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| Bruce Henderson (Oonrahnjay) (12.77.18.165)
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Here's the proof -- I've just bought a Daimler "Fleetline" double-decker bus in England. This particular one has a Leyland O-680 (11 liter) diesel with auto transmission (I'd much prefer a manual but you take what you can). (This combo is supposed to be pretty reliable, for English built equipment.) One of the deals with these is that UK height standard is 14'4". 15 states in the US have a 14' limit and the other 33 ("Continental") states have 13'6". But there is a bridge in Newcastle that's 13'6" and a tunnel in Essex the same -- the main railroad underpass in Oxford is 13'5"; so if you can find a "low-height" bus from one of these locations (they're less than 1% of the population), you're good for the US. The plan is to do upstairs (33'X8', flat floor, less the small stairwell) as a luxury lounge at the front and master bedroom at rear with a closet block and potty, then a smaller room (maybe bunkroom) in the middle of the upper area. Downstairs will be kitchen and full bath. I've looked at the plumbing layout on the Winnebego website - anything unusual about a "two-story" drain system for a toilet upstairs into the holding tank via a drain pipe and a tie into the main vent? I've thought about a "urinal" only upstairs (for more serious business, go downstairs), but "The Management" isn't big on this. Any problems with a full toilet upstairs? It appears the best place for the one upstairs will be directly over the lower one -- I'd think that that would make the plumbing easier. Any tips (other than voluntary commitment)??? Thanks, Bruce Henderson, Wallace NC | ||
| Dallas Farnworth (172.138.72.103)
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Bruce, I believe that federal law in the US is 14' clearance on Interstate Highways and 13'6" on US Highways. These are minimum heights, although I have seen some less than minimum, not sure why. You don't tell us what the actual height of your bus is, but only allude to UK standard height limits. I think I'd look at some of the Leylands that are available here in the US for less than $2K and figure a way to roof the top deck over. Dallas | ||
| John that businessguy (199.232.240.244) Rating: N/A |
A full bathroom upstairs? With a toilet for "serious business"? I imagine the splash heard downstairs from an 8' drop of a good-sized "serous business" would be quite noisy.. possibly disturbingly noisy. Make sure you have a one-way vent, so you don't get the vapors from the lower unit and tank creeping back at you upstairs. Oh, and you might want to be conscious of what happens when the tank is full and you flush once too many times upstairs. It's been known to cause a lot of serious businesses to go public. | ||
| Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (68.79.120.182)
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Congratulations Bruce, you get the weirdest post of the week award. I don't see how RV toilets would be that much different than household units, however, marine heads would certainly take care of all issues. My grandad drove one of those for a local radio station, as a promotional deal. I fixed it once. Hmm....how do I say this.....Better you than me pal. Gary | ||
| ChuckMC9 (Chucks) (69.3.74.245)
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John, that was good for a real, legitimate, ROTFLOL! | ||
| John that newguy (199.232.240.244) Rating: N/A |
I guess that's why they call me "John". | ||
| TWO DOGS (63.156.216.46) Rating: N/A |
I might be wrong....when I was driveing a bigtruck (flatbed)...if you were OVER 13'6" or wider than 102" ...you had to get a permit,have each state figure your route,no driveing at night or bad weather and I believe no holidays | ||
| Bruce Henderson (Oonrahnjay) (12.77.10.127)
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++ You don't tell us what the actual height of your bus is, but only allude to UK standard height limits. ++ __. Sorry, I forgot. Mine is one of the Essex "low-height" buses -- it's 13'6". One issue is that the lower buses have lower headroom inside but mine has over 6' in both upper and lower "saloons". ++ John, that was good for a real, legitimate, ROTFLOL! ++ __. Yup, I thought so too! ++ Oh, and you might want to be conscious of what happens when the tank is full and you flush once too many times upstairs. It's been known to cause a lot of serious businesses to go public. ++ __. One of the drawbacks with these vehicles is that, to make everything fit, the lower deck floor is very close to the ground. No bays underneath -- I expect that I'll have to have separate holding tanks for the two systems and they'll need "full alarms". As I said, "The Management" is pretty well set on a full toilet/ washroom upstairs, although she's agreed to the shower being downstairs. But, then again, she got talked into the whole silly scheme so maybe I can talk her into real estate in Florida or something. | ||
