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Ron Crabtree
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 12:35 pm: | |
Has anyone tried using the base coat and clear paint steps on their bus? I'm having trouble with the clear coat. |
James Maxwell (Jmaxwell)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 1:29 pm: | |
Conventional or HVLP? I just finished (well, except for a few "touch-up" spots that I will address w/airbrush) using the Dupont 1 step (clear is pre-mixed with color base; metallics). Used HVLP, an 8psi unit that I finally figured out how to use toward the end of the job. Best results came from 2 very light coats of fog finish and a final pass opening up the material needle just a bit to give a wet look with a slow pass.
I had my biggest problem doing the Pewter (very dark)color. Had a difficult time keeping the metallic effect even and maintaining the wet finish. I think I was putting on too much material too quickly. When I got to the Red, I cut down the material flow and it worked great, however, the Red was on a much smaller area that I could cover with one or two passes, whereas the Pewter was on large areas of 3'x14'.
I quickly learned that it's a difficult task when running down a 40' bus side w/no break lines to section off the work. I finally decided that it was a good 20-25' paint job for a lot less money than these "Rembrandts" want to do the same work. It's not a J.Stahr job, but it didn't cost $25k either, and at 65mph no one knows the diff. |
TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 5:31 pm: | |
what 'kind' of problems are you haveing with the top coat ??? |
Sean Mormelo (Sventvkg)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 5:50 pm: | |
How much can you get a decent paint job on your bus for from a professional? I'm not talking about rip off pricing either.... |
James Maxwell (Jmaxwell)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 6:25 pm: | |
Sean: One of the better known gentlemen in Mexico will charge u abt. 8k for the entire job. It may turn out good (usually) or it may turn up crap (sometimes). N. of the border, you're looking at 4k (for crap) and up to the 15k realm, or even in excess of 23-25k (and I presume that comes w/a satisfaction guarantee and a lot of bragging rights). |
John that newguy
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 7:19 pm: | |
Doesn't Earl Schieb paint buses? |
Ron Crabtree
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 9:46 pm: | |
Im haveing trouble with heavy orange peel sanded it off twice not sure if its the operater or product. What is the best way to put on multi coats of clear, wet sand between coats of what. Tried multi coats and looks blotchy , Wasted about $300.00 in clear alone HELP. |
TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 10:09 pm: | |
orange peel is TOO MUCH AIR PRESSURE |
TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 10:11 pm: | |
what state are you in Ron... |
John Jewett (Jayjay)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 10:29 pm: | |
Ron, your orange peel is caused by the thinner flashing off too fast and not allowing the pigment time to flow out. Use a "slower" reducer. Especially prevalent with HVLP units where the inexperienced operator applies too much paint with each pass. I like to use a four wheel dolly with an 8 foot step ladder wired onto it. Hire a strong guy to push it alongside the bus, and fight the hoses, while you concentrate on getting a good paint job.
Use a Dupont #2 viscosity cup and reduce to 12 seconds for HVLP, and about 17 to 18 seconds for conventional spray guns at about 55 to 65 p.s.i. at the gun. I'm real fond of the big Sharpe with a 130 to 145 nozzle. I can almost run down the side of a bus and put a 15 inch wide pattern down. I paint a car (one coat) in around 4 minutes, and one side of a 40 footer in 12 minutes flat, using a pair of two quart cups with QD's on the hoses I personnaly feel the HVLP units make great touch up guns, but are far too slow to do really large areas. Especially in warm weather.
Cheers...JJ |
John that newguy
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 10:29 pm: | |
I never painted a vehicle, but with furniture, it'd be a too heavy a
coat of paint; damn paint is flooding and dripping over itself.
I'd try a lighter spray and let it dry before re-spraying. I could never
cover it with only one or two coats and not have that happen. |
Ray D
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 10:37 pm: | |
Orange peel is every painters nightmare, even factory jobs have it and the solution is complex, it can be a combination of several things. Improper gun settings, applying paint to thick, wrong reducer, wrong spray techniques, improper atomization. Check out this post on solutions. A good amatuer technique is to get it as good as you can, then buff the rest out.
http://www.autobody101.com/forums/about2608.html
Ray D |
Jtng
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 10:39 pm: | |
Great answer JJ. It sounds like you do it professionally?
