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Glenn (166.102.69.69)
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The singing group that I'm with recently upgraded from a '59' 4104 (DD 6-71)to a '84' MCI-9 (DD 6V92-TA).
I've run Delo 100 in the '04' ever since we've had her. It's been MY experience that finding Delo 100 is a big hassle. It involved having to travel around 50 miles one way. The reason I run it was because the previous owner used it.
I don't think I'm going with Delo this time. I'm leaning toward SHELL ROTELLA T (40W). The main reason is because I can get it locally! Now I've never run SHELL ROTELLA before, but several of my friends run it in their "Big Trucks" with Chicken Lights. LOL
The reason for this post is I'd like to know what most everone else is running in their 6V92's.
Thanks,
Glenn Vining
Tallulah Falls, GA. |
Glenn (166.102.69.69)
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I just know the spellin' police is gonna get me for that.
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Glenn |
James Maxwell (Jmaxwell) (66.81.38.56)
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I have run Rotella 40; specs the same. I usually run Citco 40, since that is the most convenient for me to buy in bulk quantity. I've been running Delo 100 for the past couple of yrs. because I got a good buy on several cases of 1 gallon jugs. When that's gone, it's back to Citgo. Rotella seems to be more available in truck stops, when u can even find 40wt. |
Tony (64.215.196.123)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 05, 2004 - 1:14 am: | |
I have run Rotella In a 8v71 for about 16 yrs now, I did a bearing job on it last year and the bearings that I put In didn't look any better than the ones that I took out. |
TWO DOGS (63.185.65.208)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 05, 2004 - 1:29 am: | |
I run ROTELLA in everything,bus,Cadilac,bobcat,motorcycle,datsun,have NEVER had a bearing failure & always get long life engines...even have it in the power steering pump on the Cadilac...it has a leak in the steering box...stays in longer than,atf |
FAST FRED (4.245.230.177)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 05, 2004 - 5:18 am: | |
If the non DD oil's ash content is within specks , its RATED as 2 stroke oil , and is 40 wt , go for it.
There is a difference between Rotella , and Rotella T, be sure you get one that has the 2 stroke rating ON the can, not from the counter guy's tales.
50 miles , no problem , oil doeshn't age in the sealed 5 gal can.so buy 5 cans and it should last a few years . I buy the 5 gal for changes and the cases of gal for topping up on the road.
Works for me ,
FAST FRED |
ChuckMC9 (Chucks) (66.167.165.87)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 05, 2004 - 9:31 am: | |
Dogs, you're changing your story again. I thought you put brake fluid in the engine, rotella on the tires, chicken fat on the airbags and johnsons floor wax on the seats??! Aaaah nevermind... |
TWO DOGS (63.185.80.215)
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chuck....you sure are a weird guy, |
BrianMCI96A3 (65.40.153.206)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 05, 2004 - 10:04 am: | |
Two stroke rated oil?
That's a new one on me.
Oh, I get it, two stroke oil... like for weed whackers, and chainsaws!
Brian |
Jim-Bob (152.163.252.199)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 05, 2004 - 10:15 am: | |
That's oil rated for two-cycle Detroit Diesels which is different than oil for four cycle diesels. |
mel 4104 (66.119.33.135)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 05, 2004 - 10:41 am: | |
yes you will some find out if you have the wrong rated oil in a DD engine, your wallet will yell. the oil that they use in a cat or cum. 4 cycle is very different than for the DD. best not to change or mix and match, however the oil for the newer type DD is not the same as for the 2 cycle DD's |
Glenn (162.39.206.61)
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Hey guys,
Thanks for the replies. Unless something (or someone) changes my mind, I'm gonna be using SHELL ROTELLA T (40w).
Again, thanks.
Glenn |
FAST FRED (4.245.230.86)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 05, 2004 - 2:01 pm: | |
Siomplest method to convince you of the large differences in engine longevity from improper oil would be for you to log onto the DD website.
Or ask your DD dealer for "the oil pamphlet" for 2 stroke DD.
