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| Macgyver (91flyer)
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"web site removed by moderator as a dead link or inappropriate material" Scary. -Mac | ||
| Ed (Ednj)
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That link takes me right to GOOGLE? | ||
| Macgyver (91flyer)
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Odd. It worked for me, but now doesn't... here's the page link... http://www.m90.org/view_image.php?image_id=5311 -Mac | ||
| Macgyver (91flyer)
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Sorry for the other content... I don't have another link for this video... (Trying for blue link again) "web site removed by moderator as a dead link or inappropriate material" -Mac | ||
| Mike (Busone)
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Worked for me just fine. What a nasty wreck. Do you know where this was? | ||
| Henry R. Bergman, Jr. (Henryofcj)
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Worked fine for me also. Thank you very much. I can NOT believe that tan car pulled right out in front of the bus. Was he blind or something? Thanks again. Hope no one was hurt too bad. | ||
| niles steckbauer (Niles500)
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Then it sped away from the scene of the accident - Hope they caught him - | ||
| Macgyver (91flyer)
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Yea... when he sped away with the cop right there watching him... I was pretty flabberghasted. I was even more surprised that the cop didn't take after him right there.... The vid was from a police cruiser I think.... No idea where. Somewhere overseas... but still... geez. Bad wreck, either way. If it were me, I'd have plowed into the back of the car rather than swerve on wet roads with a bus. To hell with the guy that pulls out in front of me like that! -Mac | ||
| Sean Welsh (Sean)
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Umm, I think you're not correct about there being a cop right there. This looks very much like a fixed camera position, which is very common in Europe. The names at the top would indicate this is on a highway somewhere in Turkey, near or in Akhisar. The name suggests a fixed highway traffic camera position in that area. It is not uncommon in that part of the world for citations to show up in the mail based on radar information from such cameras. Doesn't look like the resolution here is good enough to read the license number of the offending car, but it's hard to tell. I note the image gets blurry just as the offending car (looks like a yellow Volvo?) gets in license-range of the camera, so whoever released the tape may have intentionally blurred it out, as they do, for example, on "Cops." All that being said, I would put a great deal of the responsibility for this squarely on the bus driver. Video is deceiving, but, as a former motorcycle safety professional, I have a good deal of experience watching drivers heading straight for me and discerning what the driver is doing (based on vehicle behavior, such as nose-diving). It appears here that there was considerable space in front of the bus when the Volvo pulled out in front of him. A good couple seconds pass before the driver reacts (and good reaction time is substantially sub-second), and then, his first reaction, rather than to apply the brakes and control his vehicle, is to flash his high beams twice (which seems to have the unintended effect of causing the car to actually slow down). Then and only then does he begin forceful braking. On top of that, he commences his swerve under full braking, a scenario almost certain, on the clearly wet pavement, to put the vehicle into a skid. Once skidding, he fails to release the brakes and steer into the skid, which, again, would almost certainly have enabled him to regain control of the vehicle. Don't get me wrong -- the Volvo driver should be held to account for his callous disregard for the safety of other traffic. But avoidance of this accident was the responsibility of the coach operator. He should have been paying close attention to entering traffic, considering the wet condition of the roadway, then reacted immediately by applying the brakes to scrub speed, then, if still necessary to avoid a collision, releasing the brakes to safely steer around the car. Just my $0.02, FWIW. -Sean | ||
| Macgyver (91flyer)
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Well, you're probably right about it being a traffic camera... but where do the radio blips come from if it's not a cop? Why would the camera have radio information? Or was it perhaps added into the video stream during processing of the video for court representation? Either way... if I were a bus driver, hauling a busload of people... I wouldn't swerve on wet pavement. I most assuredly would plow into the back of the car that pulled out in front of me to avoid the very catastrophic events seen on this video.... One life in jeopardy is better than 70. It may be a harsh numbers game, but I'll play it that way if it comes down to it. As for the driver's reaction time... You're probably right... but it was still the fault of the driver of the car in my opinion. It's very difficult to tell from the video... it was downhill, obviously at higher speeds. Maybe the bus just couldn't stop? Maybe he had already applied brakes and started skidding straight on, and when he realized he wasn't going to stop in time, he flashed his lights... when the car slowed down, he felt he had no choice but to swerve, creating a panic situation that we all dread.... It's hard to know without further explanation... but still, I would have hit the car instead of risking rolling the bus. Even plowing into the car, the bus would have been controllable to a point. -Mac | ||
