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Doug Woodin
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 9:59 pm: | |
I've been off the bus building job for about two years, so I've missed a lot.I'm getting interested in finishing the bus.[My family thinks I need a skrink!][Its at about 85% complete.] I remember reading about a type of battery cap that "captures" the water/acid mist and returns it to the battery.Napa or the local battery store never heard of such a thing. I need to replace both 8N starting batteries, but no one makes them in maintenance free type. I was thinking these special caps would be almost as good. Any suggestions? Comments? Thanks in advance for your help.
Doug Woodin
66-Eagle-01.
Bunnell, Fl. |
Larry
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 10:40 pm: | |
Since 2001 I replaced (3Times)those water sucking always dead 8D batteries with Odyssey, never clean a terminal again, mount anyway you want on side, upside down etc(no I don't sell them);
The new ODYSSEY PC 2150 is a military grade, Group 31-size high-power & deep cycle sealed VRLA battery that will feature a service life 3-4 times longer than typical wet cell batteries currently available, and will provide up to 70% more starting power at low temperatures.
Using pure-lead technology, the new ODYSSEY PC 2150 lasts up to 10 years in operation versus 2-3 years as compared to similar batteries, delivers 75% of full starting power after 12 months in storage without charging, and a 2-year storage life to 50% at room temperature. Additionally, the battery’s thin plate technology provides greater cranking power, especially effective at cold temperatures. For example, the PC 2150 has 70% more starting power at 4oF (-20oC) than wet cell batteries, and can start vehicles at temperatures as low as -20oF (-29oC), then delivering 70% starting capacity.
The battery employs the same rugged military construction supplied by Hawker/EnerSys used in armored vehicles offering improved vibration resistance and durability, while providing high performance operation. This durability is backed by a 4-year full warranty, the longest warranty available in the industry.
The ODYSSEY PC 2150’s sealed Drycell construction prevents external venting, which eliminates terminal corrosion and results in high charge acceptance, increasing a vehicle’s alternator and starter lifespan. Also due to its sealed construction, the PC 2150 is certified non-spillable by US DOT and IATA for unrestricted, safe shipping, and can be mounted and operated in any position.
ODYSSEY PC 2150 is ideal for heavy duty, deep cycle applications such as over the road trucks, fire trucks, buses, construction equipment, refrigerated trailers, standby generators, and RV-motor coaches as well as marine applications.
BATTERY DESIGN
12V battery pure lead VRLA
SAE Group 31 footprint
Rugged military construction
3/8 in. (9.5 mm) corrosion-free stud terminal
Can be mounted in any orientation
Suitcase lifting handle
UPS shippable with no restrictions
Shipped fully charged – just install and go!
PC 2150 GROUP 31 SPECIFICATIONS
CCA: 1,090A at 0ºF (-18ºC)
HCA: 1,545A at 80ºF (27ºC)
MCA: 1,370A at 32ºF (0ºC)
Reserve capacity: 185 minutes
Short circuit current: 4,300A
Deep cycling capability: 400 at 100% DOD
Design life: 12 years
Typical service life: 6 to 8 years
Physical Characteristics
LENGTH: 13.00"
WIDTH: 6.80"
HEIGHT: 9.40"
WEIGHT: 89 lb |
John Jewett (Jayjay)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 11:45 pm: | |
How much...FOB?
Where?
...JJ |
John MC9
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 11:59 pm: | |
AH-HA
The new ODYSSEY PC2150 has a MSRP (manufacturer's suggested retail price) $294.95 |
Jim (Jim_in_california)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 1:28 am: | |
If they're talking about "starting power" then it's probably not a true deep cycle battery and use in that roll will kill 'em unless you have a LOT and don't take the bank below a very light drain, probably no more than a 20% drop or so unless they're very revolutionary indeed.
And then I go look at John MC9's link and what do we see?
Quoting:
>>...and a deep cycle capability of 400 cycles at 80% depth of discharge (DOD)...<<
The site goes on to put their amp/hrs at 100.
Larry ol' son, you screwed up. Bigtime. A Trojan L16 of the newest series is rated at 700 discharge cycles to 80%, gives more amp/hrs (at least 370 at 6v so that's 185 in equivelent 12v) and is cheaper (street price under $200).
Now granted, the L16s weigh more (125lb). So if you wanted less weight, Trojan T105s will perform just about like those Odyssey "superbatteries" in terms of number of deep cycles, will do just a bit more amp/hrs (225 @ 6v) and cost $75 a pop.
Color me WAY unimpressed. You might get 10 years out of these in a STARTER role but no way in hell in a deep cycle use.
Tech details:
http://thesolar.biz/Trojan_batteries.htm
http://thesolar.biz/Cost_Table_batteries.htm
Now, if you want a sealed battery made for deep cycle use, you need a Lifeline/Concorde AGM:
http://thesolar.biz/LIFELINE%20Batteries%20for%20Marine%20and%20RV.htm
...and even then I wouldn't fool around with anything less than 8Ds.
So what did I personally buy?
The smallest HUP they make: 650lbs, 12v, 845amp/hrs, rated at 2100 discharge cycles of 80% (only 20% left), genuine 20 year lifespan. $1800 with free shipping. Water caps are already of the recycle type but otherwise yup, it's a plain ol' flooded lead-acid battery.
