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Joe NYC (4.236.15.168)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 9:47 pm: | |
Hey everyone,
I just bought a 1968 4905, and in order to register it in my state (NY), as an RV. I have to tell the DMV, what the weight of the bus is with the seats taken out. I'm going to have to take it to weigh station. The question I have is, how much would it cost to weigh a bus ? Also, does anyone know how much an empty 4905 weighs? I would be thankful for any info anyone can provide. |
TWO DOGS (4.227.117.72)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 9:56 pm: | |
7.50.....it will weigh about 26,000 I think...take it to a big truckstop,or a grain elevator... |
busone (4.4.12.34)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 9:57 pm: | |
I don't know about NY but in OR you can weigh your rig for free at any state weigh station. They leave the scales on when they are closed and you can just drive up and weigh. Also your local garbage company might let you weigh it, the transfer station here as a scale they will let your use for a buck. |
TWO DOGS (4.227.117.72)
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dmv requires a printout |
Deacon (150.199.209.4)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 11:10 pm: | |
Most truck stops have a CAT scale, they will give you a certified printed ticket leagle for what you want, and by-the-weight (sorry, couldn't resist that), it will be broken down by axel weight as well. Just pull on the scale and stop at the speaker, when told to move go park and go to the diesel fuel pump desk, only cost a few dollars.
John F. |
john marbury (66.82.9.14)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 12:06 am: | |
I have a certified weight ticket for my 4905.
I weighed it when it was stripped out but before I started converting it. Don't remember how much fuel I had.
The weight was 20180 lbs.
John |
TWO DOGS (63.156.216.43)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 1:18 am: | |
wow...that's lite....had no Idea I was that far off...my Eagle weighs just short of 30,000....sorry guys...I love it more every day.......never found a woman like that....sure was fun huntin' tho............. |
Joe NYC (4.236.15.194)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 2:49 pm: | |
Thanks for your responses guys, I found a truck repair shop that has scales in the Bronx, where I will be taking the bus to tomorow. Aftre that I'm off to the DMV, now I'm curious as to what they will charge me for the registation and plates. Thanks again, it's great to know there are so manny other busnuts out there. This is my first bus and I couldn't be any happier, I hope it works out well. |
Jim Stacy (209.247.222.113)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 8:07 pm: | |
Be sure you get it titled as an RV not as a commercial vehicle. You might have to add some basic stuff temporarily (cot, coleman stove, ice chest) and have it inspected. Depends on the State.
Jim Stacy |
FAST FRED (4.245.212.59)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 5:31 am: | |
Some States use the Actual weight , some bill by the maximum it can weigh.
Be sure to use a rational number for the latter as a scale showing you overweight could be costly.
It gets worse , if your 25,000 camper is registered for 32ooo as the tires will allow , your REGISTRATION weight determines when your Overweight on a road or bridge , not your ACTUAL weight.
Beware!
FAST FRED |
John that newguy (199.232.244.19)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 10:35 am: | |
I dunno FF, but when I registered this bus here in Florida as an
unfinished RV, the gal asked her boss what to put for the weight,
since the 35,000 on the present paperwork was for a complete bus
with seats, racks, etc etc. Her boss said 20k since on average, all
conversions weighed about the same. And that's what my reg and title
now say: 20,000 lbs.
What they told me:
The reg and title has nothing to do with the carrying capacity of
the vehicle and it has nothing to do with "being overweight". They
will go by the amount of axles vs the weight you're carrying, if
stopped for possibly exceeding any road limit (The weight on the
paperwork is used for taxation purposes only).
Most states' laws look like this:
"The "legal" operating weight of a truck is determined by tire size,
the number of axles, and the wheelbase of the truck or the
combination of truck and trailer(s). Legal weights are determined on
the basis of the gross allowable weight for single axles and tandem
axles and the gross allowable weight for any vehicle, group of
axles, and combination of vehicles."