| John that newguy Rating: N/A |
Any large vehicle approaching the rear of a smaller vehicle will appear to the smaller vehicle as being closer than it is, and approaching faster than it is. The bus driver flashing his lights did nothing but add more fright to the already frightened motorist. The flashing lights called more attention to the approaching bus. The motorist appeared then, to have slowed and pulled to the right, where he may have otherwise normally accelerated, allowing the bus more time to slow down. Too bad the bus driver didn't slow and try to move left, warning oncoming traffic, rather than try to move the car with his headlights.... | ||
| Bruce Henderson (Oonrahnjay)
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__. The inset on the video says "Belge-Traf" system -- that should mean it was a traffic camera in Belgium. Damn nasty accident, whereever it was. I hope they nail that idiot in the yellow car and he didn't get away with a "prioitee a droit" excuse. __. But the bus seems to have held up very well. When I lived in England, they always said that bus/coach accidents were deadly because when a bus turned over on it's side, the heavy chassis would make the whole thing collapse ("go lozenge-shaped" was what they called it). It would collapse like a cardboard box with no ends in it and the chassis would crush the occupants (esp. those on the low side). This bus seems to have kept it's integrity pretty well. ' | ||
| Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
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Hello busnuts. Nasty accident, thanks Mac for finding that. I'm with Mac, I might not be quite so harsh on the bus driver. Try this version on for size: Yellow Volvo does the unthinkable and pulls out in front of downhill bus, approaching at highway speed, wet road conditions. Car approaching from other way looks like it might be right at the wrong place for the bus driver to initially choose the other side of the road as an escape. Bus driver does the natural thing and hammers the brakes right from the start. From the radar, perhaps a road speed of 100 km/H is the limit? That's 60mph, which is 88 feet per second. Even with the long range lense, that car came out only a matter of a few seconds ahead of the bus's arrival at the driveway. As those few seconds click by, the bus driver is praying for the Volvo to get up and go, but he realizes, to his horror, that he's running out of room and collision is iminent. He tries the high beams, not an uncommon thing for a European, a North American might lay on the airhorn, whatever it is that you usually do to make a signal. So, Yellow Volvo really screws up the works with a very unexpected and unwanted slow and pull sort of half-heartedly to the side of the road. Bus driver, working on reactions, not careful thought, further paniced by this absolutely suicidal move by the Volvo, dials in some steering to get this damned bus to avoid the car. The Bus, tires sliding all the way, finally changes direction, unfortunately too much direction change. Bus driver dials in opposite steer, probably a lot of it, but the tires are sliding on the wet road. Even if the bus driver released the brakes, and that would have taken a full half-second for the air brakes to release once the driver removed his foot, after three quarters of a second for his brain to tell his foot to move, the steer tires would have continued to slide with such a harsh steer angle dialed in, as well as the fact that buses (and trucks)do not recover from skids as easily as a car. They like to keep on sliding, brakes or no brakes. (Those who drive cars in snow know what I mean by having too much steer dialed in, tires won't recover directional stability when they are turned too far past the direction the tire is sliding in) The bus just starts to turn back as it is leaving the roadway, and turns back a lot once off the road, indicating a lot of steer dialed in. Once you lose control of a bus (or truck), it rarely is recoverable. Completely different centre of gravity, weight, tire contact patch and airbrake issues between a bus and a car. Unfortunately, our cars, due to their relatively good skid recovery, give us a false sence of security which is not transferable. And many of these events are started by dialing in an evasive manouver. As for choosing to hit whatever is in front, please consider two things: where are you, and your feet, and where does a steering column in a bus go when it is involved in a hard hit to the front? The steering wheel will either tip out the windshield, or