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Marc Bourget (209.142.38.81)
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Came across a reference to a portion of Oregon's policy on vehicle registration and licensing that may be available in other states.
The following is cut and pasted from the Oregon DMV page:
An applicant who travels continuously may use a descriptive address of "continuous traveler" if the applicant is an Oregon resident but has no physical home in Oregon. For instance, an applicant who has just retired from an Oregon employer may present papers indicating he/she sold a home in Oregon and purchased a motor home. The applicant must also provide a mailing address.
A continuous traveler may give their descriptive and mailing address verbally without showing physical proof of the descriptive address.
Even though the continuous traveler is not required to show proof of residence address, the applicant must prove they are a resident of or domiciled in Oregon.
Onward and Upward
Marc Bourget |
John that newguy (199.232.244.9)
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Most places call 'em vagabonds and just chase 'em over the county line. |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (209.128.79.46)
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I am one of those.
I have a home in Oregon, but haven't lived there for five years, we will be selling it in a few months.
I will be taking advantage of that clause in the DMV regs.
Gary |
BrianMCI96A3 (65.160.215.73)
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Just leaves me with the question: If you don't own a home in Oregon, and are a continuous traveller boondocking somewhere in an RV, how do you PROVE you
reside in Oregon?
"Look, see this here is my receipt for propane that I got!"
Brian |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (209.128.79.46)
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I have actually never heard of the exact law that Marc is mentioning, but there are WAY more RV's registered in Oregon than have ever been there.
Also, you ever notice how many freight trailers have Oregon plates?
I see Freight trailers here in Michigan with Oregon plates that are not legal, because of axle configuration, in Oregon.
For many years, Oregon Vied as the RV capital, I think IN has won out though. One of the ways that RV salesmen could "Sweeten the pot" was to offer to register the RV in OR. this could be a big deal for a CA buyer, buying a $500K coach.
I think one criteria is that the owner can have no other permanent address, but that puts the DMV in the postion of proving a negative.
I think it's a "Turning a blind eye" to the whole deal.
Gary |
BrianMCI96A3 (65.160.215.73)
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Sounds about right Gary.
I can recognize a "blind eye" when I see turning my way! He he he
Brian |
Stan (68.150.152.113)
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I don't think the State of Oregon has any complaint. They would happily take the tag fees for every RV in North America. It is the other states that complain when they don't get their taxes and fees. For example, California will check southbound RVs on I-5 with Oregon plates and make the driver prove he is a legitimate Oregon resident. |
madbrit (67.136.111.28)
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So how does one prove one is an Oregon resident if one has sold one's home and is now a totally Continuous Traveller?
Peter. |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (209.128.79.46)
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Stan, I think the fees barely cover the be Bureaucracy of registering the thing. I don't think Oregon is turning a profit to speak of. however other states are losing millions (I'm not saying that's a bad thing).
Peter, that was my point about proving a negative.
Gary |
Henry R. Bergman, Jr. (Henryofcj) (63.224.197.10)
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My Oregon driver's license reads "Continuous Traveler". Getting such is quite a story in itself and the saga is not over. Not by a long shot.
Let's just conclude by hinting big brother did not want me to have such on my license and the ripple effect is still expanding.
However, since I caretake for a living, I do move around alot INSIDE the county of residence. I take the coach with me. Will advise. |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (209.128.79.46)
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I thought the discussion was about vehicle registrations, at least that's what the beginning post says.
I have no idea how Oregon would go with that (Having lived there for about 35 years) they are sticklers about drivers licenses (Not so, registrations).
If you asked me if you could get a license without a permanent fixed address, I would have said, not only no but HELL no.
I'd like to hear how this turns out.
Gary |
Henry R. Bergman, Jr. (Henryofcj) (63.224.197.10)
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Getting the drivers license was fairly easy since the local, professional, friendly lady at the local DMV was professional and friendly.
It's all the other stuff address related that is proving difficult, if not impossible, including, but not limited to, carry permits, voter's...
...registrations, physical address requirements for professional licenses, various insurances, etc., etc., More if you want it, but off topic. |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (68.250.2.76)
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I have three mailing addresses, in three different states, I've been fighting this problem for years. I'm closing up all my west coast commitments and consolodating to Motown.
It's the carry permit that has me puzzled, since a carry permit must be awarded by the county sherrif how do you work that one out?
Gary |
Marc Bourget (209.142.38.81)
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Gear Head,
The section I pasted was right out of the Oregon State site. It's a fact, as shown by Henry's post. Someone put sand in your gear oil?
