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| ChuckMC9 (Chucks)
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OK, you of mighty intellect and wit, (well, mostly ;)) I've read a million threads about connecting stranded, (which I've done purest way) but don't remember coming across anything mentioning joining dissimilar types. My new HWH has solid 12ga hot & neutral pigtails which I desire to join to 10ga stranded. (ground is a separate lug) Soldered wirenut? Soldered inline crimp? [[[THIS IS NOT AN EXCUSE TO SOMEHOW MORPH THIS DISCUSSION INTO SOLID VS STRANDED!]]]  Nor is it an excuse to decry an elec HWH. I think I'm already having second thoughts at 2,000 watts, so propane may be in the offing at a later time. | ||
| Sean Welsh (Sean)
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Chuck, Regular wire nuts are fine (and code-compliant), and would make it easier to remove later for maintenance, etc. Just be sure they are engaging well against the solid -- this configuration has a tendency to just wrap the stranded around the solid in a spiral. For the best longevity, I would use uninsulated crimp butt splices, solder them after crimping, then sleeve with heat-shrink tubing. This is pretty permanent, so you might want to do all your testing, etc. with wire nuts, and come back to crimp/solder/shrink when it's all done, and you're sure you won't need to take it back out to run that last piece of PEX you forgot, or whatever. -Sean | ||
| Ron Walker (Prevost82)
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Just to add to Sean comment...use a juntion box, if possible, to make the connection in. Ron | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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I declare a morph...I wouldn't trade my electric for two propane.. | ||
| Brian Brown (Fishbowlbrian)
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Just to add yet more to Sean's... if you go with wire nuts, I prefer the wire nuts with the "ears" on them rather than the knurled kind. The springs inside seem to grab the strands better. Look on the box for your conductor sizes and # to select the right size nuts... either yellow or red ones, probably. The instructions usually say to strip a bit more insulation off the stranded side and pre-wrap them around the solid one a few turns. Then tug on the finished connection to make sure it "took". HTH, BB | ||
| Bill moldenhauer (Hotrodbill)
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chuck,the best way is to use a closed end connector also known as a pigtail connector they are shaped like a bell and crimped on, the wire range is on the box these will keep the wires solidly attached and are small enough to fit in the small junction compartment in the water heater also put a lug on the ground to attach to the ground screw | ||
| JOn W. Rating: N/A |
I'd opt for a terminal strip. I am sure wire nuts would work, but I have never seen them used in any application where something is moving, either a car, plane, truck or bus. That makes me think there must be a reason. | ||
| Lin Rating: N/A |
I have used wire nuts and never had any problems. There is even a weatherproof variety available. Actually, come to think of it, I have had butt conectors fail or corrode. Sometimes easier is just as good if not better. | ||
| don (Bottomacher)
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Wire nuts work fine. My excavator isn't the most inclined to spend money on his lowboy (it's the neighborhood joke), but his taillights always work, unlike many others. He uses wire nuts, and because of him, I do, too, on my trailer. Be sure to use anit-oxidant paste, and the connections will probably outlast us all. | ||
| Stephen Fessenden (Sffess)
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My six electic heaters have wire nuts. It was done by a professional converter so that they could be removed for cleaning and oiling the fan motors once a year. 23 years so far. But id you use wire nuts, be sure to continue to twist the wires together so that the stress point is moved away from the connection at the wire nut itself. If you just need to make an extension to reach a terminal strip, I would use wire nuts, twist the wires together beyond the wire nut and then tape to hold the wire nut in place and keep the stress point distant fromt he wire nut itself. If you are wiring next to the HWH tank, you might want to buy fiberglass electrical tape. (I buy my fiberglass electrical tape at a flea market, but I'm sure electrical supply houses have it.) Wait a minute. Don't you have screw terminals on the thermostat? If, so you can use the existing solid pigtails to pull the #10 wire over to the thermostat and save a junction. | ||
| ChuckMC9 (Chucks)
