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| Roy Childs (Rchilds)
Registered Member Username: Rchilds Post Number: 19 Registered: 5-2007 Posted From: 142.161.151.23 Rating: N/A |
Does anyone know where to get the black tape that MCI used between the aluminum siding and the steel structure of a 1987 102A3. | ||
| Jack Fids (Jack_fids)
Registered Member Username: Jack_fids Post Number: 981 Registered: 1-2009 Posted From: 72.211.145.15  Rating: N/A |
A strip of windshield "stickum" from a Auto glass replacement facility will do the same job for as long as the original held up. It is a tar like substance & comes in varying widths & is thin. FWIW or CALL LUKE @ US BUS..... | ||
| Gary Seay (Gdude)
Registered Member Username: Gdude Post Number: 76 Registered: 6-2010 Posted From: 74.124.97.78  Rating: N/A |
You should go down to your local Home Depot, go to the window and door section and ask to take a look at their window wrap. It is a Bituthene and or a Grace Ice and water shield. It is a thin membrane almost like the stuff you would find for waterproofing foundations. It comes in about 6" wide by around 30' long. It has a really sticky rubberized substance on one side and has a barrier on the other. I believe it is around $20.00 a roll, might just work at a fraction of the price. Just got done looking at my roll, it is 72' long (Message edited by G-dude on October 21, 2011) | ||
| Donald P H (Eagle19952)
Registered Member Username: Eagle19952 Post Number: 88 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 75.224.50.202 Rating: N/A |
Bituthene is ideal for waterproofing concrete, masonry and wood surfaces where in-service temperatures will not exceed 54°C (130°F). | ||
| Gary Seay (Gdude)
Registered Member Username: Gdude Post Number: 78 Registered: 6-2010 Posted From: 74.124.97.78 Rating: N/A |
I couldn't remember if it was a Bituthene product or Grace. It is a Grace product. It's only about 25mill thick and they use this for wrapping skylights, windows, decks, and a underlayment for roofing. I would think if this could go under black shingles, it would be able to take the heat. You can get this in 4" wide up to 12". Here is a link. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CBwQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.na.grace construction.com%2Fcustom%2Fflashings%2Fdownloads%2F26324_Guide-B.pdf&ei=UiGiTrLwMsWPiAKqu 5xp&usg=AFQjCNEdP9XXCNOzWts47jP96p5KaWmK1A | ||
| L James Jones Jr (Jamo)
Registered Member Username: Jamo Post Number: 218 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 74.67.218.12  Rating: N/A |
Some of the bituthene products will run if it gets hot. Great under shingles and in ice dam situations. We replaced a roof on a house we were working on back in the mid 80's. I had a chance to go back a few years ago and was in the unused attic space tracing out some electrical issues. When we reroofed the place, we stripped a couple layers of old shingles off, so there were lots of nail holes left in the sheathing. For evey hole, there was a stream of bituthene stretched like a string where it had melted and run through the holes. Not sure where it might end up in a bus. That was years ago though...maybe the stuff is different today. | ||
| Gary Seay (Gdude)
Registered Member Username: Gdude Post Number: 79 Registered: 6-2010 Posted From: 74.124.97.78 Rating: N/A |
You guys do have a good point. A guy wouldn't want to use something that has the possibility of melting and running out from between the two layers. This Grace window flashing is a butyl type substance. This was just a thought, I'm always looking for a cheaper substitute. Here is the number to US Coach 1-888-262-2434 | ||
| Dal Farnworth (Dallas)
Registered Member Username: Dallas Post Number: 752 Registered: 7-2004 Posted From: 98.20.60.176  Rating: N/A |
PL Roof and Flashing adhesive... http://www.loctiteproducts.com/p/pl_seal_rf/overview/Loctite-PL-Polyurethane-Roof-&-Flashi ng-Sealant.htm Only use it if you don't want the pieces to ever come apart again. | ||
| Dave Walker (Chrome_dome)
Registered Member Username: Chrome_dome Post Number: 403 Registered: 3-2010 Posted From: 74.41.14.235  Rating: N/A |
Sikaflex is what most use for an dissimilar metals so they don't touch.Heres a link. Chromie http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/search.do?freeText=sikaflex&page=GRID&engi ne=adwords!6456&keyword=sikaflex | ||