The type of driver's license required is based on the type of operation
the vehicle is being used for, not weight, brake power, etc. |
FAST FRED (4.245.230.115)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 21, 2004 - 5:24 am: | |
I too have a FL registration ,
and I spent the $75 to RETITLE the camper to 32,000 (axle limits)from 20,000 to avoid being overweight at the usual traveling 25,000 camping or 28,000 while transiting from summer to winter digs.
I was told the weight on the vehicle papers is what you had better NEVER be over , or your Overweight .PERIOD
Your point is rational , but it is the cops of 50 states and a million counties & citys, that will be deciding if you will help refill the constantly Empty local coffers.
You pays your money and takes your chances,
FAST FRED |
Jim-Bob (205.188.116.135)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 21, 2004 - 7:47 am: | |
But the weight on the registration is the actual vehicle weight, not it's loaded GVW. Since these are not commercial vehicles, they don't get weighed, and if ANYBODY has seen the DOT (truck cops) stop an RV, please respond.
I just don't think this is an issue. |
John that newguy (199.232.240.9)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 21, 2004 - 8:53 am: | |
Jim-Bob.... Thanks.
FF.... A cop can give you a ticket for speeding even if you were
parked. It happens and we're all aware it does. But that's got nothing
to do with what's correct, or how "good cops" do their job. And
it absolutely does not mean you must pay any fine if a "bad cop"
tickets you in err. The courts will decide that and they can't use
that "bad cop's" criteria.
If you get stopped after going over a 4 ton bridge and you pull
out a registration or title that states it's OK 'cause your bus is only
3 tons... it will cause you to be subject to an uproarious laugh followed
by a visit to the scales and a fine. And - if your weight exceeds what is
allowed for the amount of axles carrying that weight, you will be
fined for that, also. |
John that newguy (199.232.240.9)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 21, 2004 - 9:05 am: | |
Hey FF, while you're still here...
Do you know of any good DD/MCI bus mechanics in the
Cape Canaveral area? |
Niles (4.4.120.71)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 21, 2004 - 7:37 pm: | |
Go to tennessee - tag,title,registration = $32 - no weight declaration or scale ticket required - Federal law (no matter what any state says) makes it unlawful to exceed MANUFACTURER'S DECLARED GVW , GCW , OR AXLE WEIGHTS - most roadside and portable scales are checking maximum weights for the particular roadway with respect to its capacities for total load and axle load - your registration DECLARED WEIGHT is for purposes of taxation
Niles |
John that newguy (199.232.240.100)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 21, 2004 - 9:42 pm: | |
Hey Niles....
To add a bit...
1. "The federal law applies to Interstate and Defense Highways
and reasonable access thereto"
2, "States -may not limit- steering axle weights -to less than- 20,000 pounds or
the axle rating established by the manufacturer, -whichever is lower-."
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rulesregs/fmcsr/regs/658.17.htm
The States cannot limit weights to be -lower- than either of those two
criterias. They -can- allow higher per axle weight than a manufacturer
claims.
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/23/127Vehicleweightlimitations.html
Fed law and/or state law do not use the manufacturer's weights
as a guide to how much the vehicle can carry. If they did, we
would have 6 wheel dump trucks carrying 100 yards of gravel
travelling our roads. Manufacturers would be delighted to sell
trucks capable of carrying mountains to be used on local roads.
And I don't think they would hesitate to raise their limits if they
thought it would legalize overweight transport.