Caviat Emptor,
FAST FRED |
James Maxwell (Jmaxwell) (66.81.36.120)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 05, 2004 - 2:57 pm: | |
FF: I hear your msg. as to exercising care when selecting oil, however, from what I can gather from my reading of the available bulletins from DD is that their recommendations are largely based on developments and availability in the 60's and 70's, as they apply to 2 strokes. I remind you that DD has never refined a single drop of oil to my knowledge and that alone would disqualify them as a source of authority on the matter. I have read spec bulletins from Chevron (largeley the source for DD), Mobile, and Citco, and either one of them refine and produce oils that meet or exceed anything Chevron makes. I have not read the spec bulletins from Shell on Rotella, placing my reliance on the cursory specs of the containers. In fact, I'm not so sure that synthetics are not superior to all of them; at least Mobile and Castrol make that claim.
It is well established that ALL of the major refiners have at times in the past made unfounded claims concerning the quality and performance of their products, so I can't understand why you would just accept whatever DD says. Afterall, this is the same company that sold millions of pre-silver 92's that they knew to have internal cooling problems and continued to market them for the 4 or 5 yrs. that it took them to research and develop corrections. Agreed, their recommendations are to be considered, but they are not the definitive word and wisely would be scrutinized. |
Glenn (166.102.69.125)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 05, 2004 - 3:25 pm: | |
Well, it's seems like I got a debate started that I really didn't mean to do.
Like I said in my earlier post:
"The reason for this post is I'd like to know what most everyone else is running in their 6V92's."
Here is the link to the SHELL ROTELLA T (40W) web page:
http://www.shell-lubricants.com/products/pdf/RotellaTSG.pdf
Note that the ash content for this oil is 1%.
Usually whatever the brand of oil that someone is running is usually the best oil (for them). LOL
Like I said earlier, I'm looking for a oil that meets the requirements for a two-cycle engine and is not a pain to find. SHELL ROTELLA T (40W) seems to do that. So, I'm off to Wal-Mart.
Thanks,
Glenn |
madbrit (67.136.117.49)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 05, 2004 - 4:24 pm: | |
Jim,
I cannot believe what you just wrote. It is not the oil manufacturer that denotes which oil is required but the engine manufacturer. DD has specified exactly what oil to use in their engines.
This oil subject has been done to death far too many times, just buy the correct straight 40 with the correct ash content and be done with it.
I recently bought an old '57 Dodge hemi powered wagon and the last owner used 10-30 in it. That motor was designed for nothing less that 20-50 or a straight 30 or 40 weight oil. The engine sounds a lot quieter now!!!!
Peter. |
David Anderson (168.215.176.173)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 05, 2004 - 6:17 pm: | |
Yes, it has been debated many times, but I've never been able to find the CF-2 rated oil, just the CF-4. I'm in a rural area with lots of farm equipment old and new and none of the distributors carry the CF-2 oil.
I don't remember when, but it seems I read on the DD website that the CF-4 40wt would be ok in my 6V92 2 stroke, so I gave up on finding any CF-2 oil. Also, my local Chevron Distributor pulled out his catalog and showed me that the CF-4 superceedes the CF-2 as equal or better quality.
Of course that is Chevron marketing department talking, so what is a guy to do?
David |
David Anderson (168.215.176.173)
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I just went to the DD website and it only talks about CF-2 40 wt as being approved. It says nothing about CF-4. I don't know if that answers the Rotella question, but if it is CF-2, it should be approved.
That still leaves me in a quandry. I cannot find CF-2 oil, only CF-4. Do you guys have the same problem?
David |
Airless in Mississippi (69.92.6.103)
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Detroit diesel carries it... Not very expensive. |
steve souza (Stevebnut) (24.91.79.43)
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Glenn-I did see a study on the detroit two strokes and oil.
Make sure you use a straight weight CF-2 rated oil as the multi grade stuff causes cylinder scuffing.
I believe the study said it was the additive the oil manufacturer uses to make it multi grade that actually causes the damage.
The damage was quite significant while the straight weight oil showed nearly no wear at all!
Wish i could find that study.
