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| busone (4.4.12.34) Rating: N/A |
When I heard this story on the news I just had to post it. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5820166/ | ||
| FishbowlBrian (Fishbowlbrian) (67.165.212.171)
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Just saw it, too. And another link... And I quote: "Some of the passengers suffered nausea and vomiting after the waste cascaded into their eyes and mouths and soaked their hair and clothing. Five went to Northwestern Memorial Hospital for tests." Nice! | ||
| ChuckMC9 (Chucks) (66.167.142.39)
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"The possible criminal charges against the bus driver..." Possible? Oh, I think so. No sh*t. Best pun I"ve had in months. | ||
| Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (209.128.79.46)
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As much as I love the hypocricy of an self-proclaimed bunch of environmental do-gooders being caught soiling themselves-- You have to keep in mind the doublespeak there and realize that they haven't shown that the DM bus did it. Be not easily led. Gary | ||
| Henry R. Bergman, Jr. (Henryofcj) (63.224.197.10)
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Could it also be eventually determined that the tour boat/passengers deserved what they got? Maybe this was just a payback for a bad band performance review? The mind boggles!  | ||
| ChuckMC9 (Chucks) (66.167.142.39)
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I don't usually get into these flame-prone discussions, but, a.) why should the tour operator refund their money? Not his fault! b.) Gary, it was an architectural boat cruise. So how does this make them environmental doo-gooders? (second pun!) Look out Brian - he's shooting for you! ;) c.) How could 100 gals / 800 lbs escape that quickly if the bus was moving? Wouln't he have to be stopped? Marc or some other scientist could figure out the physics of flow rate at linear meter flow rate at various speeds if he absolutely had nothing better to doo with his time. ;) | ||
| Stephen Fessenden (Sffess) (65.130.10.83)
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The bus had only to stop or slow down over the grated portion of a bridge for a couple of minutes to dump. A four inch dump pipe will drain 100 gallons very quickly. Human waste is not a joke. Human waste carries human disease. Being doused with 100 gallons of cattle or pig waste would be unpleasant, but probably no permanent disease. Those passengers are at risk for Hepatitis A, Hepatitis C which can be a killer some years later than the exposure, and many other human diseases that have a long lasting effect on humans. Occasionally, I see someone on the board suggest that it is OK to water the lawn with waste from their tank. They may be joking, but it is separation of people from their waste that has had a lot to do with increasing life spans. People who live in cultures where they contaminate their water don't live as long as we do. Unless it was an equipment failure the bus driver should be treated as a bioterrorist. | ||
| ChuckMC9 (Chucks) (66.167.142.39)
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I was thinking of the Golden Gate or similar bridge. I haven't been on a bridge where you could drive slow in a long time. Out in the country I guess. But I agree, Henry. This is not a non-event. Since it happened several weeks ago, it just seems like there's more to the story than the story the moronmedia has reported. | ||
| Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (68.250.175.218)
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FBB's Post came through as I was typing my response to the original post. The link that FBB posted gives some pretty credible references to THAT bus having done the the deed. Also: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/eo/20040825/en_music_eo/14795 Chuck--you misread me. the Dave Mathews band is very Eco-Centric, It is THEY that have soiled themselves. It's my opinion that many highly-visible performers emphasize their environmental conciousness when really, they're selling records and gettin laid. (Not necessarily in that order). The folks that got dumnped on in the boat is no laughing matter, to paraphrase what Stephen said.... It's serious Shit. gary | ||
| ChuckMC9 (Chucks) (66.167.142.39)
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Got it, Gary. Couldn't imagine why you might think architects deserved doodoo-gooding. I think FBB is one. My bad. | ||
| Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (68.250.175.218)
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It's the hypocrisy that get's me going-- If you're a tree-hugger, so be it. if you're an evil tree-murdering white male , then you're like Me. But don't tell us how you're working to save the environment and dump over a bridge. BTW: one of the gals that I work with has been on that cruise--she says she'll take an umbrella next time. Gary | ||
| Ed Jewett (Kristinsgrandpa) (4.224.96.51)
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Maybe they'll do DNA testing to prove/disprove that they actually did the dirty deed. That was really a shi**y thing to do. Ed. | ||
| John that newguy (199.232.240.86) Rating: N/A |