into your lap, and of course, your feet will be in the twisted metal that was the front end. You can't predict which way it will go. Bus drivers end up trapped and the ones who don't bleed to death because first aiders can't reach what's bleeding have lost legs to steering wheels. Did you notice all the stuff that flew out the windshield onto the road when the bus rolled over.... one of those lumps might have been the driver, if his seatbelt wasn't done up. There is no good solution to being in this predicament. The goal of collision avoidance through any means other than aggressive evasive manouvers when driving the heavy stuff becomes rather unattainable when things go wrong. Perhaps a reason it is rare to find an experienced professional driver who does not hold some sort of spiritual beliefs? happy coaching! buswarrior | ||
| Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
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JTNG, the reason people choose to pull out in front of trucks and buses and railway trains, and not in front of cars, is the opposite: the larger an object, the appearance is to be moving more slowly. That's one of the reasons why some of those crazy four wheelers do stuff in front of your bus that you don't see them do in front of your car! happy coaching! buswarrior | ||
| Macgyver (91flyer)
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BusWarrior... You hit just about everything I was thinking when I saw this vid... But, I would like to add one thing.... When I said I'd rather hit the idiot that pulled out in front of me, I was talking from a strict standpoint of survivability of the passengers.... Whether it's my family, or a busload of 70 people... I'd rather take a chance with MY life and the idiot that pulled out in front of me, than take a bigger chance with my family or the 70 people behind me! Better two dead than everyone but the idiot that caused it. If it comes down to that idiot, or my family... Trust me... I'll take the idiot out and chance MY life before my wife and kids. -Mac | ||
| Sean Welsh (Sean)
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Bruce, Read it again -- it doesn't read "Belge," it reads "Bolge," which would make it Turkey, as I wrote. Macgyver -- look carefully, the bus driver does not apply the brakes for a full two seconds after the right-of-way incursion. In the motorcycle safety business, we have a word for someone with those reaction skills: dead. His first reaction, to flash the lights, causes the car ahead to slow and pull right, worsening the problem -- one reason we recommend against ever trying to communicate with headlights. I believe the radio traffic in the background of the video might be a dispatcher at the camera's monitoring center. I don't understand Turkish, so I can't confirm this. That being said, your original supposition that it is the dash cam of a police cruiser is also a possibility, though the camera angle (and obvious lack of any movement after the event) suggest otherwise. One element in support of this theory is the 0kph indicator at the lower right, which might be the indicated speed of the cruiser. As for the speeds involved, it appears from the radar that they were less than 50kph (~30mph). Perhaps a written account of this video will surface at some point to clear up some of the questions. -Sean | ||
| James Maxwell (Jmaxwell)
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Never got to the bus accident: got side-tracked on the stripper from Washington featured in the pop-up. Far better to look at than some bus wreck in Turkey! | ||
| Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
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EH? Darn, how do I re-enable pop-ups.... happy coaching! buswarrior | ||
| Macgyver (91flyer)
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Heh, that's the reason I tried posting the direct link first.... damn popus. -Mac | ||
| John Jewett (Jayjay)
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The only comment I have is that you gents are probably wrong about the driver counter steering. At about 140 turns lock-to-lock, you are only a passenger, not a driver. I set my 4905 sideways down the middle of the Pearl River Bridge on I-10 several years ago, and believe me you can only hang on! The toad and hitch held quite nicely, but I lost two tires and 4 wheels, due to hitting the curbs at 65 mph. Cheers...JJ James M. Thanks for the heads-up on the pop-up. Not much clothing to look at, but my-oh-my doesn't she have nice teeth? | ||
| Brian (Bigbusguy)
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In Looking at it . I see the car pulled out at all most 1 1/2 bus lengths in front of a bus doing 60 mph with a car just passing the bus going the other way . With the lag time of the air brakes and the recation time of the driver it looks like he hit the brakes about as fast as most could have and looking at the vidio it looks like the bus did hit the car as the rear of the car kicks out to the left slightly. He lost control when the front tires lost traction from ether locked up or just siding on the wet pavment look like he had full right turn as it went to the other side of the road. And with most europion type buses the high beems are on the turn signal. That should have been his last choice and should had both his hands on the wheel and just hit the car. I think it was just too close to steer around the car with out going into a skid. And some one does come out the window. And was this a right hand drive bus? Or left hand drive? A lot of the countrys over there have visting trucks buses or cars that dont have the steering wheel on the side you think it would be on for the side of the road your driving on. Brian 4905 | ||