Steve |
Don KS/TX (66.82.9.79)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 05, 2004 - 8:09 pm: | |
As I recall, the CF2 actually is in reference to 2 stroke engines, and the CF4 is four stroke. I would have to see in writing something that "supercedes" two strokes rating. I believe that IS true however in gear lubes, i.e., a GL5 meets all the specs of GL 1 thru 5. |
TWO DOGS (63.185.97.142)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 05, 2004 - 9:09 pm: | |
just because you see a report that some 'study' says this or that...don't ya' ever wonder if it's all B.S. remember,60 years ago,your parents told you there was a santa claus..everybody has the notion that "if it's written down,....it must be true.." what about that guy that made the study,so he could keep his job..
o.k. everybody,jump on me.. |
Tom Caffrey (Pvcces) (65.74.65.65)
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David, there are quite a few oils that carry the CF-2 rating; I just don't think that you have been looking in the right places.
If you want to get up to speed about the concerns with CF-4 oil, I think you can do it right here:
http://www.tejascoach.com/ddcoil.html
For what it's worth.
Tom Caffrey PD4106-2576
Suncatcher |
Tony (64.215.196.105)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 05, 2004 - 11:59 pm: | |
David
Cut and past this url into your browser
http://www.swri.org/4org/d08/DieslTst/dd6v92ta/default.htm |
busone (4.4.12.34)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 06, 2004 - 12:46 am: | |
I am not an expert at all but I do like to read. I have been a member of the DD 2 Stroke group on yahoo for a while. The oil topic has also been run into the ground there as well. Here is a link with sonme of the discussions. You will probably have to join to read it. If anybody wants me to email them the discussion I will.
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/DetroitDiesel/message/1977 |
FAST FRED (4.245.149.71)
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"so I can't understand why you would just accept whatever DD says. "
Cause DD had the cash/interest to run thousands of hours on their engine dynos and have a lab examine the results.
Weather some engine was a failure,and needed redesign has no bearing on proper lubrication.
Remember Harley totally failed at building Motorcycles and went bankrupt,
only to came back with forign redesigned failed design marketed as "Lifestyle" instead of motorcycle , and yet has STRICT lubrication requirements for their clunkers.
That GM failed in converting a car engine into a diesel on first try , makes NO difference to the real needs of your DD engine.
Many folks with the 92 series change out main & rod bearings as insurance every 100,000mi ,perhaps this would be a good maint plan if the "wrong" oil is selected.
FAST FRED |
RJ Long (67.181.211.253)
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Glenn, David (and others) -
Here is a copy of the recent exhange that took place over on the Yahoo MCI busnut's message board, complete with links:
Damon -
Your driver is NOT correct. Detroit Diesel has very specific recomendations for oil in the two-stroke motor (71s and 92s), which, in a nutshell is this:
Straight 40wt, API Classification CF-2, 1% or less sulfated ash content.
Oils that meet DDA specs are:
Chevron Delo 100 (NOT 400)
Shell Rotella T
To settle any arguments with your driver, download this free publication from DDA, and read Section 2.2
http://www.detroitdiesel.com/public/technicianguides/7se270.pdf
From Chevron's site, click on the "Data Sheets" link on the LH side, and type in "Delo 100" in the search box, which will also bring up a printable publication. Added bonus: Going back to the original site URL will help you find a distributor close by, since you don't normally find this product at Wally World anymore.
http://www.chevron.com/prodserv/nafl/wheretobuy.shtm
Shell also has a site you can play with:
http://www.shell-lubricants.com/distributors.php
IMHO, do what the factory recommends, not your driver. He's not paying for the oil or the engine rebuild. . .
HTH,
RJ
PD4106-2784
Fresno CA
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 5:08 AM
Subject: [mci-bus-nuts] oil for 8v 92
> Can you put 15w 40 in a 8v92?
> My driver has stated that this is the same as straight 40 weight.
>
> Also is there a difference between deisel 40 weight and straight 40 weight.
>
> Thanks Damon
David - Several months ago, we had another busnut who's Chevron distributor pulled out his catalog and said the same thing yours did - that is, until he was asked the publication date of the catalog. It had been published back in 2000 or so, back when Chevron HAD formulated Delo 400 for the two-strokes. However, since the Chevron/Texaco merger, Delo has been reformulated, and is no longer recommended. Print out those DDA publications and share them with him, (be nice, now!!!) he might be surprised. . .
Also, David, use the locator links for both Chevron and Shell I provided in the above commentary.
Glenn - Shell Rotella T is fine - just make sure you've got the "T" formulation - which you can get the data sheet for off the Shell link provided above. Remember to search for "commercial oils". . .