They cultivate farms with the stuff in Asia. Pretty old people... And right here, too! http://www.google.com/search?num=30&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&newwind ow=1&safe=off&c2coff=1&q=human%2Bwaste%2Bas%2Bfertilizer But hey... it's the same old | ||
| Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (68.250.175.218)
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As for asia-- That, among other reasons is why most of the flu-viruses start there. the link you referenced is composted waste, it's sorta disenfected. A buddy of mine makes air-dump valves for coaches. He says don't follow performer coaches. Gary | ||
| John that newguy (199.232.240.86) Rating: N/A |
Ha! I once had some kid dump the Eagle toilet in the middle of the Jersey Turnpike. At 80mph, that cloud drifted across four lanes. I couldn't even see the cars that were following. The bus got -real quiet- after I suggested we go back and mop it up. It's funnier now... | ||
| FishbowlBrian (Fishbowlbrian) (67.165.212.171)
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Nowwaitaminute… According to the few accounts I read so far, DMB is denying their bus was involved. One report even went so far as describe someone checking the bus in question and determining that the poo tank was still nearly full. From what I read, much of the “private eye” work was done by the boat passengers *after* the boat had docked and disgorged its reeking, pissed off passengers… who then went on a witch hunt to find the offending bus. I think the DMB would have come clean (with the puns again) by now and sent the driver packin’ if they really felt that he was involved… if no other reason than for good old American damage control. I suppose as satisfying as it might seem to castigate the band in such a brazen act of pure, smug hypocrisy (pause for effect) IF TRUE... no one in the band was even on the bus at the time. Let me stress again the IF TRUE part. Maybe the bus was the first the "tarred and feathered" group of angry architecture aficionados found in their tirade to find the dumping culprit. Despite being an architectural aficionado myself (well, actually, I'll design nearly anything to pay the bills), I'll reserve judgment on the band, the bus, and its driver 'til proven guilty... by someone NOT covered in crap. Yuck! Now I gotta take a shower. FBB | ||
| LA Bryan (63.197.32.204)
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Gary: Don’t let your desire to make political statements turn this board into a forum for mudslinging such as has made that other bus BB unreadable for the last week. I think if you had thought this through a little you wouldn't have been so misled by the flawed media coverage and could have avoided the needless political blather. Do you really think the Dave Mathews Band owns that bus and hired the driver? Not. Nearly all working entertainer busses for major talent are supplied by fleet operators who rent them on a periodic basis, complete with drivers. The bigger and hotter the band, and DMB is big and hot, the more likely that the band's busses are rented, not owned. The big performers always demand the newest equipment, which they can best get by renting. That may explain why there are dozens of 98 and newer entertainer busses available for sale right now. Smaller acts, gospel groups, etc. often buy the used ones as they want reliable transportation rather than the flashiest ride. Of course there is no excuse for that dumping incident, and the responsible parties should be punished. I don’t have automatic valves on my bus so I don’t know if this could happen by accident or as a result of equipment failure, but even if that could be the case, it seems like actionable negligence. However there is no evidence that I am aware of that the band using the bus in question caused, condoned, or even knew of the event. Everyone should be disgusted by what happened. But please, let’s keep politics out of it. There are lots of other sites where you can post political commentary. Let’s stick to busses here. Thanks. Bryan | ||
| Niles (4.4.115.210) Rating: N/A |
I have hydraulic dump valves on my prevo w/ cockpit switch , hidden amongst a bunch of others - It is highly possible that if it was that bus , the driver was distracted by traffic and hit wrong switch - sh*t happens -(sorry - couldn't avoid it) Niles | ||
| Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (68.250.175.218)
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FBB--the link you posted mentions eye witnesses and and security cameras. Fairly damning if true. If untrue it follows my original statement of "be not easily led". LA Bryan--You can stop wringing your hands. I wasn't making a political, statement. Actually quite the opposite. As I said, to each his own. But live what you believe. If you are an environmentalist, be one, If not so be it. I can't stand Hypocricy, I'll be glad to debate the merits of that stance if you like. If found to be true, he is on the hook. I can make some political comparisons, but I won't. Gary | ||
| BrianMCI96A3 (65.40.153.129) Rating: N/A |
