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Fred Nelken (Faster_freddie)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2005 - 2:01 pm: | |
I'm thinking of changing the toilet in my MC8 conversion to an "Incinolet Electric Toilet" . Does anybody have any experience or input about this electric toilet?
I was on the wrong board (Flee Market), a lot of people gave input but, mostly for another type of toilet (composting, etc.) instead of the electric incinolet. Incinolet says they haven't ever had any problems with these toilets in an RV, unless the paper incerts wern't used?
faster_freddie |
Sojourner (Jjimage)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2005 - 3:46 pm: | |
It use 1 1/2 to 2 kiliowatts (1500 to 2000watts) per hour, said it all. 120v x 15a = 1800w….Yike! per flush.
Odor is defiantly a problem however good fan to exhaust to outside to spread else where. Hope it away from someone that is human. I have seen them in home & nooooooooo thanks. They had gotten uses to it, good for them. That my own 2 cent worth.
They include Catalyst but that only work at 800ºF or more, otherwise it will plug-up later after numbers of cycle. However it may be well engineered within to achieve it purpose. It does not pictured in manual.
Caution; Read “Party Stress” on page 2 & “During a Power Failure” on page 5;
http://www.incinolet.com/incinoletmanualhi.pdf
Only advantage is space-saver.
Perhaps the unit still cost more than complete wet system.
You still need two tanks & sinks & water to complete your convenience.
Do what it best for your need.
Beware of new good or bad experience to those never been there.
Hopefully, someone here on board can share their true experiences.
FWIW
Sojourn for Christ, Jerry |
Sean Welsh (Sean)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2005 - 7:50 pm: | |
Fred,
I posted this information twice on the other thread:
My experience with these is that you will need to run your generator for over an hour every time you use the toilet, unless you are plugged in. If that works for the way you use your coach you should have no problems.
Incinolet has not sold any of their units to the RV industry.
-Sean |
CoryDaneRTS
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2005 - 9:43 pm: | |
On the Incinolet....
I had done some extensive research as my plans were to install the incinolet in my RTS.
They advertise units for cabins, out-houses, marine(boats) and RV use. Each has adaptations for use or securing to the unit it is used in.
FIRST CONCERN:
It uses about 10 amps of current for each cycle. In most cases, that would be EACH TIME YOU DO POTTY.
If you were staying in a campground all the time, this would be ok, just don't tell the campground you have an Incinolet onboard.
It would work ok, sort of, for booning, but you would need to use the genset every other cycle, maybe less depending on your battery bank size.
SECOND CONCERN:
What bothered me about this unit was the fact that there is a lot of unhappy Incinolet owners and ex-owners out there.
One in particular emailed me. He did not slam the product, nor did he stick up for it.
He said that the unit does not always get rid of all the residue as advertised. As a matter of fact, the "pot" requires a bit of scraping when you empty the dust.
The Incinolet is not a "oderless" device. He said it had a kind of "greasy cooky dough" smell with something else mixed in. He says you have to get used to it but did not think the "neighbors" would be too pleased with it.
Another said that they installed in their boat. They had instructions from the company how to pipe the exhaust. They always had a smell and the pot never ever cleaned up. They were selling it to replace with a standard marine unit.
I had wanted the advertised "ease of clean-up" that this company portrayed, but in reality, what they advertise is what they "wish" for but does not come to reality.
If you ask them any questions, as I had, the company will tell you these people did not install the unit properly.
One of thier brochures shows an exhaust out the wall, exiting outside below window height. BUT they tell you that to eliminate smell you must exit at the top of the structure. THEY DON'T EVEN AGREE WITH THE BROCHURES.
After seeing these and other comments about this product, I have more or less decided to go with the regular RV potty and tank arrangement.
You need to do a lot of research befor you make up your mind to buy or not. HOWEVER, be forewarned that there are others out there that are not pleased with this product.
Good luck
cd |
Mike (Busone)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2005 - 10:26 pm: | |
After reading over the manual I was a little worried about the frequent warnings about urine leaking on the floor. I could just imagine my wife forgetting to put the liner in at 2:00AM. |
Brian Brown (Fishbowlbrian)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 12:31 am: | |
The electrical requirements alone are ludicrous. Smells? Scraping?! Ew!
Black tankage has been used successfully for decades. There are free dump stations nearly everywhere (knock on wood).
If God had meant poo to be burned up, He would have... Can't think of anything too printable.
Anyways, just "pull out the hose and cover your nose". It's what makes RV'n fun!
BB |
Derek (Derek_l)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 2:32 am: | |
MCI/FishBowl/4106Brian giving new meanings to the term lighting a fire under your *ss.