| R.C.Bishop (Chuckllb)
Registered Member Username: Chuckllb Post Number: 1604 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 97.215.124.109  Rating: N/A |
My vote is for Sikaflex 252...or if you are not into that PL Roof Flashing cement. FWIW  RCB | ||
| Donald P H (Eagle19952)
Registered Member Username: Eagle19952 Post Number: 89 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 75.224.111.180 Rating: N/A |
Grace Ultra Grace Ultra is designed to protect sloped roofs from the effects of wind driven rain and ice dams in applications where the membrane must withstand high, in-service temperatures for extended periods of time. This membrane offers excellent performance at elevated temperatures, in hot desert southwest climates or any application where superior heat resistance is a requirement. Grace Ice & Water Shield® HT Grace Ice &Water Shield HT was specifically designed to meet the challenge of these high temperature applications. It is an environmentally conscious solution that provides both confidence and design flexibility. The advanced adhesive technology delivers 240°F thermal stability and best-in-class adhesion in one product. NOTE:• Design flexibility: Can be installed vertically. http://www.na.graceconstruction.com/underlayments/download/GIWS_A_HT_6_Reasons.pdf Note 2 Check the adherant specs for metal,as the data applies to wood. I have used it the waterproof steam pipe insulation (outdoors,vertical at -30/-40*),but had to use a heat gun to activate adherance. (Message edited by eagle19952 on October 23, 2011) | ||
| Donald P H (Eagle19952)
Registered Member Username: Eagle19952 Post Number: 90 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 75.224.111.180 Rating: N/A |
I think the problem with SikaFlex might be IF you ever wanted to disassemble. | ||
| Gary Seay (Gdude)
Registered Member Username: Gdude Post Number: 81 Registered: 6-2010 Posted From: 216.67.42.138 Rating: N/A |
Thanks Donald for looking that info up. I use Grace here in Alaska for all my housing projects. It just seems like it would be a great barrier for the metals. I have never seen the stuff melt like the Bituthene does. (of course I build in Alaska) The stuff is thin and cuts really good and is clean and easy to work with. I wouldn't think twice about using it myself. | ||
| Dal Farnworth (Dallas)
Registered Member Username: Dallas Post Number: 755 Registered: 7-2004 Posted From: 98.20.60.176 Rating: N/A |
Chuck, how come you don't like the PL stuff? It has about the same strength as the Sika, is cheaper, has a longer shelf life and can be found at just about any BORG or home center. The nice thing about it is that it will seal broken windshield gaskets, doesn't require a space between pieces, glue air to water, and even work as a quite acceptable oil pan gasket replacement.... Just don't plan on removing it quickly. | ||
| R.C.Bishop (Chuckllb)
Registered Member Username: Chuckllb Post Number: 1605 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 97.227.196.47 Rating: N/A |
Dal...if you re-read, I stated "or PL..."... I have absolutely nothing against PL... have a lot of it in my coach. Use it regularly for lotsa' things. Cleans nicely with mineral spirits...even old stuff (after being scraped with a razor blade) comes off...and it comes in colors other than black. Biggest difference is working (sticking) time. Sika 252 is about 20 minutes working time, as I recall....PL is 24 hours+-? or so for curing. 35-50% cheaper than Sika. For windshield gaskets, there is another Sika product that will work more like PL; still as expensive  (Sika USA has the answer for that. Steve Padgett was very helpful to me, years ago; don't have a clue if he is still there). FWIW RCB | ||
| Roy Childs (Rchilds)
Registered Member Username: Rchilds Post Number: 20 Registered: 5-2007 Posted From: 142.161.145.226 Rating: N/A |
Thanks for the feedback. It appears most use Sikaflex and not rivets. | ||
| R.C.Bishop (Chuckllb)
Registered Member Username: Chuckllb Post Number: 1607 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 97.226.197.105 Rating: N/A |
...or both, as one pleases. I used rivets at the corner of each sheet(on top),,and have a rivet line along the bottom of each sheet. Used many different methods of "holding in place" till rivets at top were in...then lot of pressure via, once again, various methods. FWIW RCB |