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| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 560 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 69.171.161.47  Rating: N/A |
What is the best product for lining a fresh water storage tank constructed from aluminium. | ||
| Teresa (Happycamperbrat)
Registered Member Username: Happycamperbrat Post Number: 275 Registered: 5-2009 Posted From: 173.25.102.41 Rating: N/A |
fresh water storage tank..... aluminum? No such thing! You must imediately give it to me so that you have more space to work in and I will even be so kind as to trade you a plastic one | ||
| Teresa (Happycamperbrat)
Registered Member Username: Happycamperbrat Post Number: 276 Registered: 5-2009 Posted From: 173.25.102.41 Rating: N/A |
why a lining? last I knew we could drink safely from soda cans...... | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 737 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 72.211.145.15  Rating: N/A |
...all cans are sprayed with a plastic "liner" it's so thin you cannot see it. There's even warnings about Green Beans & Tomato products, the acids leach into the plastic & rust the can plus a chemical in the plastic leaches into the food in those 2 in particular. FWIW.. the aluminum water dish for the cats gets rinsed & filled every other day. Seldom does it get a "wash". The water in Stinkin Hot is so full of mineral that there are White crystalline deposits forming on the aluminum & from experience I know it's only a matter of time before those deposit's roots break thru to the outside. I've suggested to Fooey that he use an Epoxy, we have the perfect weather for baking the hell out of it so it ought to be free of stink after a couple of rinses. Powdercoat would be perfect but there no way to do an inside & get it 100% guaranteed perfect. I seem to recall an Epoxy being advertised in FMCA Mag or the like, years ago. Like gas tank sealer only inert. I assume Fooey Googled that before he came here. BRAT- I've tried that tool (You must imediately give it to me) before here on a split door window for an '06. If you wanna play in this sandbox, you're gonna have to get original material & work your own side of the street... Honey!  | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 563 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 69.171.161.47 Rating: N/A |
this tank is oxidizing and I don't feel good about drinking from it. for what it's worth I don't own anything aluminium that touches consumables. glass cast iron or stainless only. small neurosis. | ||
| Dave Walker (Chrome_dome)
Registered Member Username: Chrome_dome Post Number: 318 Registered: 3-2010 Posted From: 75.208.195.153  Rating: N/A |
George that is very wise. On a serious note (thats for Jack); My Mom who died many years ago from Alzheimers was told that Drinking or eating from Aluminum or even cooking in pans made of it contribute to the disease which they now know for sure. Don't remember what it was about it but they said stay away from it for those purposes. No Jack, don't send it to her to cook in it for me, Won't work either. Chromie | ||
| Julie Deiser (Emberglow)
Registered Member Username: Emberglow Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 216.137.231.88 Rating: N/A |
I discovered this product which seems like it could be good for sealing up a tank, or at least I hope so since I'm welding up my own.. http://www.sanitred.com/ | ||
| Tom Christman (Tchristman)
Registered Member Username: Tchristman Post Number: 291 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.218.33.156 Rating: N/A |
Considering I just ordered from Ronco Plastics my water tanks- 210gal fresh, 141gal gray, 60gal black for about $1,100.00 including fittings, it's just not worth the time and effort to make your own. But-then everyone has their opinion. Good Luck, TomC | ||
| Teresa (Happycamperbrat)
Registered Member Username: Happycamperbrat Post Number: 277 Registered: 5-2009 Posted From: 96.251.75.190 Rating: N/A |
seriously...... lol "seriously" Im in the market for an alu fuel tank and a total leach So you got a buyer if you decided not to use it for water..... anywhoo..... now that I think about it, I stopped buying alu pots and pans years ago because of them being harmful in cooking. Wow, all this time I thought it was the heat that combined with the chemicals and did something bad to food... thanks for the lessons guys! | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 739 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 72.211.145.15 Rating: N/A |
Chromie ol Bud, you are spreading a rumor it turns out (sorry, truth is stronger than friendship!) I did 2 mins. worth of legwork (or fingerwork as the case may be these days) There are differing opinions on in the lay world but according to these 3 experts..... it's just not true http://www.webmd.com/alzheimers/guide/controversial-claims-risk-factors and http://www.alz.org/alzheimers_disease_myths_about_alzheimers.asp and http://www.alzheimer.ca/english/disease/causes-alumi.htm the last ref is from where people's brains are frozen 9 mos. out of the year, you'll have to swallow it with a shovel of snow... (everytime I write Les I get more) | ||
| les marston (Les_marston)
