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AL (152.163.204.58)
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That our flag was still there. May God Bless America |
Luke Bonagura (Lukeatuscoach) (63.57.65.222)
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Hi Al:
I agree with you totally, however this was not just an attack on America but rather (in my opinion) an attack on all civilized Nations & folks in the world. If N.Y. & D.C. this week, then why not Ottawa, London, Paris, Berlin, Rome, Tokyo etc. next week & the weeks after.
It is an ugly picture and the remedy is not going to be pretty.
The cold war ended, the Berlin wall fell and I think many were lulled into a false sense of security.
We live in a world of GOOD & EVIL and if this country and the rest of the world didn't get a wake up call this week, then it never will, as it is very possible that we haven't seen anything yet!!!
Out of this tragic week, Americans have drawn closer together, there are more flags flying than on the 4th of July and hopefully the Nations of the world will grow closer, in a common cause, for the benefit of all mankind.
LUKE at US COACH |
Dave Wheat (24.158.27.63)
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To our Northern neighbors in Canada. Thank you for your concern regarding the recent US tragedy. |
mel 4104 (208.181.100.99)
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yes this has been a very dark day for the whole world not only the U.S. and hoping that it becomes very dark for the people responsible for this act it is now time to say to hell with the do gooders that say that they have their rights well they just gave then up clean out these hate groups on north American soil and do not let them re enter the U.S. or Cad. the forest industry here in British Columbia have closed the woods and sent their Parma medics to N.Y.C. this was done by the largest forest co. up here. so even if we are in Canada we all up here want to help. mel 4104 |
FAST FRED (63.215.236.120)
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IF you really want to help ,
It would be nice if you had a customs and immigration services that didn't welcome the scum of the earth , en route to the US.
It would also be a help if you would re-call Peter Jennings, its very tiring hearing what a horrible place the USA is , how illegal and unworthy the current administration is , and how any fool that doesn't agree is a two year old on a temper tantrum.
FAST FRED (age 2 } |
04 bud (152.163.195.208)
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04 bud says .....find and vaperize the people who planned this and shoot the people who allowed then to live under there protection. bin ladin and all like him have no place in our world. im 47 and ready to go if they need me. |
Jerry (65.2.65.246)
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My take & Opinion:
1) Remove the privatization of the airport security, where there's a "bottom line" ($$$) involved, you're sure to find someone trying to cut corners and save a buck. Put the [fully armed] military in charge of airport security for now and forever, 2) Immediate halt on foreign aid -- the aid is needed at home, 3) Cut back on immigration, conducting more rigid background checks. Follow up and continue to follow up on new immigrants. 4) Regarding Customs; It's just NOT Canada who [may] have been lax at their borders ... the US border crossing have much to review as well. |
Donald Peter (Don) (172.183.96.131)
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Jerry, sound good. In addition, all US flight deck crews should be armed. Most are exmilitary so this shouldn't be much of a big deal to implement. The door to the cabin should withstand at least 5 minutes of kicking.
All Americans should back our government in finding and killing (let's not mince words) terrorists and their supporters. I'm 58 and right behind 04 bud if they need me. -- Don |
Daangerboy (216.209.123.112)
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Just to clarify a few things, I love this board....have recieved a lot of great information here.......mainly I just read alot and say little. This has been a terrible week for everyone, I also am a Canadian, and believe me we all feel terrible about this cruel act and it's very close to home here as well
Fred I believe that Mel was trying to offer a few kind words and slamming Canada for our border and immigration policies isn't pleasant for me to listen to either! When someone leaves Canada for your country it is your border and your custom agency not ours that they check in with.
I have been all over North america and I can't say that one border is any more lax than another ,but it isn't our responsibility in any way to prescreen passengers heading for your country.
Fred this shocks me , I have read alot of what you say and I usually enjoy..... this disappoints me!
It's a rough time let's not start picking on our closest and friendliest neighbours
Daangerboy |
Hal StClair (64.12.104.46)
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I'm afraid that tightening our security and limiting our freedoms and thus our way of life only plays into their hands. No matter how much we try to keep them out, they will find a weakness and exploit it. This terrorism will only expand and intensify in scope. How can we possibly protect our borders from them when we have literally MILLIONS coming from south of the border? Eventually, one of the groups will come up with an atom bomb or some chemical or biological weapon and the cost in human lives will be astronomical-making this disaster pale by comparison.