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Well thanks ghents for all the good advice as usual, and except for that ragamuffin TD, no big controversy! Stephen, that's a good idea - I'll dig around there and see if I can run direct. I'll be back to you all very soon with a question about load centers but better do some reading and refreshing my memory first...unless someone just wants to go ahead and tell me which one to get from HD for a 16-20 space 50A. When I browsed at HD looking at SquareD's, I stayed away from the Homelite and was focusing on the QO series. And browsing the Grainger catalog gives me crosseyes. But I'm being too impatient. Usually I overstudy issues to the point that the research/work ratio drops to an unacceptable level! | ||
| NewbeeMC9 Rating: N/A |
Mine has a breaker/switch on the wall of the bay by the hwh. but Ill be going to propane because I have one. | ||
| FAST FRED Rating: N/A |
The big problem with Electric cookin is its really SLOW if only on 120V--15A. Have just recieved a catalog that shows an electric range top that cooks 2X as fast with metal pots "by indiction". Have NO Idea IF this would work , but might solve a long term hassle. FAST FRED | ||
| DebDav (Debdav)
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FF: How did cooking get into this? The one burmer electric 'induction' cooktop is marvelous with the correct cookware. Low current, fast cooking by induction (magnetic). | ||
| Sean Welsh (Sean)
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FF -- Since you brought it up (though it is OT, I think), we happen to have an induction hob (as they are called) in our coach. We also have a two-burner LP cooktop. We use LP when we are boondocking, but we use induction whenever we can get power, even if it's just a 15-amp on the side of someone's house. The induction hob actually cooks better and faster than the LP. It is also much easier to get fine control of the heat. We actually use the induction cooktop whenever we make rice, even if we are on batteries, because we can get a much better simmer on it than LP. Our unit has a max draw of 15a @ 120v. We did have to replace all our cookware with ferro-magnetic type. It was a good excuse to buy one of those really nice All-Clad sets that I've always wanted anyway. FWIW, our hob is one of the real cheapo units, a "Mr. Induction" by Sunpentown, about $150. Houshold induction stoves were a flop in this country, so all the consumer brands pulled out of the market nearly ten years ago. To get a nice unit now, you have to spend $600 (one burner) on a commercial model. If Mr. Induction craps out on us, we will spring the bucks for a good one -- we can't live without our induction hob now. -Sean | ||
| John that newguy Rating: N/A |
I thought I read somewhere that cooking on an induction stove can cause cancer and brain deformities in rats and roaches? http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/abstract/48977/ABSTRACT | ||
| Brian (Bigbusguy)
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"I thought I read somewhere that cooking on an induction stove can cause cancer and brain deformities in rats and roaches?" AND that is bad how?? I dont care if some rats and roaches die . They have the same warning on some of the Locomotives I been in and I dont see engineer and conductors droping from electromagnatic stuff. Maybe from over eating or smoking but not that and most sit in there for 8 to 12 hrs. I would like more info on that Induction stove stuff . I was planning on a duel system LPG and Electric. Brian 4905 Klamath Falls Oregon | ||
| FAST FRED Rating: N/A |
"so propane may be in the offing at a later time." Was in the orig post so I figured this gent would be going to Propane cooking and fridge in the future to be able to boondock. www.CleverGear.com is the website of the company that sent the catalog. FAST FRED | ||
| John tng Rating: N/A |
Wuz just yankin' yer chain.. | ||
| CoryDaneRTS Rating: N/A |
Yeah, I heard the same thing. Those Electro transmissions from coils of the induction coils, a real health risk. The power companies have the same problem with their transmission lines that people have in their back yards, causes cancer I here. Motorola stock went down when it was reported that the transmission from cell phone antennas caused brain cancer. WOW! Does that mean that the wiring in our house is perferating us with electro transmissions to prematurly end our life? Amazing what people come up with. cd | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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not as long as you keep that tin foil hat on cory | ||
| Lin Rating: N/A |
Regardless of your tin foil hat, I would research affects of strong magnetic fields before living in one. Lots of people seem to believe that invisible, imperceptible things can't hurt them. I know of cases where workers ignored warnings on chemicals they routinely used and ended up with neurological damage. The Russians used to (if they don't now) bombard the US embassy there with microwaves in a spy technology. The embassy staff there had a very high incidence of cancer/leukemia. I don't know if that cook top qualifies as an issue, but it may be good to precede ridicule with some research. I do not know much about the subject, but I do know that I felt the effects of a recent MRI for hours after it was over. Anyway, if you think that all this is hooey, I've got a house to sell you near Chernobyl. | ||