Registered Member Username: Les_marston Post Number: 323 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 68.151.225.213  Rating: N/A |
George. Be careful what you use for epoxy on the tank! Aluminum expands and contracts a lot due to temperature. Most epoxy doesn't and is soon compromised. Anything that you line that tank with runs a high likelihood of failing around bulk heads. The only way to be sure that you are not leaching aluminum is to not use aluminum tanks for potable water. Second best way is to have a drinking water system (not just filtration) for the 3% of the water that you actually consume. DON'T dick with this my friend! If you want to do it right give me a call (Jack has my number) and I will explain how to do it. Les | ||
| ned sanders (Uncle_ned)
Registered Member Username: Uncle_ned Post Number: 103 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 74.235.104.83 Rating: N/A |
For goodness sakes don't use old truck fuel tanks. I will cause all sorts of problems. uncle ned ps don;t look under "HUGGY" | ||
| Dave Walker (Chrome_dome)
Registered Member Username: Chrome_dome Post Number: 319 Registered: 3-2010 Posted From: 75.210.208.197 Rating: N/A |
Chromie ol Bud, you are spreading a rumor it turns out (sorry, truth is stronger than friendship!) I did 2 mins. worth of legwork (or fingerwork as the case may be these days) Hey Jack did you get it or are you still doing finger work? Well as I said this is what the Doctors told us 14 years ago. And after reading your experts testi-money on the internet and saw a lot of many studies have been done but no references and the experts say??? Who are "they". No positive conclusions anywhere and even the Aleshiemer associations can not and will not say for sure. These are the same people who told us smoking cigarettes were not harmful to our health many years ago so Mr. "Bird from the Ice" I would further say that I will not use aluminum for those por-poises for myself and anybody who would like to join me is welcome too. Chromie (Message edited by chrome_dome on May 26, 2011) | ||
| Teresa (Happycamperbrat)
Registered Member Username: Happycamperbrat Post Number: 278 Registered: 5-2009 Posted From: 173.25.102.41 Rating: N/A |
Fooey, be careful of Uncle Ned..... he said, "I will cause all sorts of problems" umm, maybe you should reconsider giving me the tanks OR hide from the uncle..... Chromie, are cigarettes really bad for us? OMG! Maybe I should quit? Really? Hadnt heard that one before.... | ||
| marvin pack (Gomer)
Registered Member Username: Gomer Post Number: 1404 Registered: 3-2007 Posted From: 71.55.178.71  Rating: N/A |
PLASTIC PLASTIC!!! That is the only thing to use for drinking water. Use Plastic whenever and wherever you can including waste water because of the toxic fumes that are given off in a holding tank Whew, Glad wife wasn't here for this. LOL Gomer | ||
| Dave Walker (Chrome_dome)
Registered Member Username: Chrome_dome Post Number: 320 Registered: 3-2010 Posted From: 75.210.208.197 Rating: N/A |
T,OMG, Wow a Vegan that Smokes? Kind of a misnomer eh. Bus Bus Bus Chromie (Message edited by chrome_dome on May 26, 2011) | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 564 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 69.171.161.10 Rating: N/A |
my grey and black water tank are stainless but there is the beginning of porosity around the welds. Tom I am redoing this bus and if I can make my money stretch by buying me a couple of years with a lining product I have to go with it. maybe along the way a plastic tank deal will present itself when the time is right (penguin wisdom lesson) the product Julie suggested shows promise since it is flexible. as for the water that I will use for cooking and drinking that will by a separate set up isolated from my fresh water tank I am thinking 4 5gal water cooler bottles with it's own pump and plumbing to a dispenser by the kitchen sink Les I will call you. | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 565 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 69.171.161.239 Rating: N/A |
My grey and black water tank are stainless but there is the beginning of porosity around the welds. Tom I am redoing this bus and if I can make my money stretch by buying me a couple of years with a lining product I have to go with it. maybe along the way a plastic tank deal will present itself when the time is right (penguin wisdom lesson) the product Julie suggested shows promise since it is flexible. as for the water that I will use for cooking and drinking that will by a separate set up isolated from my fresh water tank I am thinking 4 5gal water cooler bottles with it's own pump and plumbing to a dispenser by the kitchen sink. Les I will call you. | ||
| David Evans (Dmd)
Registered Member Username: Dmd Post Number: 590 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 24.46.196.121  Rating: N/A |
its 2 late 4 george! oldtimers has set in already. | ||
| George Martinez (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 567 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 69.171.161.20 Rating: N/A |
NO NO say it isn't so Dave. | ||
| Dave Walker (Chrome_dome)
Registered Member Username: Chrome_dome Post Number: 321 Registered: 3-2010 Posted From: 69.99.129.147 Rating: N/A |
