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| John Jewett (Jayjay)
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For those who have sent obnoxious emails because you dislike my posts, I can only respond that your red neck matches your blue collar and that your ignorance of electrical facts is appalling. For the gent (ahem?) that threatened physical violence I can only say "When and Where?" My bus runs, and yours doesn't, so all you have to do is get froggy, and I'll come to you. Your local truck stop, MacDonalds parking lot, or your "F"ing front yard!!!!! I don't care...just say When and Where, and I'll be there. We can dance to your hearts content! ...JJ | ||
| Lin Rating: N/A |
Your post was intriging enough for me to try and look for past postings and responses, but I did not find any that met the above criteria. I'm still curious. Could you tell me which posts draw the offending emails? As far as your offer, I am of the mind that says, "If I'm not there, start without me." | ||
| CoryDaneRTS Rating: N/A |
Sorry to hear we have those kind of people around. They probably wanted ME, but my email is not posted. Besides, I ignor the static when I can. In a jumble of personalities like we have here, I hopes you can let it go rather than allowing the board to fire up. Rest assured, I may be argu-ative when posting, but I can't honestly see a time I would ever have the nerve to take it upon myself to send "unfriendly fire" through the Emails.] For what its worth! cd | ||
| Jim (Jim_in_california)
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<scratcheshead> Wasn't me! And I sure as hell wouldn't threaten anybody regardless...that's just dumb. | ||
| Pat Bartlett (Muddog16)
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I've known John for well, many many many years, between John and Ed i think they have probably 70 years of experience between them in the electrical field, and John's advice was given so as someone's family wasn't put at risk, I know people are capable of doing many things, electrical installation and practices when done correctly, are very safe. I'm sure that was John's intention. Take care......Pat | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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sorry to hear that....I had a few people say things like that... | ||
| John that newguy Rating: N/A |
JJ- I@n's been having a problem with someone at a fairly specific ip address. He may have cured his ill here, but it wouldn't stop the individual from sending private emails in the guise of a poster here. That is, to use the moniker/nickname of the "true busnut" he's disguising himself as. I've read plenty of posts at this forum for a few years now, and none would send me into such a frenzy, that I'd take it so personally, I'd want to retaliate. I think I'm speaking for all of us.... Send I@n the header information from the email. With outlook or outlook express, you can "right click" on the "header" you normally see, then choose "options". The screen will indicate the actual header information. Right click on that area and choose "select all", then right click on it again and choose "copy". Paste that information on an email to I@n. I wouldn't post it right here, since it contains your information also. | ||
| John Jewett (Jayjay)
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FYI Guys. I occasionally step on toes about electrical safety in coaches, because I hate the thoughts of some innocent child being burned due to someones ignorance. If you wish to do yourself in, by all means do so, but when you endanger someone else out of (curable) ignorance it is unforgiveable. As a result of recent posts several people emailed and said they didn't like my "officious/arrogant/expletive deleted" attitude. So be it! One poor paranoid soul claimed he would kick my ass IF he ever got the chance to meet me. So be it...I just think he should have the chance and am willing to go many, many, miles to accomodate him. Yes, you may get tired of my posts about using the National Electrical Code (in it's entirety) as a guide in building your conversion, but I have your best interest at heart. IF you follow it assiduously, you can be guaranteed a good nights sleep, knowing your family is safe, your insurance will be effective if there is a loss, and your financial future is secure from litigation. Mr. Bartlett is correct, (though I haven't seen him in many years) in that I have over 30 years in all phases of the electrical industry, many qualifcations and "parchments" and unless booted off by Mister Giffin, will continue to take people to task concerning coach electrical safety. Booted off you ask? Yes it happens. I took the moderater of another Board to task several years ago, and have been barred from it since then. I have no interest in dragging |@n into a petty squabble, since it's not of his doing. Looking back there were several uininformed (read: ignorance)"quotes" in that series of posts that I let slide without comment, since they were more or less innocuous in content. I usually only speak up when it is obvious that someone really needs assistance. The respondents of this 'Board all have your best interest, but many are ill informed, so take advise cautiously. Please...if you are uncertain, get professional help. 'Nuff said...JJ | ||
| DebDav (Debdav)
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Something strange in the Cheerios this morning? | ||
| Lin Rating: N/A |
It's amazing how things get charged up when electricity is an issue. | ||
| David Kurtz Rating: N/A |
Shocking, to say the least! | ||
| Lee Bradley
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...but is it well grounded in fact. | ||
| Bill Gerrie
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There is a lot of knowledge and expertise among the various people on this board for which we should be grateful. They are willing to share their knowledge with the rest of us to make our hobby as safe as it can be. We should not make ridicule of the answers just because we may not agree with their opinion. The person that takes the time to answer somebodys question so they can do the job the safe and right way should be commended and not ridiculed. Lets just enjoy our common interest. Bill | ||
| David Dulmage (Daved)
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The reason we are able to take electrical safety for granted (and often forget about dangerous side) is to a great degree due to the codes that have been written and adopted throughout the USA and Canada. These are the results of tremendous amounts of work by knowledgeable experienced committee members over the years. It's not possible to write standards or codes that are idiot proof but the ones we have go a long way to helping ensure our safety. That's my opinion, from a guy who has spent a great portion of his career in standards development and safety and performance testing. FWIW DaveD | ||