No, the only way to possibly combat these unhumans is to take the war to them and not quit until they are wiped out. We will have to be as ruthless as they in our determination to eradicate this cancer from our society. By example show the world our determination, show them no quarter so that any group even contemplating a terrorist act will realize it will be an act of meaningless sucide. I only hope we and our government will have the internal fortitude to press this campain to the final conclusion.
Just my thoughts, Hal |
Donald Peter (Don) (172.182.237.198)
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I know I should limit myself to only one post here, but I just heard on the news that the man who called in a phony bomb threat to a New York school was caught and faces up to 10 years in prison.
Wrong!
Maybe before Sept 11, 2001 that would have been right, but now we are in a war with terrorists and he is one. By making bomb threats, writing computer viri or phoning the FBI with false leads, you are helping terrorists and have become a terrorist. Further, if you aren't wearing a uniform that identifies you as a terrorist, you are also a spy. Terrorists and spys are killed in an intelligent society.
America,WAKE UP! |
Dwight (63.16.168.152)
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Yes I agree, do not stop until they are all deceased.
But you know one thing bothers me !!
They already had a list of names to check out!!
My question is, If their names made the list ?? Why in the heck were they allowed in the country in the first place ??? !!!
O' one more thing, I heard today that Clinton, in his last days, executive order #13166, which requires federal agencies and organizations receiving federal funds to provide programs and services in any language necessary by the participants and recipients of said programs and services.
Can you imagine what the road signs will look like not to mention what the cost will be to implement. !! |
FAST FRED (63.215.227.127)
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Sorry if I have been grouchy , but the airline I worked for lost 2 aircraft , and I keep thinking
"there but for the grace of God , go I"
At least the New York crew went down fighting.
The cockpit door is easy to smash thru as the crew is REQUIRED to help evacuate the pax in the event of a problem,
it also is the emergency exit for the pilots , sliding down a rope device 40 ft on a 747 , might be hard for injured crew.
The big problem is the terrorist have WON!
They detest our freedom and life style,
when WE build forts everywhere,
look at our neighbors in fear,
take 2 hours to change planes ,
and change OUR way of life for them, they win.
If I was Da Pres I would declare war on the terrorists , and back date it to the first attack.
When caught they would undergo Military trials , so the OJ / Dershowitz , Media crowd would be cut out.
I would , if they are found guilty, have them dropped alive into a slow grinding machine.
I would have their flesh fed to pigs ,
and in a day collect the pig waste and send the pig offal ,
and a close up video to the hundreds of camps.
No sitting on Allah's knee for them!
I would also get the congress to repeal the silly rule about targeting BAD people , to put a bullseye on each of the terrorist organizers, and a pleasant price.
Might not change the folks attempting to push the world over the bridge to the 13 century,
but at $20 million for an eyeball , might reduce the quality of sleep for the ringleaders.
Arming the cockpit crew is the FIRST thing that should be done.
FAST FRED |
Finish this Bus or Bust. (Coachconversion) (65.2.65.246)
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Recently, while staring at my 3 year and 7 year old, I thought "...what a world to grow up in."
This morning I wondered if my parents looked at me and my sister when we were young, during the Cuban Missile crisis, the assasination of President Kennedy and at times during the Cold War and said "...what a world to grow up in."
I've been to other countries with tough security, I don't know that the local nationals or myself felt it as a restriction on our freedom -- it was, what it was. We adapt to what life throws us, we have to, but we do not concede (they don't "WIN" Fred, they just don't).
As Americans, we've endured many things, we possess a spirit unlike any other -- let them not affect that ... or they DO win. My greatest hope, as I am sure my parents was, is to have a world where my children won't look at their children and want to say "...what a world to grow up in." |
Rich Lanigan (24.218.245.201)
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I was thinking one way to prevent hi-jacking is to have the cockpit of the airplane only accessible from the outside. Meaning that the cockpit has it's own door and the passenger compartment has it's own. In order to get into the cockpit you have to go outside and flying at 300 mph who would be able to do that. Still the plane can be bombed or passenger and crew hurt but it would be pretty tough to get in the cockpit and fly the plane once in the air.