George; Not a moment before or a moment after!!! It will show up when it is needed. Chromie | ||
| Fooey (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 568 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 69.171.161.216 Rating: N/A |
Chromie I see you have been affected also. Or should I say infected | ||
| Teresa (Happycamperbrat)
Registered Member Username: Happycamperbrat Post Number: 279 Registered: 5-2009 Posted From: 96.251.75.190 Rating: N/A |
I happen to have plastic grey, fresh and black that are just sitting in my shed............. hmm, I was planning on using them on my conversion but I have to get the fuel stuff set up before I do the house stuff..... hmmm, Fooey! Chromie...... lmao!! It's ironic isnt it I think I might be one of the only vegan's in the world that smokes lol (and I dont smoke the wacky stuff either) It wasnt the health reasons that made me turn vegan (Message edited by happycamperbrat on May 27, 2011) | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 742 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 72.211.145.15 Rating: N/A |
I spoke to Mark at NA Powdercoating this morning. He does no recommend doing the inside of any fresh/potable water tank with powder coat. New-used or otherwise. Other Coating operations might have a specialty product for such a purpose but he does not. So much for that idea. | ||
| marvin pack (Gomer)
Registered Member Username: Gomer Post Number: 1405 Registered: 3-2007 Posted From: 71.55.178.71 Rating: N/A |
Just think, Fooey ,having old-timers, is meeting new friends everyday. I just wonder if he can figure which direction is home????? Maybe he will at least make it to my house HUMMM ?? Gomer | ||
| Fooey (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 569 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 69.171.161.115 Rating: N/A |
Teresa I sent you an email. I would like to get the dimensions of those tank I am going to take a trip up your way. I can bring the aluminium tank with me. anyway email me will ya | ||
| Fooey (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 570 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 69.171.161.115 Rating: N/A |
Marvin I look forward to your sweet tea. Mr Bill I got quotes from radiator shops that reline tanks for $200 each tank at that price I might as well buy new plastic | ||
| Teresa (Happycamperbrat)
Registered Member Username: Happycamperbrat Post Number: 281 Registered: 5-2009 Posted From: 96.251.75.190 Rating: N/A |
you got mail..... | ||
| Teresa (Happycamperbrat)
Registered Member Username: Happycamperbrat Post Number: 282 Registered: 5-2009 Posted From: 96.251.75.190 Rating: N/A |
Fooey, Im not going to mention names...... but I was just warned about you in private email. You should know I have a smith and wesson and dont forget my attack dog...... | ||
| Fooey (Foohorse)
Registered Member Username: Foohorse Post Number: 572 Registered: 1-2010 Posted From: 69.171.161.174 Rating: N/A |
Teresa consider the source. it's all lies. I did not forget your attack chiwawa. do you have hot sauce or should I bring my own | ||
| Teresa (Happycamperbrat)
Registered Member Username: Happycamperbrat Post Number: 283 Registered: 5-2009 Posted From: 173.25.102.41 Rating: N/A |
How did you say your welding is? Will this tank cause me to have a line of forest critters following me to Idaho lapping up french fry vo all the way? How do you test a tank to make sure it will hold hot stuff under pressure? My son informed me tonight that he would "never" trust my welding a fuel tank, so I cant be redoing it or he wont go with me in the bus. How many gallons is it? I'll get the dimensions of mine tomorrow. | ||
| Teresa (Happycamperbrat)
Registered Member Username: Happycamperbrat Post Number: 285 Registered: 5-2009 Posted From: 96.251.75.190 Rating: N/A |
hey check your mail | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 748 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 72.211.145.15 Rating: N/A |
Getting rid of kids anyway you can, especially when they make the ultimatum is a blessing for some.... just sayin! | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 1533 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 75.58.180.30  Rating: N/A |
Considering the cost and risks involved a replacement with proper plastic tanks might be better. FF | ||
| Brice Abell (Babell2)
Registered Member Username: Babell2 Post Number: 20 Registered: 12-2010 Posted From: 72.145.156.15  Rating: N/A |
"How do you test a tank to make sure it will hold hot stuff under pressure? " I would set up a pressure guage on a tank cap and give it a mild pressure test 5-10 lbs MAX If it don't leak then Good to go. | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 1535 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 75.58.180.30 Rating: N/A |
How do you test a tank to make sure it will hold hot stuff under pressure? The US CG requires testing of fuel tanks on an y boat that carries over 6 folks. They require MAX 5psi , the tank can deform (and usually does) but not leak. To pressurize the tank an 11ft long hose is filled with a funnel. The diameter of the hose does not matter , only the 11ft from the top of the tank. FF |