Hear how it turns out? You're going to take advantage of the section. Is this a case of domicile or registration Schitzophrenia? LOL!
For a start, if you're about to sell your house, take the sale and escrow papers just before close, include your original deed from so many years ago, as well as your coach to the Oregon DMV office, show them the papers and point them to the Conversion. Explain that you're about to spend your grandkid's inheritance and let nature and bureaucracy take its course!
Sounds like an irresistable argument to me! What's there to doubt about this one?
Onward and Upward
Marc |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (68.250.2.76)
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Please go re-read my post
Gary |
Skip Sahler (24.19.63.207)
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The last I heard on registering vehicle in OR. was that one multi-question form that needed ALL YES answers asks if you pay Or. state income tax? |
Johnny (4.174.103.17)
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"I don't think the State of Oregon has any complaint. They would happily take the tag fees for every RV in North America. It is the other states that complain when they don't get their taxes and fees. For example, California will check southbound RVs on I-5 with Oregon plates and make the driver prove he is a legitimate Oregon resident."
Do they prefer to be greeted with "hello" or something more fitting--possibly "Sieg Heil"? |
Bulldogie (69.4.195.146)
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Living in Arkansas, we had a local District Judge who went to jail and is now a felon. Seams he bought a very expensive motor home and then did the Reg in Montana, (same as Oregon?) They busted him and made sure they made an example of him, last I heard he was trying to be a hunting guide but couldn't get a permit to carry a gun because he was a felon, so watch out folks hehehe |
Jim McArthur (64.28.60.134)
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My wife retired from Oregon DMV a couple of years ago and it is as marc says. However, we found that writing a check can be a problem when your license states "continuous traveler". The biggest problem was insurance. They don't want to hear "Fulltimer" "Continuous Traveler". So now we use the son's address in oregon and stay there part of the year. Much, easier.
Jim |
Richard Jones (63.80.251.75)
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Would one be subject to paying Oregon State Income Tax?
Richard |
Marc Bourget (209.142.38.81)
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The point was raised to prompt people to investigate their resident state for similar provisions. Gary, I did read your post but made a poor attempt at humor.
The post assumed proper compliance with tax laws. The obligation for a CT to pay taxes depends on the source of the funds, the nature of the activity and where the revenue was generated.
Typically money earned in AK from an AZ resident (not always) requires paying AK taxes but receiving a credit in AZ for the taxes paid in AK. (name examples only, I didn't research the tax codes by state.
I should have ended with a YDMV close (Your domicile may vary!)
The original post I derived this from went into more detail as to the requirements of obtaining a CT designation, but the criteria were pretty much subjective (whatever the DMV examiner felt was sufficient) so I didn't paste that portion.
Onward and Upward
Marc Bourget |
Gary McFarland (Gearheadgary) (209.128.79.46)
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To clarify what I was stating earlier, I can see them going for this for a VEHICLE registration, but I can't for a driver's license (And REALLY not for concealment permit).
In the case of the license, they have no way to track you down and collect for tickets, noplace to serve papers, etc...
As I mentioned, I've been living "On the road" for several years now, and this sort of thing has been a continuous hassle.
So, like I said. I'd like to hear how everyone does with having "continuous traveler" on their DRIVER'S License--In my experience Oregon has been a stickler about the operator's license, but laxe about registrations.
Gary |
John that newguy (199.232.240.239)
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I've been trying to follow this topic and keep getting lost.
When we sold our home in Massachusetts and came to Florida,
we full-timed in the RV. I took out a PO box and used the address
to claim residency. I registered and insured all vehicles to the PO box
address. For the State driving license, I have to provide an additional
"physical address" for their "internal records", but the license itself
does not bear that address. The physical address I used was
the RV park's address that we happened to be at, at that time.
I had been informed at that time, that the physical address can
be an arbitrary one, since it has to do with the computer system's
requirement and has little to do with taxation or licensing...or law.
I didn't argue with them and from what I've learned, it's always
been this way here.
Knowing that, why would one need a "CT" designation when
simply changing to a PO box might be a permanent fix in their
desired state? |
Henry R. Bergman, Jr. (Henryofcj) (67.136.241.239)
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Couple of things. First, I was told by the nice lady at the Sheriff's office that renewing a carry permit with a "Continuous Traveler" address is doable, only that...
...we will need to confirm that I live inside the County of residence. The second thing is that in Oregon, the address on your driver's license, as far as I know,..
automatically gets put on your vehicle registration cards. How my insurance agent is going to respond to this regarding coach insurance remains to be seen. Good luck. |