Just a thought,
Rich |
Merlin-PV (216.229.184.172)
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Well Fast Fred I thought there was some wako`s in Washington DC but you take the prize I am sure glad you are NOT in any position to implement your thoughts as we would all be in big trouble, (lets arm everyone and then have a good old wild west shootout), makes as mutch sence as putting gasoline on a fire to put it out. Your attitude should be fed to the pigs |
Greg Roberts (172.166.125.115)
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Fred, If you become da Pres can I be your Vice Pres? |
steve souza (Stevebnut) (24.91.136.59)
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how about the cock pit door solid steel, locked from the inside and in the event of a hijacking the pilot/copilot could release into the cabin nitrous oxide and when passengers and terrorists are out cold the copilot slips back there and hand cuffs the terorists, (then throw them out at 15,000 feet for instance)then pump oxygen back in and all the passengers wake up safe and sound????
steve (firefighter in massachusetts) |
Rich Lanigan (24.218.245.201)
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Not the best idea, I mentioned something similar and was told terrorist could have gas mask. I had to agree that wasn't a good idea. If there is any possible way into the cockpit from the passanger compartment then the terrorist will find a way. Make that only possible by going outside the plane and once it's in the air and flying at 300mph and it becomes tough.
Rich |
David A. (168.215.176.129)
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Hey Steve, I like that idea. Sounds logical except for the lawyers that sue the airline for the passengers that get a headache from their slumber. Boy, though, it sure could diffuse a critical situation.
I read a story in the paper today that the American Trial Lawyers Assn. is asking its members to wait a couple of weeks before they start filing lawsuits. They don't want to appear too greedy during the recovery operation. I'm sure they will try to prove the buildings were defectively designed because they couldn't withstand a fire ball missle, oh, I mean aircraft attack. |
David A. (168.215.176.129)
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Rich, Wouldn't the preboard check find a gas mask through the scanner? It seems it would be big enough to be spotted. Of course if it was an inside job and not a passenger it could possibly slip by. |
Scott Whitney (63.151.68.130)
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Of course all the ideas of super strong cockpit doors and gas systems etc are interesting ideas - however, if you think like a terrorist, they don't work. All a terrorist has to do is start killing a passenger every 60 seconds until the pilots open the door. Doesn't matter if the door is three foot thick concrete, the pilots will open it under hijack conditions. . . I don't think cabin knock-out gas systems would make it past the lawyers. |
madbrit (216.67.207.176)
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Rich,
I like your idea of external cockpit access only. Then the terrorists would know they couldn't get in there, no matter what they did.
Scott,
under no circumstances should a pilot open that door even if the terrorists kill everyone on board. This would stop them utilizing the plane like they just did. If they had explosives, they could still blow it up, but they wouldn't be in control of its direction.
Peter. |
Dane (4.17.253.90)
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I am taught that the spirit never dies, only the body goes away. but it is so hard to lose a friend, mother, father, grandmum or grandpop, brother, sister or child. It is worse if it is caused all of a sudden unexpectedly. I have been numbed from the view of the plane hitting the buildings and even more when the World Trade Center came collapsing down. Who on this earth would have believed that such a thing could happen? I have never seen anything like it, even in the movies and what is worse, this is real. Real planes, real buildings, real people. Did you think at the time the plane crashed into the WTC of the people in the plane? It came later for me, too damn many movies I think. Then I thought about the people in the WTC 1 and 2. My God in Heaven, those people never got out of there before the towers collapsed. Did you know when the tower hit bottom, the tunnel underneath for the subway collapsed too?
I had hoped and prayed that there would be pockets and some of them would have survived but with the dust that was created as the weight of the building pulverized the concrete and glass and other building materials into fine dust, if they survived, and had air, and did not get burnt, and did not clog their lungs with the fine pulverized dust, that they could be saved-this is of course overlooking the fact that they have been buried for 5 days now. At the rate they are going, it will take months to get to any body under the building.
If it would have been one day different, it would have been my friend being hijacked to the next life. Perhaps I am too soft hearted or care too much for others but this has been such a trial for me.
As the days go on, the pictures of the lost passengers on the plane show up. Business men, newly weds, children, all free spirits now, their bodies lost when the plane tore into the buildings.
Families looking for loved ones, emotions fly as they plead for any info about their loved one, anything that they could cling to, anything to tell them their loved one is alright.
This has been such a fall for us, for me.
Well we now know, high rises can fall down and planes will shear apart spraying jet fuel all over as it burns everything near it. We know these terrorists do not fear death, rather, they work for it, expecting death to release them to a better place.
