30 pm: | |
Darn it Gary, this is a RELIGIOUS arguement, logic and fact does not apply. Isn't that what you said? |
TWO DOGS (66.90.213.8)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, November 14, 2003 - 4:10 pm: | |
UM THIS GARY |