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John MC9
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 11:54 pm: | |
The banning of diesel engines in private vehicles.
Massachusetts
Maine
Diesels are not welcome in every state, either. Clean-air standards ban their sale in California, Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, Maine and Vermont.
And if the possible future banning of all diesel private use vehicles
isn't bad enough.... Let the following push you a bit further:
Ban free overnight parking
"And to all, a good night".
Baaah. |
James Maxwell (Jmaxwell)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 1:33 am: | |
John: You need to start scrutinizing your sources of information. The Maine article is more than 18 months old. The sale of new diesels in CA is not banned and the article is very outdated and false. It is in fact a press release infomercial for Passat. California has no legislated enforcement for diesel cars and small trucks, and only limited for hiway type tractors, and therefore has no legal basis upon which to ban them. There is some future enforcement legislated, starting in 2006, but even the implementation of that is under review.I have a friend that bought a VW diesel 5 months ago. Even if they should try to ban them, I can go buy one in another State where they would be legal, and bring it into CA, since the Federal Courts determined many years ago that CA cannot stop or otherwise impede people from importing any vehicle sold legally in another state. If it was legal under Federal emission standards, CA has no capacity to ban it under CA Emission Standards. Certainly, the VW had a problem, they modified it and corrected the deficiences, and that was the end of it. I have no personal knowledge of the other states mentioned.
The ban free overnight parking issue raised by the RV Park associations is not new; has been going on for years, and has mixed results. |
John MC9
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 1:50 am: | |
James-
Thank you for the input. That was exactly what I'm looking for!
Massachusetts and Main remain as posted. A friend in MA
just made me aware of the Massachusetts legislation against
diesel engines. If this trend continues, it can have serious
ramifications for Bus conversionists.
Melbourne, Fl and Viera/Suntree, Fl Walmart stores, no
longer permit overnight parking for anyone, trucks included. |
John MC9
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 8:55 am: | |
James-
Re:
"Federal Courts determined many years ago that CA cannot stop or
otherwise impede people from importing any vehicle sold legally
in another state."
James, my Massachusetts pal said that his state will not allow the
registration of new diesel vehicles for private use. He didn't elaborate
and couldn't provide web-based sources. Anything I've read so far
for the year 2005, seems to be clear regarding the refusal of certain
states to allow the registration of new diesel vehicles. California,
Maine, Massachusetts, New York and Vermont banning the
registration of new diesel cars.
As far as I've read so far, the legislation is geared to forcing
compliance with the new clean air standards and the new
formulation of cleaner diesel fuel. It would require diesel vehicles
to be equipped with a new system enabling the use of the new
fuel and special exhaust filters. I doubt the 2 cycle diesel can
be modified to be within any acceptable EPA standard, and
that is the cause of my concern. We may be safe presently,
but what will the future hold?
Delaware has also tightened it's diesel legislation:
New Jersey inspections
Massachusetts |
Randall Hays (Bulldogie)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 9:16 am: | |
If the "People" of all the concerned states are so interested in the health of the individule then they should provide all of the vehicle's with 2 stroke diesel engines with a suitable 4 stroke engine and throw in the charges to do the change out, oh and don't forget to put in the emission controls also. Now that would cause them to put their "Money" where their mouth is and just think of all the "lives" they would save. I would love to donate my 8-71 to the local museum hehee, Randall |
John MC9
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 9:42 am: | |
Yeah, I'd swap mine too.... very willingly.
It's not as much "what the people want", as much as it's the
Federal money (funding) that the state wants. The federali
makes it clear that if the state doesn't do what the feds want,
they withhold federal (highway) funding. So the state complies
in any manner that will insure the big fed bux continue to fall
into their deep pockets.