| John that newguy Rating: N/A |
You ain't gonna' like this, but here it is: The time to hit the brakes and begin maneuvering for a safe spot, is when you see a vehicle about to pull out, not after it's already in front of you. With an obvious intersection at the bottom of a slick highway, what was the bus driver doing travelling at a speed that was too fast to accommodate navigating through an emergency situation? The bus driver had room to slow and begin leftward movement when the car first emerged into the path. Instead, the bus continued at it's too fast rate and made no moves to navigate, using the headlights as some sort of plow.... If you're driving a bus, you do not make fast moves; you plan well ahead, as far as you can see; you do not rely on your brakes to stop you in an emergency and you do not leave it up to the "other driver" to make driving conditions safe for you. Any veteran or seasoned bus drivers reading here, will agree... There's a certain pride you take in providing your passengers with the safest possible travel.... and it's all entirely in your hands. You do not leave it up to others under any circumstance. You are thinking ahead, being alert and are ever cautious for the unexpected. The driver in that crash was going too fast and not paying attention. And judging by his actions, not fit to have been driving human lives around. | ||
| Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
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JTNG, I think every veteran driver out there is more likely to be thanking the Gods it didn't happen in front of them. Veteran drivers have had the crap scared out of them enough times to be cautious not to judge another too quickly. "There go I, but for the grace of God?" If you want to be an collision investigator, you have to look at things from many perspectives. How about you try to look at the video again, get on the driver's team for a minute, assume he is the best driver on the road, and see if you can see all the good things he tried to do? Let's get real, a car pulls out immediately in front of you when you are at speed. Who amongst us wouldn't have had the brake pedal through the floor boards? And if we could muster the left over thoughts, lay on the airhorn, flash the lights, holler at the occupants to hang on, grab your coffee cup and the cat, or whatever else we could think of when collision is about to happen? Bus driving in Europe has not sunk as low as it has here in the colonies. There continues to be a level of professionalism and training that is absent on this side of the Atlantic. You won't find a European bus driver working in dirty track pants and a t-shirt... Finding possible alternatives is not popular or easy, since in our times, it's easier to find fault than to find reason for support, and we, as a society, seem to prefer to see daytime talk show emotional outbursts and public hangings instead of careful research. And creating an environment on the Board where we are quick to condemn does not promote the sharing of one's mistakes so others may avoid them. Monday morning quarterbacks armed with grainy long range video do not make for good collision investigators.... happy coaching! buswarrior | ||
| Sean Welsh (Sean)
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OK, I was able to find out a bit more information... Macgyver called it right -- the video is from a "Stalker" brand police in-car video/radar system, so this is a dash-cam shot. No word on why the officer does not move the cruiser sooner. The accident took place March 29th, 2005 near Istanbul, Turkey. There were 18 injured and one killed. I'll try to dig up some more as time permits. -Sean | ||
| Macgyver (91flyer)
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I think everyone has hit on one aspect or another during the course of this thread.... But, the simple fact is, none of us were in that driver seat (fortunately), and none of us will probably ever REALLY know what happened unless a report is released somewhere that outlines and details everything the driver did (or may have done, if he died in the accident).... But, I can say that I would not have swerved. That I WOULD have plowed into the back of the car... Buses just don't do well with quick reactions, they like to go in whatever direction they're headed... Swerving with a bus is dancing with disaster. The only way I think I would try to swerve is if it was another bus, a semi or a tanker truck that pulled out in front of me... but folks... I just don't see another trucker or buser doing something that dumb. It's only the little car and SUV drivers that think