What's the going rate to paint a bus? |
Ed Jewett (Kristinsgrandpa)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 10:47 pm: | |
Ron, Try Martin Senour's website. I'm using Martin Senour on mine right now. Before I started I got on their website to read up on their paints and ran across a "trouble shooting guide" section. Maybe it will help.
Ed. |
Ron Crabtree
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 11:00 pm: | |
I'm in Oregon. I have a 1980 eagle 10.
Thanks for all the help everyone! |
JAMES R. RINK (Fakeguy)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 11:05 pm: | |
I am considering pulling my original drivers seat from 1962 PD4106 and installing a captains chair or something similar...looking for suggestions...seat belts for them, where to get, etc. also want to add a high end passenger chair with seat belts....looking for ideas, resources. thanx |
Craig (Ceieio)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 2:01 am: | |
Ron - Where in Oregon? I am in Newberg.
Craig - MC7 |
Sean Mormelo (Sventvkg)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 8:04 am: | |
James..Those prices are HILARIOUS!!! They sound INSANE to me...4-5K for paintjob sounds fine..But 20-some-odd grand just doesn't..FOR PAINT!!!...I can build myself a decent little cabin on my land for about $25K....I would NEVER pay that much to paint a bus...This stuff really cracks me up sometimes. |
Jim Ashworth (Jimnh)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 8:51 am: | |
Hey Sean-- are you sitting down? New Prevost paint jobs can go as high as $40K for some of the exotic ones. Not including any mural on the back.
That's more than many have in their conversion!
But, expect to spend $1000 on paint and supplies to do it yourself with Imron or other urethane paint. Its getting way too expensive. I used to pay $15 for a gallon of red, now its over $150 for a gallon.
Jim |
Richard Bowyer (Drivingmisslazy)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 8:54 am: | |
Lots of people pay up to a million or more for a bus. Think you could build a pretty nice cabin for that also. Its really all relative.
Richard |
Ron Crabtree
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 9:03 am: | |
Craig I'm in GrantsPass But I was from Portland area before moving here.
So far I've spent about a $1000.00 on my paint and have some more to do!
Ron |
Sean Mormelo (Sventvkg)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 9:48 am: | |
Well Richard, let the million dollar marathon coach owners pay $5000 a gallon for their "Magic" Paint...I have seen those million dollar coaches and they are ALL custom and frankly amazing machines.....You are right, obviously it's all relative, but we should be able to get a very decent paint job for a few grand, being that is is all relative.. |
Richard Bowyer (Drivingmisslazy)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 10:27 am: | |
Yep. I got mine for $3500 several years ago in the LA area. Four color Emron but no clear coat. That was probably ten years ago and it still looks great.
Richard |
mel 4104
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 10:29 am: | |
the nice thing about those high cost paint jobs is that they never show up at your out of the way spots that you like to go to for the weekend as the roads are not that great getting there and the dust keeps them away so your stay is not ruined by a couple in matching cloths spending their time watching the local kids polish their unit. |
TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 12:12 pm: | |
surface temperature...are you doing the painting in the sun |
Tony & Kim Rian (Rianrts)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 12:12 pm: | |
Ron I live in GP and know of a great painter who may be able to help you. Give me a email off board rian@charter.net |
Ray D
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 2:31 pm: | |
TwoDogs made a very good point, for all of us outside painters, it has to be out of the sun, in the cool of the day (morning is the best, less bugs and dust then to) and hopefully not to much humidity.
Ray D |
FAST FRED
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 2:49 pm: | |
"it has to be out of the sun, in the cool of the day (morning is the best, less bugs and dust then to) and hopefully not to much humidity.'
Depends Paint your painting with ,
Rustoleum will go on IN full sunshine , if the surface isnt too (over100F) warm.
Its on the can, and does a nice roof , even in Fl sunshine.
Enamel roller , no orange peel,
FAST FRED |
allen
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 3:03 pm: | |
call Mike Wilson @(541)343-8411 he will tell you what you are doing wrong |
Ross Carlisle (Rrc62)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 7:07 pm: | |
I painted my bus in the yard on a calm day. I used Nason Fullthane. It is a single stage polyurethane. I painted it two years ago in GM code 12 white and still have not decided on graphics. I have a total of $650 in materials and it looks pretty good even up close. I don't think I could have got much better of a job in a booth by a pro. The job took about a week evenings to strip and prep, primed on a Saturday and painted on a Sunday.