| Macgyver (91flyer)
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Well, I for one purchased a copy of the NEC 2003 or 2004 publication... but since I haven't actually STARTED my conversion yet, I haven't put the book to use yet... But yes... I believe also that when working with anything, be it plumbing, electrical, gas, or whatever... you should have a guide book of some kind with usable knowledge contained inside it. Preferrably, a code book of some kind.... But... um... It wasn't me. heh. -Mac | ||
| John that newguy Rating: N/A |
David- Re: "It's not possible to write standards or codes that are idiot proof but the ones we have go a long way " Absolutely. And common sense should prevail where a question arises if "the code" applies in it's absolute state. Nothing is written in stone. Vents can be run out a side wall, marine grade substituted for standard... Understanding the intent of the "code" is important. (there) | ||
| Bill 340 Rating: N/A |
JJ I am an electrical idiot, Would you still buy me dinner ? Bill 340 | ||
| H3 (Ace)
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Then you can buy mine!  Ace | ||
| FightingBusGuy Rating: N/A |
Heck, Lets just all meet some place and beat the hell out of each other | ||
| Jtng Rating: N/A |
Yeah, you're going to Iraq... See what you'll be missing? | ||
| CoryDaneRTS Rating: N/A |
I have alwasy kept peoples safety in mind when it came to coach wiring. YOU SIMPLY MUST DO YOUR HOMEWORK before you purchase your wiring. I WILL NEVER RECOMMEND EXTENSION CORD WIRING, no matter how robust, or cheap of price, that it may be found. You are dealing with your life, your families life and the poor soul that is parked next to you at the campground that your poor wiring just burnt down to the ground. WE SIMPLY MUST MAINTAIN A STANDARD of good wiring practices. Part of this is the code but it is not unlike me to suggest marine wiring. I believe it is supperior to wiring the code suggests. It does not deter me the fact that they never tested it for RV use simply to be able to add to the code. I constantly advise perusing the wiring charts for wiring distances and loading. The whole idea, when you get down to it, is SAFETY, SAFETY, SAFETY! May we build a better RV and SAFER than sticks and staples. We have the people here that can make that happen. We have the people with the skills that can make that happen. We desparately need the share of information to make this all work safely. This board has prided itself of the "Friendly" sharing of information and commeradery. Let us not cause any damage to the delicate balance that this board enjoys. cd | ||
| John Jewett (Jayjay)
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Full Moon ???? Lunch is on me...just say when and where !!! Cheers...JJ | ||
| Stephen Fessenden (Sffess)
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I wish the board had a listing of expertise after a name when someone is so highly qualified. A sailing bulletin board I am on does that. We have some contributors with unbelievable experience and qualifications, but it is hard to keep track of who's who. Shucks, a new person on the board might be tempted to disagree with Luke at US Coach. Code is, to me, a guide and a minimum. Common sense may dictate more stringent requirements or not using something that the code "allows". When my shop area was being wired by a good licensed electrician, the apprentice was the only one in the attic and he ran every romex over a truss nail. A truss nail is not like a nail. It is a sheet metal plate with sharp edges that can cut through insulation. The inspector said it technically met code. I crawled into the attic a pulled every one of those wires and ran it over wood, not a metal edge. It may have met code, but not in my house. That is no excuse to try to shortcut code. Just recognize that something may be legal that is still not safe, and do it better so it is safe. Better will also meet code. | ||
| Tom Caffrey (Pvcces)
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I agree with you, Stephen. I have seen a number of things allowed by code that I would not choose to do, if I am involved in getting it done. For what it's worth. Tom Caffrey PD4106-2576 Suncatcher | ||
| John that newguy Rating: N/A |
Aluminum romex house wiring comes to mind... (Gawd, I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks this way....) | ||
| Macgyver (91flyer)
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Aluminum romex? wow. I haven't seen that stuff even for sale in my area... **shudders** But... on the comment about extension cord wiring... I half agree. The typical light gauge stuff you buy on spools is BAD stuff to use for wiring up your home... But, on the other hand... I can buy 12ga or 14ga heavy duty stranded extension cord wire (not on spools, but in 25' to 100' lengths with ends molded in)... It's heavy duty stuff, and is very well insulated. Personally... I think this type of wiring would be better than the typical copper romex that many people use... and is considerably cheaper than other alternatives... And still very sturdy... But that's just my own opinion. The cord I'm talking about is about 1/2" diameter round. I don't remember the amp rating, but I think it's 15amp for the stuff I use out in the yard. I haven't started wiring my bus yet at all... so... it's not actually in use for that purpose. I'll do a bit more research when I'm ready to start that. Looks like it's going to be a while yet though. heh. Cheers! -Mac | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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I used "S.O." cord on my trailer lights running to the back of my 50' trailer years ago...neat stuff...HEAVY DUTY...oil & acid resistant...bought it at an electrical supply...somebody before me had used that ribbon stuff made for boat trailers (YUK) | ||
| CoryDaneRTS Rating: N/A |
Ext cord wire may have the load carrying ability but the insulation is CHEAP and deteriorates. Never ment to be in a wall where it cannot release heat from load, top that with the heat from the sun on the wall. Heat breaks down that cheap insulation. Bad choice, crappy old extension cords. cd | ||
| Bob Oakman (Bobsbus)
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You can bust my ass about electrical codes any time you want. I am not that knowledgeable and want to do it right. I have seen a couple burned out busses. Not pretty. |