they're invincible. Personally, I think EVERYONE should have the opportunity to drive a bus to see what it's like, but in simulated conditions. Have a little car pull out in front of them, and see just what it's really like to make that choice of hitting the car, or ditching the rig. I'll bet 95% of them would ditch the rig thinking it's the better choice. Not in my book.... But, I also want you all to keep in mind... I'm not a professional driver. I don't have a CDL, and I don't have formal training. I can only go by what I've learned driving my 60 footer around... and believe me, I've learned new respect for those that do it on a daily basis... and driving my car/van/truck around... I take into account those big rigs more now than I did before. So.... Everything I've said are just my own speculative opinions... But I think they're well founded in the experience I've gained with my own rig. Cheers! -Mac | ||
| Sean Welsh (Sean)
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Well, I was unable to come up with anything further in the way of solid details on this accident. I did find out, in the course of my search, that Turkey has one of the highest accident rates in the world, bad driving is pervasive, and Istanbul is the worst part of Turkey in which to drive. There is a great deal of advice against driving in Turkey to be found, and advice for people who must do so is very cautionary, such as the following: "web site removed by moderator as a dead link or inappropriate material" -Sean | ||
| Michael Lewis (Puffbus)
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I would like to comment on the perception of flashing headlights as a no-no. That may be so in North America, but not Europe or the UK. I have considerable driving time in Europe, UK, Scandanavia and N. Africa. Flashing lights are a universally respected method of warning drivers of the presence and intent of another vehicle. Used as the bus driver in this scenario did, it simply meant, "get the heck out of the way" and is a natural and instinctive function of driving. Remember, european cars had those flashers on the column long before Detroit picked up the idea (as usual). The is nothing like cruising at 120-160KPH on the Autobahn or Autostrada and seeing a bright flash of light behing you closing rapidly at 200KPH. It's usually some young handsome jerk in a Ferrari, BMW or Lamborghini. And if he has to reach your butt before you move over, he's highly irritated and will usually throw you the finger as he roars by. He will seldom pass you on the right, as typically happens on US freeways, because that's dangerous, because he pays a tremendous amount for his registration, taxes, insurance and fuel and believes he has a right to his portion of the road relative to the speed he wishes to travel. A cop will uphold his right every time and ticket a slow driver for impeding traffic. Turks may be perceived as notoriously bad drivers, but europeans generally are great, if you go with the program. I would much rather drive anywhere in Europe than I-5 in Seattle. Hey..maybe all these Seattle drivers have Turkish heritage...hmmm ....I may take some heat for this one.... | ||
| Tim Strommen (Tim_strommen)
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Well, in Germany on the Autobahn they have that rule "Drive Right" where people who are traveling on the road stay in the right lanes UNLESS THEY ARE PASSING. So if that guy in the McLaren F1 (probably me teaching some multi-millionare how to drive stick in the only car that guys owns with a stick...) has to flash his lights to get you out of the way, you'd better hope that you weren't anywhere near a cop. The traffic enforcement over in Germany is MUCH stiffer (plus you wouldn't want that $1000 license you have to pay for, taken away) Sean - I love the part on that link about the "Tire Shredding Pot-Holes". It's also amusing how there is a subtle undertone by the site's owner about the general state of neglect/poor design in the transportation segment of Turkey Cheers! Tim | ||
| Lee Bradley
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I think you're giving Seattle drivers to much credit for being able to drive. May be a problem everywhere but the drivers with the least ability, skill, training, etc. seem to pay the least attention to their driving. They are eating, shaving, putting on makeup, on the cell phone whereas the good drivers know how dangerous it is out there and have the fewest distractions around them. | ||
| Brian (Bigbusguy)
