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John Lawson (216.93.229.36)

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Posted on Monday, May 31, 2004 - 5:32 pm:   

I have rust holes in the frame around the "D" window on my GMC 4107. I plan to remove the metal shiething that is riveted on the inside to gain better access to the damaged area. Is there any reason I should not?
TWO DOGS (65.179.208.139)

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Posted on Monday, May 31, 2004 - 6:46 pm:   

go for it!! just a couple square feet ,right?
mel4104 (208.181.100.41)

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Posted on Monday, May 31, 2004 - 9:33 pm:   

john just be sure that you block the coach proper as any metal that you remove will be structial as you have a gm and they bot have a frame. the engine hangs of the back and the plate around that d window is what helps to carry the load,so be sure to block the back end at the back bulk head and also the back of the enginewhere it hangs from the topsupport to the bumper,i removed some pannels on a gm transit which is similar to the 4107 in design and it did not take much removable panels before it buckled down the side and across the roof. do not be afraid of working on in just block it proper this means lots of blocking just to be sure you have them in the right spot.
Stephen Fessenden (Sffess) (65.154.177.106)

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Posted on Tuesday, June 01, 2004 - 12:29 am:   

I have driven a GM 4905 with the D window frame completely removed for several hundred miles. I don't believe this particular window frame is structural. The panel below it is. I did not remove the window frame myself. I bought the bus that way. GM recommends blocking up if more than two panels are removed.
guy bouchard (161.184.180.233)

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Posted on Tuesday, June 01, 2004 - 8:15 pm:   

I have the same problem on the 4905. I searched and found that you could get replacement panels made out of fiberglass??? but they would have cost about 1500.00 each. So I made some jigs and dies to manufacture my own out of 18 gauge steel. So far I have made a test one and it looks like it will be a workable solution. I'll update when the rivets go on.
Guy 4905
John Lawson (216.93.229.36)

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Posted on Thursday, June 03, 2004 - 12:43 am:   

Where do I find the info on where to block it. What are my alternatives? bondo? how do I make sure it isn't rusted inside?
TWO DOGS (63.185.96.233)

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Posted on Thursday, June 03, 2004 - 7:24 am:   

are you talking about sheetmetal skin,or tubeing framework
John Lawson (216.93.229.36)

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Posted on Friday, June 04, 2004 - 10:46 pm:   

The sheet metal pieces that are riveted over the entire inside front of the bus.
TWO DOGS (65.177.145.96)

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Posted on Saturday, June 05, 2004 - 11:29 am:   

just take the sheet off ,look the problem over...add braceing if it's weak...don't forget to fix the leaky window that caused it...I wasn't sure wheather you were talking about 'outside skin',or framework, or inside skin...
Stephen Fessenden (Sffess) (65.154.176.22)

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Posted on Saturday, June 05, 2004 - 9:49 pm:   

I believe you are supposed to block it under each bulkhead for each bay and under the engine bulkhead, both sides. But if you are only working on the D window and not the metal below the D window you will be OK.

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