HTH, everyone,
RJ
PD4106-2784
Fresno CA |
Glenn (166.102.69.124)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 07, 2004 - 6:17 am: | |
Thanks RJ,
I had already been to the SHELL ROTELLA T (40W) page
http://www.shell-lubricants.com/products/pdf/RotellaTSG.pdf before I even posted the first time.
All I was wanting to know was how many were runnin' the Shell oil. LOL
I've already got the oil and will be changing it this weekend.
Again thanks,
Glenn
1984 MC-9
Runnin' Shell Rotella T (40W) |
David Anderson (168.215.176.199)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2004 - 5:50 pm: | |
I found Exxon XD-3 CF-2 40 wt at a local bulk distributor. It has .008 ash content, so it meets all the DD specs. Thanks for all the help.
Glen, good luck with your Rotella, and thanks for starting the thread. I always learn something when I read these posts.
David |
ED-NJ (67.85.226.217)
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I copied this from another board ,Thought it was fitting-
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I'm sure this belongs in the 'humor' section, but I thought you oily guys would appreciate it. It's my version of the Marine Corps Creed, "This is my rifle"
"This Is My Motor Oil"
THIS IS MY MOTOR OIL. There are many like it, but this one is mine. My oil is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I master my life.
My oil, without me is useless. Without my oil, my car is useless. I must analyze my oil regularly. I must use better oil than my neighbor who wants his car to last longer than mine. I must change mine before he changes his. I will....
My lube oil and myself know that what counts in lubrication is not the ramps we use, the size of our funnel, nor the color of our filter. We know that it is the oil that counts.
We will change it...
My oil is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weakness, its strength, its base stocks, its additives, its TBN, and its flashpoint. I will ever guard it against the ravages of high RPMs and short trips. I will keep my oil clean and ready, even as I am clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will...
Before God I swear this creed. My oil and myself are the defenders of my vehicle. We are the masters of engine wear. We are the saviors of my car’s life.
So be it, until there is no wear, but Peace! |
steve souza (Stevebnut) (24.60.226.230)
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some may cringe at this but i just put mobil one synthetic 15/50 in my 6v71.
It runs cooler,
does not smoke,
oil pressure is higher when hot,
and after 500 miles i can still see through it unlike the conventional 40w oil i was using which would turn thick black after a couple hundred miles.
I spoke to a guy via e-mail who has been running royal purple straight weight synthetic and he likes it but warned that it removes deposits in the engine and filters should be changed very often at first.
Anyone else running synthetic with good or bad results over a long period of time?
Steve |
John Rigby (65.112.227.94)
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Steve.
It will clean those rings up and they will work like they were designed to. By expanding and contracting against the sleave wall not allowing the oil past on top of the piston.Thats why it smokes less.and yes it will run cooler.
I run synthetic in my engine, tranny and rear end with no noticable major leaks.At least no more than I had with the other oils.
John |
Ole Bubba (166.102.79.167)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2004 - 10:56 pm: | |
"some may cringe at this but i just put mobil one synthetic 15/50 in my 6v71."
Well I'm telling ya rat now Steve, the "oil po-lice" is going to be looking fer ya!
Ole Bubba |
RJ Long (67.181.211.253)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2004 - 2:16 am: | |
Steve -
Just curious, does the synthetic oil you used have an API CF-2 classification on it?
I believe the Royal Purple brand does, not sure about the other synthetic brands. . .
RJ
PD4106-2784
Fresno CA |
Johnny (65.128.229.28)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 10:34 am: | |
Mobil 1 15W-50 IS NOT 2-stroke DIESEL RATED AT ALL! It's an SL/CF rating. The Delvac 1 is, IIRC, SL/CF-4/CG-4. No CF-2 rating anywhere. |
TomConnolly (64.58.196.218)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 5:54 pm: | |
I have had good results over the years with Amsoil (http://www.amsoil.com/) I use their products in everything that requires oil. The HD diesel oil (http://www.amsoil.com/products/acd.html) is rated CF-2 as are several of the regular synthetic oils.
Also the company is credited as the leader in synthetic oils (http://www.amsoil.com/company.htm) and has a lot of preformance data. (http://www.amsoil.com/performancetests.htm)
Tom C |