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John that new guy, I dont see a obvious intersection I see a small drive way . There is not way to tell if he was already going slower becouse of the rain. But if you look close at the vidio at the time the car pull out there is a car comming at him in the other lane where was he going to go head on? And about the time the car comes out you see the bus make some jerky movements indacating he is doing somthing and then the rear of bus start to make fish tale to the left then back to the right . What I see he was on the brakes almost as soon as he first spots the car and may not had antilock brakes. I put 100% of the cause on the car that pulled out 75' front of a bus doing 50 to 60 mph. The way you say he should been driving is to slow down at every intersection that a car may come out? So to be able to stop there he would have to be going 15 mph? There is no way to drive the way you say and get any where. There is a point where your too safe and become hazard your self. When you driving at a speed slower then the normal speed others comming up behind you expect you to be driving you then become a hazard. I know first hand driving my 48 Dodge flat bed truck pulling a trailer at 55 MPH on a 70 mph HWY. That was as fast as it would go and there was no other road I could have taken in that part of the state. I had 3 semi trucks pass Me on the sholder one van pulling a trailer make a quick lane change into the side of a passing truck. I would love to go for a ride with you and see how you realy drive. I can just see you creaping down the road at 10 MPH . It would take you all day just to get out town. You just cant drive leaving time to stop at every drive way where a car can come darting out with out stoping. Thats why I drive a bus not a stick and staple so when someone does somthing stupid they die not me. Brian 4905 | ||
| James Maxwell (Jmaxwell)
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Lee: I drove Seattle the past 2 weekends, and I was truely impressed by the fact that it is the only major metro area I have driven in several years where they actually obeyed the posted speed limits on the freeways. I did not see one vehicle doing 80mph, and that was in light traffic most of the time. They can't be all that bad if they can contain themselves enough to drive as directed. | ||
| Tim Strommen (Tim_strommen)
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Hey, if you guys/gals want to do a "root cause" finger pointing at who's driving meathod was the cause of this accident, consider that the vehicle entering the roadway didn't stop to check for traffic before merging (looks like there is a sign on the very edge of the picture, so he/she may have even seen the bus coming and thought they could beat it). The driver of the little car (looks like a taxi) probably didn't see the bus coming, most likely because he was taking a $100 from some American screaming "We're on a TV show called The Amazing Race and the other team is right behind us! GO! GO! GO!". If the driver wasn't driving like he/she was the only car on the road, the driver probably would have noticed that there was clearly no-one behind the bus and that his/her turn to get on the road would have come quickly enough. As JTNG has said before, patience is a virtue (I always argue that people will always try to kill themselves, so why stop them? More hot girls/guys for those of us who live...) I for one am welding in a stiffening plate to reduce MY injuries following a moron in an SUV with who unassumingly subscribes to the "Survival of the Fittest" theory. The blurr on the car as it escapes the scene of the crime is due to the fact it's still raining (drop hit the windshield just as the car approaches, it happens at the worst times, I used to use security cameras every day... It happens.) Cheers! Tim | ||
| Paul Ghelli (57shadowdog)
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I see that kind of driving every day. I drive 350 to 500 mile every day.300 days a year.You see those people pull out like that all day. drive half a mile then stop in front of you to turn left... If you flash your lights or blow your horn they make you out to be the a---hole. But untill they hurt some one.. Like that they will do it over.. and over.. hope every one on the bus made out ok. and they throw the book at the cars driver | ||
| Ian Giffin (Admin)
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Buswarrior, Screw the careful research, I much prefer the emotional outbursts and public hangings. Ian www.busnut.com | ||
| Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
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Hello bossnut. I just knew you were a closet daytime talk show watcher. You need the satelite to get the better American shows? Marilyn Dennis isn't quite peppy enough for this sort of thing.... happy coaching! buswarrior | ||
| John that newguy Rating: N/A |
buswarrior- Re: "And creating an environment on the Board where we are quick to condemn does not promote the sharing of one's mistakes so others may avoid them. " When we first became professional bus drivers, the first thing we learned, was that we alone were responsible for our passenger's safety. We did not depend on "the other guy" to drive in a safe manner. We had our training; our licensing, and we spent the time learning to navigate our vehicle safely. I read through this forum and find comments suggesting that the errant vehicle should have been run into...? Are you suggesting that you would prefer to promote that? From your comments regarding "The goal of collision avoidance through any means other than aggressive evasive maneuvers " is more in line with my own comments. The bus driver was going faster than he should have for the conditions at the time. If I'm not mistaken, there appears to be a gas station at