It's political prostitution at it's finest. |
Bruce Henderson (Oonrahnjay)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 12:30 pm: | |
__. Let's not confuse regs that limit the sales of NEW VEHICLES with "banning of diesels". At this time, you can't buy a new passenger car diesel in Maine, Mass, NY, CA and 1 or 2 other states. You can still buy new "heavy duty vehicles" and you can still run anything you own. It will take a very large change to the regulatory scheme to restrict the operation of vehicles that people already own. |
John MC9 aka: chicken little
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 2:07 pm: | |
I'm not all that sure you're right about it having to be "a very
large change to the regulatory scheme ". If the Fed wants
to eliminate pollution quickly, some pressure on the states would
make the change more rapid. All a state has to do, is refuse
registrations and registration renewals to the specific vehicles.
(Hell, if they can take your home by eminent domain to hand
over to a condo builder, anything's possible).
According to an old friend, that's what Ma. is doing, but I'm still
trying to find out the actual truth to it. Things can get taken out
of context and/or distorted... |
Bruce Henderson (Oonrahnjay)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 4:49 pm: | |
__. Yes, it will require "a very large change to the regulatory scheme ". Current laws ("Clean Air Act of 1966 and 1970, as amended") provide Federal authority to regulate sale of new vehicles and require periodic inspections. The US Congress will at least have to amend the law -- and stand in the political heat of doing so. There is also a requirement in the law that regulations must be cost-effective -- and banning any class of existing vehicles would not be.
__. State legislation would also have to be changed but state legislation is thought to be "more in touch with local wants and needs".
__. This is "a very large change to the regulatory scheme ". |
John MC9
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 8:31 pm: | |
Bruce-
To the best of my knowledge......
There's a bit of difference between "legislation" and "regulation",
and very little to stop any state from changing their licensing
regulations to eliminate the ability to register a diesel automobile.
Registration fees and special costly permits are other means
for any state to limit the usage of anything they desire.
Re:
"Current laws ("Clean Air Act of 1966 and 1970, as amended")
provide Federal authority to regulate sale of new vehicles and
require periodic inspections. "
Since when? For commercial vehicles, perhaps, and only if
engaging in interstate commerce, but intrastate use is clearly
exempt, as well as all private use vehicles. Florida has no
inspections, and no emissions testing for cars or trucks,
as well as many other states.
The states and local governing bodies have great flexibility
in regulating anything they desire to regulate. Prohibiting
diesel engines is not out of the realm. |
Mike (Busone)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 10:50 pm: | |
Simple solution, don't live in the commie states. No offense to anybody of course. |
James Maxwell (Jmaxwell)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 19, 2005 - 12:21 am: | |
Bruce is essentially correct, no State is exempt from the mandates of the CAA, however, they are permitted to legislate their own standards beyond, not less than, those of the federal standard; thus we have states like CA and NY, the more progressive type that engage in forward thinking sometimes. And, no beauracrat, excuse me, regulator, may regulate without enabling legislation, fed or state.
John MC9 does have a point of legitimate concern. Essentially, regulators cannot ban anything, but that does not prohibit them from making it economically unfeasible to continue operating something. Such is the case of 2 cycle diesels in CA. However, historically, out of consideration of the poor of their constituency, they allow for exemptions in their legislation. If u are using a 2 stroker DD for commercial purposes, they reason, u are making money and therefore not poor, so replace it. On the other hand, if it is your private vehicle, for your private use, go ahead and use it (grand-fathering), but you can't sell it to someone else to use, because you then are making money with it and no longer poor. Thus, by legislative thinking, we DD 2 strokers are just poor folk doing the best we can with what we have. The concern comes when looking at more recent legislative history; they care less and less about the poor every time they go into session. |
charlesseaton
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 10:50 am: | |
As far as NY goes; no you cannot buy or register a new diesel passenger car in New York. However, if you purchase a used diesel vehicle from another state, you can then register that vehicle in New York. As far as these rules having in impact on bus conversion owners, I don't think so. There is no real alternative power source for a large bus unless you happen to be a big city transit agency (CNG Hybrid. |
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