One wife and mother sits waiting outside the Pentagon. She watches what goes on as the fires are extinguished. She is looks through field glasses where her husbands office had been. She calmly explains that he needs her right there. He needs her whether he walks to her or is brought to her in a box. She won't leave because he needs her and she will be there for him to take him home one way or the other.
I don't have anything funny to say, this isn't the time or place, this is a terrible time. Our president will wage war and with our friends in the world will work to end this sensless killing of absolutely innocent people and children.
Perhaps now our nations people will drop the prejudices, hates and back stabbing and become the family that it needs to be.
Thanks for hearing my venting, if just for a moment. Thanks one and all. - Dane |
FAST FRED (63.215.227.29)
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The pilots already have a method of rendering the cabin unconscious , all they have to do is slowly de-pressurize.
However the hi jackers are usually young and the passengers aren't , so your going to loose some folks as the cabin goes up.
Instead of the nonsense of "sky marshals" we will have lawyers aids on every flight , filming the demise of Grandma!
There can never be total safety , even if everyone was boarded nude, as a trained team , with bare hands could start trouble.
The control of the cockpit is the key ,
ARM the COCKPIT CREW
and you have a stop gap that would slow hi jackers ,
but still doesn't protect from blowing bridges , poisoning the water, or using any of hundreds of Nukes that have been stolen and sold from the Soviet stockpile.
This war will last our lifetimes.
Its the Crusades again.
FAST FRED |
Rich Lanigan (24.218.245.201)
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Dave that's a good point, something like a gas mask should be found. Another good point is the lawyers, they're bound to make issues out of anything they can.
I do think the separate external door could be a modification to all existing aircraft and might help a lot in preventing hijackings.
Again, just a thought.
Rich |
Finish this Bus or Bust. (Coachconversion) (65.2.65.246)
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If (and I do believe it can be) really effective security measures were put in place (ie: the military) at the airports, and if cockpits offered only an external access point, with a Kevlar barrier between the pilots and passengers, I think we’d be on the right track to prevent what happened on 9-11 from happening again. First, if a terrorist/hijacker wanted to “gain control of the airplane”, he couldn’t. Assuming the excellent security measures, mentioned above, were effective, there should be merely a plastic butter knife to threaten the passengers with. So, even if a passenger were killing a passenger every minute, there’d be nothing to gain. The plane, with its lifeless passengers and hijacker(s) would continue on course to their destination.
In addition to the necessary rigid security, I believe by removing the leverage that a hijacker currently has on an airplane you’d remove much of the problems we’ve experienced recently. Blaming Canada for allowing, “…scum of the earth to enter...” arming the pilots, or bowing to terrorists and their mentality isn’t the answer.
Having been in the military (like many of you) under a different administration than Bush’s predecessor, when the military was at its peak, I was fortunate to serve as a paratrooper with the 82nd both stateside and abroad. I know the capabilities of the men and women of our armed forces. Now, with a President and cabinet who see the value of our military, I hope to see the military (as I knew it and better) to be restored. With proper planning and keen leadership on all levels, the US will prevail.
The terrorists have NOT won. If you share that belief, I don’t think you are a true American … pack your bus and head for the border, we don’t need non-believers on our team.
We live in a different world … yes. We mustn’t take anything for granted and should now live a more proactive security conscious lifestyle. Not unlike wearing seatbelts, requiring child safety seats, airbags, helmet laws, etc. – these lifestyle-altering devices were provided as a proactive measure to save lives. We never needed them before, as we all survived without them in the past – times change. Now before I get criticized for comparing terrorism to seat belts, I am not … I am making the analogy between proactive lifestyle altering “things”.
Just my 2-cents. |
Mallie (208.165.105.109)
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Our innocence has been shattered. We are changed forever.
Two weeks ago, there was not a person in our county that would have shot down a civilian air liner, regardless of path. Today it could happen. Our world has been dramatically changed.
We will spend billions, and our freedom will be restricted as a result of this act. But while we are closing the barn door, terrorist will be finding other ways to disrupt our lives. The bar of terrorism has just been raised, and you can expect there will be more.
Deterrent is the best insurance if we can find the right path.
God help us to over come those that hate us.
