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| Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
Registered Member Username: Buswarrior Post Number: 2084 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 174.89.177.214  Rating: N/A |
a question posted blindly in DieselChat by "rob" rob: I am changing from my 4 speed spicer to an HT 740 Allison in my 1977 MCI. Any feedback on if I take the whole engine and transmission cradle out or do I lift the bus and move/remove the transmission alone? happy coaching! buswarrior | ||
| joe padberg (Joemc7ab)
Registered Member Username: Joemc7ab Post Number: 502 Registered: 6-2004 Posted From: 66.38.159.33 Rating: N/A |
Easiest by far would be to remove the cradle and slide it onto a gurney. It would pay you to build one if you donot have access to one. Heavy angle iron, square or round tubing will work very nicely. Joe. | ||
| JC Alacoque (Jc_alacoque)
Registered Member Username: Jc_alacoque Post Number: 102 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 207.34.166.7 Rating: N/A |
I would pull the engine/trans out onto a dolly. Can be done in a day. Not that hard. Much easier then to take 4 speed off and bolt Allison on. While engine is out, other things can be done: fix oil leaks, clean up, paint, etc. JC | ||
| Luvrbus (Luvrbus)
Registered Member Username: Luvrbus Post Number: 1118 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 74.33.60.241 Rating: N/A |
If he is going to use the DD double cooler about the only to do it is remove the engine,changing the cooler is a all day job with the engine out lol | ||
| R.C.Bishop (Chuckllb)
Registered Member Username: Chuckllb Post Number: 1499 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 97.224.187.56  Rating: N/A |
Now...THIS IS bus talk...great questions..great responses; helpful, thought provoking, educational!! What a board...thanx bossnut and best wishes on all your patience...and endurance!!!  FWIW RCB | ||
| marvin pack (Gomer)
Registered Member Username: Gomer Post Number: 1386 Registered: 3-2007 Posted From: 71.55.178.71  Rating: N/A |
I had a man change one out and all he done was built a scafold [?],put it under the engine cradle,and pull the bus out and wah la there sits the engine and all. LOL gomer | ||
| joe padberg (Joemc7ab)
Registered Member Username: Joemc7ab Post Number: 503 Registered: 6-2004 Posted From: 66.38.159.33 Rating: N/A |
In addition to my above post, nicer yet is to have casters on the gurney and the whole operation done on a level concrete floor. If one of my computer whiz kids was at home, I would post a picture of the one I build, but they have all flown the coup. | ||
| Jim Sanders (Sandy)
Registered Member Username: Sandy Post Number: 52 Registered: 1-2011 Posted From: 69.199.96.250  Rating: N/A |
Gomer you make it sound so easy I want to pull mine ALAS NO Skid Bolted frame Joe why is it that when you need the whiz kids they are gone!!!! No kids no more JIM | ||
| marvin pack (Gomer)
Registered Member Username: Gomer Post Number: 1387 Registered: 3-2007 Posted From: 71.55.178.71 Rating: N/A |
The man pulled it out in about 2-3 hours. He was so small the he could almost get anywhere in the engine campartment. LOL He just unhooked all the lines,unbolted the cradle,jacked up the rear[?] of the motor and pulled the bus out and when he got the other end of the cradle he jacked it up on both sides and thar she be. gomer | ||
| R.C.Bishop (Chuckllb)
Registered Member Username: Chuckllb Post Number: 1500 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 97.212.210.84 Rating: N/A |
Tha 'twouldn't work in a Crown...amidships, pancake style mount ..wouldn't even try! In such case, if the coach were on dollies, front and rear, and could be moved sideways,...one would still need to "lift". Think about it.... Thanx Gomer...for the "encouragement". FWIW RCB | ||
| Mark R. Obtinario (Cowlitzcoach)
Registered Member Username: Cowlitzcoach Post Number: 217 Registered: 4-2001 Posted From: 107.61.87.10 Rating: N/A |
LA Unified had a cradle the power package of a mid-ship Crown could be nested in. Once everything was disconnected the bus was sent up in the air on a two post lift. As soon as the bus was high enough the old power package was shifted aside and another one shifted into place and the bus lowered down. As soon as all of the connections were reattached the bus was good to go. A complete power package swap in less than four hours. It took almost as long to burp the cooling system as it did to do the swap. Once everything was out anything major could be fixed without the bus being out of service for days. I doubt the new rear engine buses are as easy to service as a Crown. | ||
| R.C.Bishop (Chuckllb)
Registered Member Username: Chuckllb Post Number: 1501 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 97.215.130.133 Rating: N/A |
I would guess you are right about that Mark. I haven't had to pull engine or transmission, but have done lots of stuff"under" it, on blocks, of course. AND...one can work on both sides without "going under"! How did they lift it...on the beams? RCB | ||
| Mark R. Obtinario (Cowlitzcoach)
Registered Member Username: Cowlitzcoach Post Number: 218 Registered: 4-2001 Posted From: 107.63.169.48 Rating: N/A |
The bus was lifted on a two post lift with one post under each of the axles--a pretty common sort of hoist found in a lot of bus garages. |