| FAST FRED (4.245.212.59) Rating: N/A |
A simple solution would seem to be to install 2/45's with a 6 inch or so offset in the large drain line , just above the tank. "Solid" hits would bang against the two 45's before falling splashing into the tank. Good plumbing practice would be to use cast iron waste pipe (light weight these days)as it absorbes noise best. The Bedford's I have seen hacked the roof off the upper deck leaving a 3 ft rail , and used the up stairs as patio. FAST FRED | ||
| John that newguy (199.232.244.19) Rating: N/A |
Patio?!? But they had to keep stopping to pick up the Webber, didn't they Fred? | ||
| FAST FRED (4.245.230.115) Rating: N/A |
Nah , with 3 ft sidewalls the Webber would stay in place , as would the small beer fridge , and patio furnature.. Only hassle might be getting the water level in the hot tub right, so it won't slosh while cornering! FAST FRED | ||
| Jim-Bob (205.188.116.135) Rating: N/A |
Fred, "Lightweight cast iron"??? Is that like the "Lightweight granite" used in big $$ coaches? Or more like "Jumbo Shrimp"? | ||
| Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (68.79.120.182)
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It's a thinwall Cast Iron that uses "Hoseclamp" style hubs. No Oakum required. Gary | ||
| TWO DOGS (4.227.115.99) Rating: N/A |
never liked oakum..............hard to keep lit | ||
| John that newguy (199.232.244.50) Rating: N/A |
Prolly rollin' it too tight. | ||
| TWO DOGS (4.226.105.243) Rating: N/A |
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| Tom Connolly (Tomconnolly) (64.58.196.218)
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Microflush Air Operated Toilets: One and Two Quart Flush models. "Operate on compressed air, with gravity or pressure water supply. Toilets are configured as rear or downward discharge, internal or remote flush activators depending on model." These toilets flush up, down or sideways through 1 1/2 pipe, allowing you to mount the black tank anyware you like, and no splash sounds! Tom | ||
| Niles (4.4.120.71) Rating: N/A |
That violates the 3 rules of plumbing; 1)hots on the left , cold on the right 2)s**t don't flow uphill 3)and the boss is a m****** f***** LOL - Niles | ||
| John that newguy (199.232.244.239) Rating: N/A |
Tom...... There is something insanely scary about having compressed air pushing "serious business" from the toilet to the holding tank. Especially so, when all of the components of the system are made of plastic. I think I would much prefer to watch things disappear in the usual slow spiraling manner, -down- the drain, rather than with a sudden blast of air and a prayer things don't get stuck someplace between here and there... B L A M You'd have to yell "FIRE", cuz no-one's gonna' come if ya' yell "SH T" | ||
| Tom Connolly (Tomconnolly) (64.58.196.218)
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1st it’s a gentle whoosh of air not a burst, there is no pressure buildup because the tank is vented. 2nd pvc is rated at 10 times the pressure of the toilet’s air supply 20lbs – 40lbs. 3rd basement toilets have flushed up for many years this is nothing new! 4th these low flow 1 and 2 quart toilets have been used in much of California for years, I have personally had a Microphor air flush, standard size, elongated china bowl toilet in my 4104 since 1989 with out any problems or service! These are high end toilets and found in fine Homes, Bus conversions, Marine and Railroad. Learn more at the manufactures website: http://www.microphor.com/html/rec.html If a real head is out of reach there is always a porta potty: http://www.campingworld.com/browse/products/index.cfm?deptID=3&subOf=18&prodID=1667&src=TSC Tom | ||
| BrianMCI96A3 (69.34.99.101) Rating: N/A |
I bought a Microphor from that E-place to install in the 96A3 and can't wait to see some "serious business" disapear in a whoosh. Since I've dealt with plastic air lines holding 120 psi for years, I have a feeling that so long as I tighten all the fittings properly, I won't be needing to yell FIRE! Brian | ||
| John that newguy (199.232.240.52) Rating: N/A |
HAH... 120 psi...yeah... Hey Brian, how 'bout you aim the waste pipe out the roof and do away completely with a waste tank? "KA-BLAM" instead of that ka-kslush? Oooh, here comes another Brian proshitile? Kinda' like a scud missile.. (hee hee) | ||
| Bruce Henderson (Oonrahnjay) (12.77.123.226)
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== I bought a Microphor from that E-place to install in the 96A3 == __. The website if interesting but doesn't say anything about prices. Would you mind posting the price range for these units? Thanks, Bruce | ||
| busone (4.4.12.34) Rating: N/A |
I think I will make a simple cheap toilet. A ball valve into the muffler. |