Okay, I agree that there is nothing worse than a self-righteous hypocrite... but looking at this objectively. 1) The band itself was not on the bus at the time. 2) They asked their bus driver if he did it. (implying that if it DID happen the band had no knowlege of it when it happened.) 3) The driver denies doing it. 4) The band wouldn't care if the driver had spend time trying to find a dump station somewhere, they weren't on board at the time. 5) As mentioned before this bus was leased, the driver is probably barely known to the band, it's not like the bus driver is the cousin of the lead vocalist. I believe as the facts come in and a little better handle on the situation is had, who did the dumping and who knew about it will be made clear. I believe that the Band is mortified this has happened, and would likely have had any driver who did this fired instantly. Brian | ||
| Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (209.128.79.46)
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Holy crap. OK--My Points 1) if it's a media slam (Driver Denies) then of course it's got nothing to do with them, THEY deserver profuse apologies and retractions from the media (Yeah, right). That was the point of my first post in this thread. 2) there are many, examples of the head guy taking the heat for what was done by his hired hands, (Contracted or employed, no difference) that's the way things work. I wish it wasn't I can tell you, from my own personal situation. There are other examples of this in curent events, but I really don't want to have a political discussion. 3) I guess dumping over a bridge is common practice in the entertainment coach business. If you're so bloody Enviro-concious, you should be auditing everything in your business to ensure it complies to your environmental standards. We in manufacturing have to. We can document every scrap of miniscule anything that goes through our process. I think the enviro-performers should be at least as eco-friendly as us evil manufacturing guys, Hmmmm? 4) If the tables were turned and some right-winger had done something, inadvertently or not, that was contrary to his espoused beliefs, I would be just as quick to point that out. It's my understanding that Airdump valves are legal in private coaches, but the switches are required to be out of reach of the driver's position. Entertainment coaches are not subject to this requirement. My buddy that makes airdump valves, as I mentioned above, says not to follow performer coaches, it IS common practice in that industry. Gary | ||
| FishbowlBrian (Fishbowlbrian) (67.165.212.171)
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I think I read somewhere that the driver in question does indeed work for the band, and has so for three years (if memory serves). The bus was said to be rented, however. The Chi-town papers have the most up-to-date info on the ongoing drama. Now Mayor Daley is involved. Here's the latest FBB | ||
| jjj (172.145.18.97) Rating: N/A |
Can you believe the driver's name? | ||
| Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (209.128.79.46)
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HAHAHA Stefan A. Whol (sounds like Hole). I would agree it takes an A-Hole to dump over a bridge. LOL Gary | ||
| Stephen Fessenden (Sffess) (65.154.176.5)
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A nearly full tank does not prove the bus did not dump. Bus driver may have had an overflowing tank and wanted a little room so he could get to a proper dump station on the way out of town. The guy I bought my coach from admitted dumping a little on the grass on an entrance ramp from a rest area when he could not find anywhere to dump in the Orlando area about 10 years ago. He just needed to get a little room in the overflowing tank until he could find a dump station. | ||
| ChuckMC9 (Chucks)
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UPDATE: Dave Matthews Offers 100 Grand To Receivers Of Poop Monday October 25, 2004 @ 03:00 PM By: ChartAttack.com Staff Rather than wait around for the results of his DNA Test — a culpability crap-shoot if there ever was one — Dave Matthews is trying to make amends with the offended poop-ees in the lawsuit his band are facing. See, the state of Illinois is suing the lads for allegedly emptying their tour bus’ septic tank through a metal-grated bridge into the Chicago River. Or rather, it would have gone into the river, had a boat full of the Unluckiest Tourists Ever not been directly under the bridge, bus, and subsequent shower of human waste. Matthews and Co. were not in the bus at the time of the, uh, unloading, but since their driver denies the whole thing, authorities are waiting on genetic tests to deduce the origin of the waste in question. Since this is taking some time, the frustrated and environmentally-conscious band have offered a $100,000 donation to two groups that protect the Chicago River and its surroundings. DMB is also trying to reach out to the 100 sorry bastards that got dumped on, attempting to track them down through the boat’s owner. In addition to the 100 grand, they have been apologizing up a storm, just in case they are found responsible. A spokeswoman from the Illinois Attorney General’s office admitted the band have been trying to make amends, telling BBC News that her office appreciated "the gesture of goodwill," but that the donation won’t have any effect on the legal proceedings. |