Ross |
John Jewett (Jayjay)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 10:43 pm: | |
Jtng, I've done several buses, but don't want to get into it in a big way. Lot's of experience with exotic cars and small to medium sized airplanes, and one 60 ft. Carver motoryacht here in Ft. Myers. Now THAT's a paint job. BTW, a "small" plane is about like a bus or maybe 4 or 5 cars. Two step ladders, and two creepers, and ya' gotta hurry, before it gets dry where you started the coat!!! On big stuff you have to have multiple cups and someone refilling,(or a two gallon pot) because you NEVER stop painting 'til it's done. As fast as you get around it on a coat, the next coat is ready to be applied. Wears me out! Cheers...JJ |
Sean Mormelo (Sventvkg)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 4:57 pm: | |
well i'm not even going to waste a grand on paint just to screw it up as i've never done it before. When i'm ready, if someone wants to make a FAIR wage painting my bus, i'm all for it..If not, I'll wait until I find someone that is willing to. There will ALWAYS be someone in the biz that needs the $$ at some point....I believe we should all just wait until someone is desperate enough to paint our buses for a fair wage rather then enough to buy a NICE new car...Eventually with the economy the supply and demand should turn around.
One question..how many hours does it take to do a decent paint job on a bus?? I would like to be able to figure a fair wage |
Ron Walker (Prevost82)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 6:13 pm: | |
I had mine done in 10 hrs (2 colors, click on my name above to see), in Emron 2 part paint. I paid $500 for the paint and $200 for labor to put it on.
I had to rent 2 sets on scaffolding, one on each side of the bus with a 20 ft lg aluminum truss spanning between the scaffold to stand on, to paint the roof. One guy on each scaffold push it down the side of the bus with the painter kneeling on the truss painting....worked great.
Ron
P.S.
I guess I should mention that that price didn't include the coulpe-of-hundred hr of body work and sanding to prep the bus for paint. |
TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 7:00 pm: | |
90% of a good paint job is in the preparation.. |
James Maxwell (Jmaxwell)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 7:51 pm: | |
Ron: Are you talking about the entire job. All that white and the black, and enough Imron and reducer for that entire bus for $500? Where and how did u "acquire" the paint? It looks great, but, if u could buy Imron in Ca (Which u can't) I can guarantee you that you would have had $2k just in paint material, minimum. The red that I used on mine, urethane single stage, was $54 quart, catalyzer is $21/half pint (8-1mix+2parts reducer). Imron in Mexico is going for over $200/gal. |
TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 8:21 pm: | |
I paid $100.00 a qt. for IMRON 20 years ago....5 qt. to paint my '50 Merc. |
Jtng
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 9:32 pm: | |
Imron® 2.8 HG™ 1Gal. Case IH Red
Product ID: 333-28981 Price: $74.85
http://www.ketoneindustrial.com/proddetail.php?prod=333-28981&PHPSESSID=45a9ba360c7c588208 ed938db3d7146b |
Cable (Fe2_o3)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 12:35 am: | |
No matter what color you paint it use a new broom
for each coat. Cable |
Ron Walker (Prevost82)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 9:54 am: | |
Hi James...yes for the entire job. I bought the paint wholesale $50 per gal for the paint and $50 per gal for the 2nd part (it's a 2 part paint), they are mixed 1 to 1. The brand name is Cloverdale Paint.
Ron |
James Maxwell (Jmaxwell)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 1:48 am: | |
Ron: Certainly an amazing price! And it looks great. The info I have is it can't be sold in or shipped to CA. We are pretty much limited to Acrylic Urethanes and PolyUrethane, a synthetic lacquer base. 2 of my colors were custom mix metallics and the other was a standard metallic color, Fulthane, a Dupont store brand. Reds are abt. $200gal/catalyst 36 pint. The standard color metallic is about $100/gal, except for Reds. Silvers abt. $125/gal. Should have shopped Canada? |
Jtng
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 2:32 am: | |
"can't be sold in or shipped to CA."
"Ve haf der name of urr childrun."
Gotta' luv Kalifornicationa! |
Jim Stewart (H3jim)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 11:45 am: | |
You know for all our whining about the EPA and all the costly regs we have to suffer from, we really do have a cleaner environment than we used to, and that's a good thing.
I just go back from a trip to Europe, and I was amazed at how filthy (human waste) all the water ways were. Netherlands, Belgium, Venice. All the boats and barges dump their black water right over board. Really disgusting. Our cleanup is costly, but I have to think it does have its benefits. |