The best one ever made.
http://thesolar.biz/hup_solar_one_batteries.htm
The only thing in the same class is the Surrette 5000 series - and while they're not quite as good as HUPs in terms of lifespan, their nylon cases will do better in salt air/marine environments so they're worth checking on for some:
http://thesolar.biz/Surrette_Batteries.htm
Note too that shipping is free on HUPs, not free on Surrettes and since they come out of New England, effective costs on Surrettes rise depending on where in the US you are - out in New York or similar they might be a big savings over a HUP, in California they certainly weren't (over $400 in shipping!).
Surrette also makes a "400" or "4000" series which performs like a Trojan L16 family at similar price/performance levels. Might be an alternative to Trojans for some, esp. closer to New England. |
H340
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 7:14 am: | |
HI Doug! How have you been? How is your wife doing? Haven't heard much from you in a while. If and when you get a chance, or if you need help with anything, give me a call.
Ace |
Timnvt (Timnvt)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 8:16 am: | |
Hydrocaps may have been what you were looking for. I haven't any personal experience with them. The website price is $10.00 per cap, $50.00 for set of 6. Maybe they are cheaper somewhere else.
http://store.solar-electric.com/hydrocaps.html |
Jim Ashworth (Jimnh)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 8:23 am: | |
It seems to me that Larry is using them as start batteries, replacing the 8-D's that are typical in busses. They sound great until the price that John quoted!! MCI uses 2 8-D's and Prevost uses 4 group 31's to start the same engines. I can replace the 8-D's for $125 each or $250. I can replace the 4 group 31's for $65 each or $260. How can I justify $1200 for the same function. I can replace the standard batteries 4 times for the same price. If I get 5 years out of the starting batteries, which I usually do, that's 20 years of regular batteries.
I think I'll pass on the Odyssey's for now.
Jim |
Gary Stadler (Boogiethecat)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 9:10 am: | |
Wow, did this thread go somewhere else! hee hee!
Doug, Tim is correct, you're looking for "Hydrocaps".
They have a little pladium catalyst built in that converts the hydrogen and oxygen generated during charging and back into water and drips it back down into the cells. Theoretically (and pretty much in practice) they put an end to cells using water, as the mechanism that used to make it "go away" now turns into a recycling situation.
They are a bit tall and they get pretty hot during charging (a byproduct of the H+20=H20 reaction)
but if you can put up with that, they will put an end to most of your battery maintainance problems...assuming that you keep them charged properly.
I've used them and they work really well- unfortunately I can't put them on my current bus due to height restrctions or I'd have em on there in a heartbeat!
Cheers |
Larry
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 10:57 am: | |
WOW I did take it off course, no Idea where to get caps..but he did ask for - Any suggestions and Comments.
Oh yea of little faith. I use 2 batteries for my starting set. Not 4, don't let the size full you. Yes They are costly but you get a full replacement (no charge) 4 year. So far no problem.
Some need to research a little more to understand what goes on in a battery.
Gee I don't know why I bother to try and help, too just get get some bashing. I noticed a lot of misquoting of information, or just plan reading to fast and missing the details, or just plan don't want to lessen, yes deep cycle starting batteries. Subject you look at Optima, Exide and many more out there now, which are dual use. Also cheaper if that's the problem.
Weight is 89 lbs and a 4106 will hold 2 per shelf. Prevost will hold in there allotted space, more. Yes I own one of these.
Yes maybe I'm thin skinned and also don't express myself well, along with poor use of English. But every time I put a post in here I get few replies. I'm maybe not any kind of expert, but I have worked at many different trades and hold -PE, Electrical, and Mechanical degree, Which was required for my state PE, Along with hydraulics.
Owned numerous (several) successful business. Prior to retirement at 53 in 95.
Yes I'm patting my own back, I had no old money to start (I get that every time I do some bragging) We were so poor I couldn't pay attention, when I started.
Have several Patents which have been sold to several major firms, of the DJIA.
But I still don't know much.
I get a kick out of so many reinventing the wheel.
I'm not knocking all, I see some great posts from people who obviously worked in the bus or related type trades, and or do a lot of correct research.
I do enjoy this site, at least I can read it and enjoy it with out my $.02. |
Larry
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 12:09 pm: | |
There I go again "listen" , oh well plenty more I imagine. |
John MC9
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 2:24 pm: | |
Larry-
Don't go into hibernation, just keep posting away and don't
worry about the return shots. There isn't a person here that
hasn't come under fire, and no-one is right all the time. We're
human; we make mistrakes (not that you have, of cuz).
Now that I've said -that-.... I feel the same as Jim (and Jim),
your battery choice is expensive as all hell. Group 31 batteries
are available all over, and WalMart's return warrantee is excellent.
The 8d's are needed for commercial bus operation, but once
the OE air and fans, and lighting are out, the 31s are said to
work fine. |
Jim Stacy
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 4:20 pm: | |
Hydrocap
975 NW 95th St
Miami, FL 33150
(305)696-2504
He will send you a form to fill out for correct fit to your batteries and installation.
Caps work great. I have used them for years. Check battery water twice a year, no corrosion.
Jim Stacy |
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