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Bob Baldwin (Bob4106) (69.132.81.70)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 10:23 pm: | |
I had a inner wheel bearing go bad the other day. I'm trying to take it apart. I'm finding that the axle won't come out. Because the bearing spun on the sleeve. It got so hot the sleeve cave in a good bit where the bearing rides. The axle only comes out as far as where the inner bearing rides. Does any one know how they take out and replace the sleeves. and if it can be taken out so I can at least save the axle. |
Tom Caffrey (Pvcces) (65.74.66.104)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:29 am: | |
Bob, I think that you should consider the possibility that you don't want to save the axle. It depends on what happened to the axle when the sleeve got hot.
If you call Luke at US Coach ((888) 262-2434), I think he will give you the answers that you need, and he will likely be able to furnish any parts you may need. I don't believe that he will try to sell you anything that you don't need.
Good luck.
Tom Caffrey PD4106-2576
Suncatcher |
Doug (69.244.108.42)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 7:33 am: | |
Bob,
Check and see if the 4104 and the 4106 share the same axle
I have brand new axles for sale |
John Rigbyj (24.174.238.253)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 8:30 am: | |
In our area we have services that come out and repair the sleeves either build up and machine to the correct size again.In Houston Tx they are called Axle doctors.
Maybe someplace like them could give you an idea on how to get it out.
John |
Bob Baldwin (Bob4106) (69.132.81.70)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 9:42 am: | |
Doug
I'll check in to that. If you can email me your address incase I need to get back with you.
Just click on my name here. |
Bob Baldwin (Bob4106) (69.132.81.70)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 9:51 am: | |
John
Thats what I was told by some truck drivers.I wanted away to explain to the repair people what type of rear end it is. (the closes thing to what kind of truck) So they got some kind of idea what they are getting in to before they start.I plain on calling Lukes tomorrow. I talk with someone there Friday. I know they have all the parts. Just CAN"T SEE KILLING a AXLE bacuse the sleeve is bad. Wanted some idea how it does come out because I can cut the sleeve with a torch. |
John Rigby (24.174.238.253)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 10:59 am: | |
I wonder how you can prevent getting into this problem.
Maybe with the heat gun check the temperature off the sleeve every 6 months or so?
When I replaced my rear axle race and bearing sets( got them from Luke, this way I know everything fits right ) I had some wear on the outer sleave you could feel the ridge from some movement the old race wore.How deep is to deep I dont know?
John |
t gojenola (66.58.192.10)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 3:47 pm: | |
Bob:
I don't know where you are located, but the type of service you need is the sort described here:
http://truckandparts.org/services_axle.asp
They may be able to direct you to another service closer to home.
tg |
TWO DOGS (63.185.65.11)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 5:14 pm: | |
maybe I read that wrong...but it sounds like you have a keeper inside the third member |
TWO DOGS (63.185.65.11)
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and I still don't understand the description...sounds like the bearing froze on the axel..get a troch & turn it sideways & cut it off ...even a little notch in the axel is o.k. the axel doesn't spin between the bearing & axel |
Bob Baldwin (Bob4106) (69.132.81.70)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 5:23 pm: | |
Two dogs
I had the axle out early this year. I changed the seal and brakes. Drove over 2000 miles from North Carolina to Canada. Went to make a little trip last weekend and thats when it went out.
Thanks for all the input. After getting with Luke's Monday about the parts. I'll see if I can find a place here in Charlotte, NC to fix the sleeve. I'll keep you all posted on the out come |
John Rigby (24.174.238.253)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 5:49 pm: | |
Bob Did you check the race and bearing when you changed the seal? Did you get a chance to look at them? Do you run in oil or grease?
John |
bowlingshoegiverouter (65.179.193.131)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 6:24 pm: | |
let me get this straight now...you worked on it...drove it 2000 miles and now the bearing is bad....sounds like somebody didn't back off on the retaining nut.. |
t gojenola (66.58.192.10)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 8:19 pm: | |
May be time to back up here, guys. I think we may be having trouble with terminology. The 4106 has a floating axle that should come straight out, but as I understand the problem, the Axle Tube (not sleeve)is damaged, warped, bulged, or something - on the inside enough to prevent removal of the axle. The axle is probably hanging up because the splines won't pass the damaged area. If I am right, this determination has been made with the hub still on the axle tube because you cannot remove the hub without removing the axle first, therefor any discussion of bearing/seal/race failure is probably premature. If my understanding is wrong, read no further.
However, it is also possible that ruined bearings and races have caused misalignment of the hub, which could cause the axle to bind, and prevent its removal. You might try jogging the hub with jacks or whatever as you pull straight out on the axle. Try pounding on the inside of the flange with a heavy hammer, or using a skookum good puller. If nothing else works, your only choice is to cut the axle off. This will allow you to remove the hub so that it and the tube can be repaired.
How you then get the other part of the axle out, and how you repair or replace the axle tube, I do not know, but there are professionals who do.
tg |
jimmci9 (209.240.205.60)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 8:53 pm: | |
pull the axle from the other (good) side... get a big bar... stick it in the good side.... drive the bad side out...then pull the brake drum, shoes, whatever's in the way... use a straight torch to cut bearing races,etc.. whatever's making it hang up... the part of the banjo housing that is machined to take the bearings is called a "load tube".... a competent machine shop can make another "load tube", cut the old 1 off, pull it etc... then install it...i've done it several times on the huge rockwell drop-in style rear ends used on oil-field tandem trucks... |
Bob Baldwin (Bob4106) (69.132.81.70)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 9:14 pm: | |
t gojenola
You got the picture. For the info the bearings are oiled. I checked the bearings and races on both sides. They where in good shape. But there was some wear on the sleeve or tub. Nut much could only feel it with your finger nail. Thats where the bearing spun and did all the damage. It made the sleeve or tub diameter smaller. Or caved in some so now the axle splines won't get passed that part. |
John Rigby (24.174.238.253)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 9:13 pm: | |
Bob,
After reading about your problem and remembering that two years ago when I replaced rear race and bearings. I had wear grooves cut in the bottom half of the sleeve or tube a lot deeper than you described.
So concerned today I chatted with several people with everyday experience in the repair and daily maintainence of buses and trucks. They said although the groove is though years of wear, with the wieght placed on the rear axle, the bearing should not spin.
However the front ( my front has no wear at all ) was diffrent as the lack of wieght on a badly grooved sleeve or tube could be a problem.
John |