Mallie |
Scott Whitney (63.151.68.130)
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I kind of like the exterior cockpit door, the more I think about it. How massive and how expensive would a retro fit be? Seems to me the entire aircraft would have to be redesigned. I can see it in new aircraft, but is a retro feasible?
Strangely, I tend to agree with FF on his last post. I think this is a larger issue that will last a long time. I think we need to examine at a lot of fundamental principles and protocals that go far beyond airplanes.
Scott |
Jerry (65.2.65.246)
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Scott:
I agree. Adapt, but not give in. This certainly isn't going to be an overnight fix. It could take many many years.
We need, as a nation, to be more security conscious than ever. We should also reevaluate our position about tieing the hands of law enforcement agencies. Further ... let revisit how "terrible" profiling really is. If you have a group of individuals (any group) which is known to have a higher crime or terrorist rate, then why shouldn't we scrutinize their actions a bit more? |
DANE (4.17.253.149)
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I think the answer has always been in front of us thanks to high tech.
No changes are needed at the airport, other than keeping the bombs and guns and knives off and addition of a little high tech equipment.
1. The cockpit door must be locked and inpenatrible. The pilots must have a monitor to see what goes on in the passenger section. if there is trouble, the passenger section is gassed, putting them all to sleep. the pilot flys back to the air port.
An additional gas system is activated but not dispersed, this system can fill the pilots cabin from a remote trigger, either a fighter plane outside who sees the terrorist in the seat or the airport can initiate this. Initiating this will put the plane into auto pilot. initiation of the auto pilot puts the controls in a "changes locked out"mode. cant turn anything off or on onless the lockout is turned off buy the outside source.
2. The flight crew wears a remote control. this remote will do two things
A. The attendants wear a remote to signal the pilot. Uppon a problem in the passenger compartment, the remote is pressed, the pilots door is secured. The pilot will look in the monitor and if he sees a problem, he gasses the passenger cabin, a alert goes to the faa
B. The sleeping gas is absorbed in the skin andor lungs is dispensed, putting everyone to sleep. If these terrorists have a mask, they will still absorb it in the skin.
Also, the pilot and co pilot seat and rudder control is able to send a shock that would knock them out for awhile, activated from the outside, by a fighter who can confirm who is in the seat.
The fighter will have some control over the airliners controls
SOOOoooo, you think this sounds a little too Star Trekkie?? Well it is better then what we have now and since this problem was not a failure of the airport security, the problem is in the plane. The security in the plane must be changed.
Ok so the terrorist cant get at the pilot so he starts killing passengers, well I am sorry to say, if the gas does not knock them out, we will have to take the losses. The pilot cannot open that door so we take the UNLOCK button away from them so they cant unlock the door after the button is pressed.
This technology is real and we have it. this is where we need to spend the security money, not at the airport. |
Donald Peter (Don) (172.182.250.202)
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I hate to disagree with all these clever suggestions to beef up security, but that is kind of like catalytic converters to stop pollution. You are attacking the problem at the end not the source. Beefed up airline security won't protect the busses, Amtrak or any other place where the public gathers.
We need to work ruthlessly in conjunction with other nations to wipe out the terrorists in the first place. No act of terrorism, however slight, should be allowed to go unpunished. Any individual who is caught practicing any form of terrorism must be put to death as soon as possible.
A terrorist who is caught and convicted should be sentenced immediately and then marched from the court and stood up before a public firing squad and shot.
Will some innocents be killed? Yes, they will. But somewhere between 5,000 and 10,000 innocents have already been killed and no terrorists have been held responsible. |
john (192.9.25.11)
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I'm always reluctant to join these off-topics, but... here goes.
The catalytic converter analogy is a fair one, only you don't take it far enough.
Yes, we must make every effort to cut out the cancer of terrorism. We must do that now, before the attack escalates to the next level -- biologicals or chemicals.
But ask yourself some hard questions: why and how are these fanatics created in the first place? And to what end the attack on New York? They couldn't possibly believe this would "break" us, or do anything other than rouse us to the terrible vengeance we will surely wreak. The only answer you can come up with is that these individuals are beyond desperate, and there's no "purpose" in the act at all. The perpetrators believe the worst has already befallen them and their families, and there is no hope for the future. Unlike some, I don't believe that these societies "choose to live like 16th century barbarians". I think many of them simply believe that a peaceful, free, and civilized life -- something we Americans hold so dear that we are willing to die for it -- is something that is completely unattainable for them.