Seriously, 15 amp for an hour? What are they using, a blow dryer? |
gillig-dan
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 7:53 am: | |
I can picture going back to the salesman complaining about the smell. After careful checking of your system, he'd share his findings... "There's your problem, somebody took a shit in here" |
Tim Brandt (Timb)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 9:25 am: | |
I don't know if diesel exhaust temps are high enough but when I was a kid our family stick and staple had a system that macerated the waste and injected it into the exhaust manifold after it reached a certain temp. On a long drive we were always able to clear the tank |
James Maxwell (Jmaxwell)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 10:03 am: | |
I had the Incinolet exhaust system in a Hol. Ramb. I had (late 70's). They banned them after a couple of yrs. in use. Mine never worked efficiently and most of the time didn't work at all except on grey water. |
David Pinson
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 11:26 am: | |
If your conversion has a 13kw wrico generator on board......then the Incinolet works great...we have had ours for 4 years and have never had any trouble with it.....no odor...no mess...no trouble...juat the best disposal system there is..no black water tank to worry about....we installed the unit ourselves, following the instructions explictly....cannot understand all the negative comments about a great unit |
David Dulmage (Daved)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 1:05 pm: | |
A toilet is a device you will most likely want to be able to use at almost anytime, anywhere. My advice, FWIW is keep it simple; RV toilets connected to a black water holding tank are as close to 100% reliable as can be.
DaveD |
Cory
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 3:21 pm: | |
David Pinson
I knew you were out there. We had discussed the Incinolet at one time. DO YOU PARK AT THE CAMPGROUND MOST OF THE TIME?????
I am glad you are having good luck with yours. Unfortunately, there are a whole bunch of people out here that are unhappy.
Another thing that was brought up by one of the unhappy owners is that the Incinolet has a 1 year warrenty but after you use it the first time, they won't take it back.
Last time I looked, this item ran about $1600 for the RV model. Thats a lot to purchase to try and then have to throw away if it does not meet its expectations.
I had teetered on the decision to buy it or not with the INCINOLET people telling me it will do everything but windows and the actual owners saying NO IT WON'T. I almost went ahead but then I considered I want a bit of ability to park or boon, and then the emails came in about having to scrape the pot. THAT DID IT! I have the space for the black tank so it'll go in.
I have to say, if the INCINOLET would have stood up to its market advertising, it probably would have been a good deal, but I always did question the ability to flaunt the power that it had to use to run a cycle.
GOod seeing you again Dave
cd |
mel 4104
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 10:05 pm: | |
Fred for what it is worth i work for years where electric toilets were in place and i can tell you for sure they STINK after the first use and from then on even if they have not been used in years they still STINK. we blocked of the doors to them so no one could use them and the smell of them still got into the other rooms. if you want to know how the smell just scope a can full out of the toilet after it has been used and up it on the store and cook it till it is crisp and it is a smell that you will not want in your motor home.. |
CoryDaneRTS
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 11:45 pm: | |
(" i can tell you for sure they STINK ")
HAR HAR HA HA HA Ho Ho HE HAR
What he said! EH!
cd |
Mike (Busone)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 11:36 am: | |
Hey ma whats that cooking? Cookies? |
David Pinson
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 23, 2005 - 9:30 am: | |
Pardon me.....if used properly,ie.....liner in, trap door snapped open...then shut....then push the start button....absolutely no odor.......are there no other supporters of the Incinolet on board.......I like the system. period!!!!!!! |
mel 4104
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 23, 2005 - 11:00 am: | |
yes they look good and the write up on them makes them seem exellent but as i said they STINK, but as FF says do it your way.if you do i can just see the day coming when some one has just used it and now some one else needs to go and the cycle is only 1/2 done and they open it up to use,now the funny part. when this person throws up on the floor due to the smell and your wife finds out that the waste basket under the sink has been used and she starts hitting you over the head with a mop as the guys are taking you away in a white suit and you are yelling BUT I LIKE IT BUT I LIKE IT will be priceless . |
Vin (Billybonz)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 23, 2005 - 12:39 pm: | |
Fred, have you looked into the gas fired incinerating toilets. One is Storburn.
From their site:http://www3.sympatico.ca/storburn/products.htm
Because of ambient temperatures, ratio of solids to liquid and other variable factors that affect fuel consumption, it is more reasonable to expect 100 lbs. of propane to burn approximately 600 uses.
Down side is the footprint of the unit and no mention of "RV" use.
Bones |
CoryDaneRTS
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 23, 2005 - 2:35 pm: | |
Hey David Pinson
Nothing against you or your installation. As a matter of fact, I was so close to getting one after you and I talked, I designed the space for it.
Problem was I did more research, actually trying to find a cheaper one, thats when I found the disgruntled owners.
I also had power concerns if I were to boon with it. Even if it would work as per the Incinolet sales brochures claim, I would be in heavy conservation for power since an RTS has limited space for battery banks.
So My toilet will have a big space where it sits.
As I said, nothing against your application, I enjoyed our talks but the two above concerns swayed my decision back to a portable cesspool on board. (I hate dumping that thing, It STINKS too).
Hang in there Dave and lets talk again, I'd like to hear how well the hot seat works for you and if you boon with it.
cd |