that intersection? It was raining. As that car entered into that intersection, that bus should have begun to decelerate. The bus driver should have edged left, indicators on and attempted to slow as much as possible as soon as possible. He did not. He did not appear to slow, until he was much too close to the car, and at that time he flashed his lights. The car appeared to have slowed and pulled to the right... too late for the bus driver, who now went into his fatal skid. Had he been straddling the left most portion of his lane and had been moving slower, he would have safely passed that car after it moved to the right shoulder. Expecting the other driver to drive safely, is folly. It is our responsibility to drive as safely as possible. Otherwise, the "other driver" would need the training to allow us to get -our- license to drive a bus. Youse guys prolly hate me by now, but I said it before.... If youse want to drive a bus, drive it like a bus driver. | ||
| Jon W Rating: N/A |
JTNG, I have to respectfully disagree with the sense I get that you lay the blame for this on the driver, and that any driver who drives like a professional can always protect the passengers and other drivers. I just had a near collision a few days ago with my coach. I was heading north on I71 just coming out of downtown Columbus. From my right traffic was entering in their own dedicated lanes from I70. Shortly ahead and to the left, two lanes over was an exit to another section of the highway. The car to my immediate right crossed directly in front of me with the intent to exit to the left. Unfortunately two things had an impact on that driver's actions. First, the exit was coming up fast, and second, unseen by the driver until it was in my lane was a car passing on my left at a fairly brisk pace. Instead of choosing to continue in my lane and find another exit, the car now in front of me spiked the brakes to let the car on our left pass so the driver could exit left at the intended place. I had traffic to the left and right and a car jamming its brakes on a scarce few feet in front of me without warning. You cannot hardly buy exceitement like that. We ended up so close before the driver finally made the move to the left to the exit all I could see was the roof and hood of the car. I'm just glad that as soon as the idiot woman driver cut in front of me I backed out of it and my foot was headed for the brake. A few feet less and that car would have been spun and rolled up the road because it never got squared off in front of me. It is not nice, but there are times I wish I ended up parked on top of these fools that have no clue, just like the yellow car that pulled out in front of the bus. | ||
| Mike (Busone)
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After looking closely at the video I don't see how you all know how fast he is going. The lower left corner where it says "radar" is the only indication of speed. The speed we see may not be the bus. There is a car on the other side of the road and that car very well could be what the radar is on. The poor quality of the video and the rain also makes it very difficult to know when the bus driver hit the brakes. The only obvious thing to me is the guy in the car pulled out in front of a bus that could not stop in time on a wet road. | ||
| Mike (Busone)
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I did some searching on the web about this wreck. I could not find much. One person that lives in Turkey said it happened in Manisa. He said 2 people died and 18 were injured. On the same forum they later said the jerk in the yellow car was caught. You can read more about it at the site I have listed. The site is not politically correct or censored in any way. I also found the original format of the video and it does not really show the speed the bus is going. It is a little better quality though. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13372315 http://forum.ogrish.com/showthread.php | ||
| Brian (Bigbusguy)
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Your right about the site not being censored. If the one pic is real what do you do with the extra 14" ? Brian 4905 | ||
| Macgyver (91flyer)
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Ogrish. One of my oft visited sites... I also go to DailyRotten.Com, Goregasm.com and when I'm REALLY bored, freakhole.net.... Freakhole isn't what it used to be though. They used to have interesting things... now it's just porn. I drop in on occasion to see if it's returned to what it used to be... but so far, no such luck.... Pr0n Suxx0rZ. :p -Mac | ||
| Mike (Busone)
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err, the extra 14" all I can say is you would want to be really careful riding a bike wearing shorts.  | ||
| Tim Strommen (Tim_strommen)
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Looking at the video at the site: "web site removed by moderator as a dead link or inappropriate material" it actually looks like the yellow car WAS rear-ended. There is a definate deflection (both vehicles jar in opposite directions at the same time. Hmmm, maybe the bus driver should have aimed at the yellow car... just a thought. Tim |