Until the world acknowledges that problem, there will, unfortunately, be plenty more ruthless, suicidal terrorists standing in line, anxious to replace the ones we exterminate. To use another analogy, all the RAID you can buy and use without poisoning yourself still won't eliminate the cockroaches if you live in a rotten building and among neighbors who live in filth.
I'm not sympathizing with the murderers, and I don't imagine or propose any magic answers to the "root problem" (indeed, I don't trust my knowledge of world history enough to even say I fully understand it), but if we don't make a real effort to understand and address it, we're only fooling ourselves. Yes we'll get vengeance, and that will help to heal the pain. But it won't be a deterrent, and it won't eliminate the problem --the cockroach nest will still be there.
All the "star trek" technology in the world won't stop someone who is prepared to die, or perhaps more accurately, believes that dying for their cause is the ultimate purpose of their life. |
Dane (4.17.253.134)
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hmmm
Breaking news indicated that these terrorists where part of a cell and they had no thoughts of death other than to get there. It is beleived that they could not wait to die so they could get to the other side, to a better place, to Zanadu.
How are you gonna stop that?
Is it that this terrorist leader brainwashed these guys, like the Rev Moon had done, and led them to beleive that death is an ultimate goal and to serve duty or mission, and die while trying, would be the highest form of approval to their god?
As for the aircraft industry, I have never liked planes anyway, you have no control of where you are gonna go and If these guys can take control of the craft, you are screwed.
The airport security looks for objects, metal-as such. If they get on the plane, you got a problem, as was found in NY and Washington DC.
You have to keep control of the plane. A plane is not like a bus or a train that runs on the ground. Its in the air, it can go anywhere with little limits. And when they crash, the plane has this bad habit of BLOWING UP! If this terrorist gets to the controls, as we have seen, he can crash into a building with horrific results.
I for one beleive the new security at the airports will bankrupt the airlines. No one is comfortable with flying now and the6+ hour wait for security is unbearable.
To think that a passenger on a plane would be on a leisurely flight to home, vacation, job meeting etc and have a terrorist take over the plane and slam it into a building or water source with a load of poisonous payload on the plane. The passenger is just on the wrong plane at the wrong time. The terrorist dosnt care if it is him, her or you or I as long there is a casualty, it becomes more horiffic and newsworty.
Yes it has to be cut out of the world, yes its gonna take a long time and yes, we have to maintain control of our planes as wellas other transportation, but planes are too dangerous and too far a range to allow these scum to be able to take a plane over.
There is no argument that can change that thought. UNFORTUNATELY, having the flight crew maintain the control of the plane means the passenger is vulnerable and will probably die while the terrorist attempts to get control. How is that any different from now? You have no safe guards. Actually, you Never did. |
Mark Radius (24.247.105.212)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2001 - 10:01 pm: | |
Seems to me that if we can make bullet-proof vests that stop large caliber projectiles and give them to cops to wear during their whole shift, then making a "bullet-proof" enterance into the cockpit shouldn't be too difficult. I agree that the cockpit door should be only opened from inside the cockpit, by the crew, and should never be opened during the flight, no matter what a hijacker is doing. If the hijackers are desperate enough to kill passengers, then it is very likely that they are all going to die anyway, just like Tuesday. Seems like the best thing the cabin crew can do is get the plane on the ground (at the nearest airport) as quickly as possible.
What about the idea of having a radio reciever installed aboard each plane that is not able to be deactivated or shut off (without shutting down the entire aircraft) that would receive a signal from the air traffic controllers to automatically activate the autopilot to bring the aircraft to a set high altitude and course. If air traffic controllers sensed something was amiss, they could activate it and give us some time to try and figure out what is going on aboard the aircraft. If necessary, ATCer's could "fly" the plane out to sea or to a remote location where the kind of destruction we saw on Tuesday would be prevented. If everything is OK, or the crew regains control of the cockpit, ATC can turn control of the aircraft back over to the crew. I know that technology similar to that is in use in the military. |
Donald Peter (Don) (172.181.242.72)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 17, 2001 - 3:06 pm: | |
In reference to profiling. While not a member of a racial minority (yet), I am part of a group that has been subject to profiling in the past. I didn't like it when I could see no good reason for the hassles, but now I would accept being stopped by the police for no apparent reason. Better to spend a few minutes or hours in a government building than under its remains. -- Don |
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