Howzat? |
Niles (4.4.120.71)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 21, 2004 - 11:22 pm: | |
True John -
federal and state MV codes are voluminous and its impossible to discuss generalities using absolutes - currently in fla , most federal and state regs are suspended with regards to private contractors providing supplies and equipment in aid to the victims of CHARLEY (including weight limitations and hours of operation) - but I was refering to each states/cities ability to set axle and gross vehicle weights on their roadways and federal roads when provided for in inter-governmental agreements (such as the maintenance , policing and issuance of overweight/length permits) as to limiting weights regardless of the vehicles legal or design limits , such as a bridge which limits total vehicle weight to 50 tons and no more than 15 tons per axle - that is a limit based on safety and design/condition of that particular bridge - currently a manufacturer could build and certify a 6 wheel dump for the 300,000# load you exemplified , but it would be unable to use the roads w/o special permit , and would therefore be inefficient to produce and impossible to sell - and no governmental agency (state,federal or local) is authorized to change the axle or vehicle weights set by the factory
Niles |
Niles (4.4.120.71)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 21, 2004 - 11:27 pm: | |
Excuse me - **correction** - impossible to discuss absolutes using genralities - sorry - niles |
FAST FRED (4.245.209.244)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 22, 2004 - 5:31 am: | |
One area where localities have declared themselves Emperor is in giving exemptions to THEMSELVES to allow 2 axle 40 ft coaches.
Most will meet the fed lmits empty but only by a fraction, and hardly if loaded.32,000lbs
For a converter this means if a 2 axle 40 ft "Suburban" is chosen the interior needs the highest tech in construction and material selection.
Even in water/waste tank size and construction.
Interesting challenge,
Run Legal,
FAST FRED |
John that newguy (199.232.244.239)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 22, 2004 - 8:16 am: | |
HAH...Niles!
Didn't I tell you I was King of the NitPickers?
Oh...and: "no governmental agency (state,federal or local) is
authorized to change the axle or vehicle weights set by the factory"
?? Not true there either, Niles. They changed my MC9 arbitrarily.
My title and registration no longer matches what the tag says. The
title in most all states, must match the vehicle.
I would gamble that the bottom line is closer to what Fast Fred said
in his last post: "localities have declared themselves Emperor ..
in giving exemptions to THEMSELVES".
The manufacturer's ratings have little if anything, to do with the
legal carry of weight. I would observe it, since exceeding those
limits would be exceeding what the manufacturer feels is the
safe limit for his designed vehicle. And -that- is likely based
more on an assessment of the legal ramifications (law suits),
rather than "safety" or compliance.
Through my early years, as many times as I had been stopped
while driving 10, 18 or 22 wheels, they -never- cared what the
"manufacturer's tag" said; They cared what the scales said and
what the legislation said. When I pulled that v12 Brock totin''
the 52 yard Steco dump body loaded with 72 yards of sand up
onto the scales, they couldn't have cared less about manufacturer's
ratings.
(picky, picky, picky, ehh?)
HAR |
TWO DOGS (63.156.216.28)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 22, 2004 - 6:07 pm: | |
how much does a henway |
Joe NYC (4.237.242.226)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 11:01 am: | |
SO, I had the bus weighed and it was 23,230 Lbs, with the seats still in it. Then I went to the NY DMV. It cost $263.00 for the plates and registration including taxes. It is now considered a "House on Wheels". |
John that newguy (199.232.240.158)
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Hey Joe.... Best wishes, man. Ya' done good. |
Joe NYC (4.237.245.104)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 7:48 pm: | |
Thanks John. I took out the seats and now I'm going to steam clean the inside, to try and get rid of he the musty smell. I still want to use the bus heating system. |
John that newguy (199.232.240.195)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 9:34 pm: | |
An in-law used to sprinkle nutmeg all over his basement to get rid
of the moldy/musty odor. It worked well! It made you feel like having
apple pie, but as long as you're not on a diet, it's ok.
I don't know if I'd want to steam the interior of my coach. That's an
awful lot of dampness to have to get rid of. Once it's pressure-forced
into every crack and crevice.. well.. Maybe add some bleach, ehh? |
Stephen Fessenden (Sffess) (65.154.176.5)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 11:11 pm: | |
An ozone generator will get rid of the musty smell as well as cigartte smoke smell. The one I use is a combination ozonator, ionizer. |