| John that newguy Rating: N/A |
Lin- Good grief. Another morphed thread! Just a thought you should take into consideration...... The power companies all used a product similar to "agent orange" as a defoliant along power line right of ways to control brush and tree growth. Both the power and telecommunication companies that shared the pole runs, used the same substance. To make matter more complex, the earlier transformers used by the electric power companies were oil filled... PCB laden oil, that is. and they leaked all over the place. And to further add to the complexities... the telecommunications companies used lead cased cable during their earlier years, that oxidized and added lead to the surrounding areas. The idea of "magnetic fields" causing cancer may be more of a "red herring" promoted by those that wish to delay the finding of the real cause... Cancer causing factors take an average of twenty years to give any indication (by a cancerous condition), and by that time, many other factors would have to be considered in the victims lifestyle, in any litigation against the industry. Aside from that. I sure hope you have a nice day. HAR. | ||
| Lin Rating: N/A |
Yes John, this is know doubt very complex, and I would not say the electromagnetic fields are proven to be harmful. However, I would also not say that they are beyond consideration. I merely said that one should do their research and draw their own conclusions. Personally though, I would not buy a house under a massive transmission line or the like. When I was growing up anyone that questioned the beauty of industrial pollution or suggested that it could be harmful was considered a commie crackpot. Even I thought that way. Now I try to be a little more open minded about things I don't really know. I am also less trusting to the authorities that assure me that all is well. Once, when I lived in an agricultural area, our house was enveloped in a crop duster's spray. I called the county to complain, and was not to worry, that it was only the smell that was reaching me and not the poison. By the way, morphs can be fun. | ||
| John that newguy Rating: N/A |
Re: "only the smell that was reaching me and not the poison" Har! Yeah, well maybe the poison would be a welcomed relief from the stench! You should sit next to my brother-in-law after a meatloaf dinner... Some large corporations have become so entangled into the political system, they managed to receive shelter from the harm they cause. Convincing the Gov and the public that "frivolous lawsuits" and "runaway court settlements" are causing them to lose too much money, is just another big leap for them. Legislation that prevents you or me from fighting back and making them pay for their callous disregard for the public's safety, is a disgrace. There. Another morphed thread containing personal non-bus ranting. | ||
| niles steckbauer (Niles500)
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JTNG - I believe you were talking about 'PARAQUAT' in above post - really nasty stuff - the US gov was providing it to central and south american countries to spray on pot and coca - the natives harvest the plants any way - another reason why drugs can kill you - Niles | ||
| FAST FRED Rating: N/A |
"Convincing the Gov and the public that "frivolous lawsuits" and "runaway court settlements" are causing them to lose too much money," WOW! ya mean I can't go for a ride in a grand kids new sports car with hot coffee in my lap and SUE Mc D for everyone on the planet that might have gotten a cup of hot coffee?? O Shame! Guess I'll have to just work for a living , rather than sue. BUMMER , I had the 8 million spent already, and was on my way to one of the 3 Imbecile courts in the US that were the door to the Gold Mine. FAST FRED | ||
| Pat Bartlett (Muddog16)
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Its a proven fact, that Rats living in a laboratory environment eating their weight daily in FCBS, is hazardous to their health............ | ||
| Peter Broadribb (Madbrit)
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If magnetic fields are meant to be harmful, why do so many people get relief from joint pain by wearing copper and/or magnetic bracelets and strapping magnets on various parts of their body. Or is an electomagnetic field different to a natural one? Peter. | ||
| John that newguy Rating: N/A |
Probably for the same reason my tinfoil hat helps me, Pete. | ||
| FAST FRED Rating: N/A |
WOW,,,, real "tinfoil" , all our local shop has is aluminum . FAST FRED |