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Laryn Christley (Barn_owl)
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Posted on Saturday, February 19, 2011 - 10:13 pm:   

Questions:

1. How hard is it to put a DDEC in a 4106?

2. How difficult/expensive to convert a DDEC to a MUI.

3. Advantages/Disadvantages either way?

4. Same questions with the V731.

5. Can you mix the two?
Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
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Posted on Saturday, February 19, 2011 - 10:17 pm:   

BILL?

happy coaching!
buswarrior
Bill Gerrie (Bill_gerrie)
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Posted on Saturday, February 19, 2011 - 10:23 pm:   

Buswarrior
I got you.
Laryn
look in my profile for phone number. We are same time as you. I have done both DDEC/ATEC and DDEC with hydraulic transmission.
I love it and so does Joe who has the mixed one.
Bill
RJ Long (Rjlong)
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Posted on Saturday, February 19, 2011 - 11:23 pm:   

Laryn -

Now whatcha got in mind for Wheezy Bus???

:-)
Laryn Christley (Barn_owl)
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Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2011 - 11:06 pm:   

Bill, what are your hours?

RJ, Wheezy said if it ever got a re-power it wanted a 6v92ta. Then it could be a Wheezy Sleeper! IYKWIM.
FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
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Posted on Monday, February 21, 2011 - 6:53 am:   

The DD series 50 is a modern engine and does fit.

330 hp and 1200ft lbs will move the Sportscar of Coaches delightfully.

GO modern!!


FF
Laryn Christley (Barn_owl)
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Posted on Monday, February 21, 2011 - 9:14 am:   

So they make a 50 LH rotation? Can these be found in transits? How much is involved?
Dal Farnworth (Dallas)
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Posted on Monday, February 21, 2011 - 9:19 am:   

Laryn,
There is no LH series 50, unfortunately.
The transmission for the series 50 would be the VR731 or the VR731R.
They have a reverser gear in them so you can use a RH engine.

Other options would be one of the ZF or Renk transmissions, but I don't know enough about them to comment.
Bill Gerrie (Bill_gerrie)
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Posted on Monday, February 21, 2011 - 2:01 pm:   

Laryn
I am retired so try anytime. Not after 9pm. We are on EST same as you.
Bill
Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
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Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2011 - 10:19 am:   

Series 50 with a VR731R in the Nova RTS here in Toronto. Lots of them stateside.

This vintage RTS should be available to busnuts now, having served their 12 years pounding the pavement. Start working the phones?

Remember, however, that this drive train still has commercial appeal to keep the remaining ones on the road. They won't be free...

happy coaching!
buswarrior
FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
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Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2011 - 6:55 am:   

A ZF 4 or 5 speed can also be had with V drive that handles the rotation.

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Laryn Christley (Barn_owl)
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Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2011 - 11:26 pm:   

I had the pleasure to talk to Bill today and wanted to publicly thank him. You can learn more in 5 min talking to him than you probably could in a year on the net. He is very knowledgeable, and was willing to answer my endless barrage of questions. It is passionate busnuts like Bill that make this hobby doable for folks like me.


With much appreciation,

Laryn (Lar-in)










(Message edited by barn owl on February 24, 2011)
L James Jones Jr (Jamo)
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Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2011 - 6:32 am:   

That's what this board is all about, IMO. Good for Bill and others like him...and I'll just bet it was nice to gather that info without humorous interruptions, eh??
Bill Gerrie (Bill_gerrie)
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Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2011 - 10:44 am:   

Laryn
Thank you so much. I enjoyed answering your questions. I get real pleasure from helping fellow busnuts like you. I wish when I started on my conversion back in 1984 there was a board like this. I would have saved thousands of dollars and not had to learn from my mistakes. Laryn don't hesitate to call me anytime and sorry I mispronounced your name but you knew who I meant.
Bill

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