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Gary Stadler (Boogiethecat)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 12:38 am: | |
I have about 10 gallons of clean kerosene that I want to get rid of... well it was in my parts washer for a while but I've removed and filtered it so it's at least particulate and water-wise clean...
Wondering if I simply dump it into the bus tank, maybe a gallon or two per 60 gallons when I fill er up, if it would mess anything up, or just run fine.
I used to get rid of stuff like unwanted paint thinner by mixing it in with my Blazer's gas... seems burning it is always nicer than evaporating it or dumping it..
comments?
Cheers |
Kevin Black (Kblackav8or)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 5:48 am: | |
I think you are safe. If you are worried about lubricity issues, dump a bottle of 2 stroke oil in with it. Some folks use ATF, I wouldn't, it isn't designed to be burned. 2 stroke oil is designed to burn and to lubricate. You probably could dump it in as is without problems since diesel is largely similar to kerosene anyway. |
Chuck Newman (Chuck_newman)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 8:00 am: | |
Have used STP gas treatment from time to time on old trucks. Seems to have helped a little. Recently, had some bad gas problems and used a newer STP in white bottle that says made with jet fuel. I know jet fuel is kerosene, though probably better refined than what we get. Anyway, the old 22R Toyota engine seems to have new life in it.
Has anyone else had this effect with small amounts of kerosene in the gas?
Chuck Newman
Oroville, CA |
charlesseaton
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 9:09 am: | |
Have used small amount of kerosene when running old 671-powered buses in winter. |
Doug Dickinson (Dougd470)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 9:40 am: | |
Kerosine is also called #1 diesel fuel and is used in transit applications as well as WAY up north in winter. It will run just fine this time of year most anywhere and mixed - it won't make any measurable difference - BUT - I would not put anything in the tank of my diesel that could have chemical impurities in it. You may have filtered out the "chunks", but disolved chemicals may be in there from washing of parts (they pick up all kinds of stuff in an engine compartment).
My suggestion is to burn it off in a kerosene heater in a well ventilated place and don't take a change with your 3000 lb chunk of iron.
My $0.02 worth
Doug
St Louis MC9 |
Ed Jewett (Kristinsgrandpa)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 9:40 am: | |
According to DD,in my manual, the horsepower drops a little. They also give certain instances where kerosene can be used in extreme cold weather. It helps to keep the No. 2 from gelling.
Ed. |
Mallie
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 9:41 am: | |
Your detroit will run fine on kerosene which is #1 diesel. I would be concerned about it being in a parts washer. It could cost your a fuel filter.
Mallie Lennon |
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 11:32 am: | |
we used 5 gal. of ker. per 500 gallons of deisel if we had to much summer deisel in the storage tanks at the start of the winter season so if you dumped all that you have into your bus fuel tankit will dilute it to the point that you could have real engin troubleit will wash yhe liners and ruin the rings and sleeves. but if you do dump it all in at once afer you have driven it 500 miles let us know how the engine runs please. |
Henry R. Bergman, Jr. (Henryofcj)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 6:06 pm: | |
Yeah, how clean is clean? You MAY (and maybe not) be running a risk of getting some sort of unknown dirt or water into your fuel system. You choice. |
jimmci9 #2
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 7:53 pm: | |
at our shop after we pull horsepower on the dyno with red diesel, we use kerosene to "pickle' the fuel system...it seems to do better than just plain diesel... the kerosene is also treated with "bio-bor".. keeps the bugs out of the fuel also... sometimes the engines sit for months before a customer will need them...cheap insurance againt a stuck rack or clogged injectors... |
David Hartley (Drdave)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 7:54 pm: | |
Just use it to dilute waste veggie oil and filter it real well. somewhere I saw the ratio was bout 80% veggie to 20% kero or something like that. Or was that 90 /10 ratio, Don't remember now.
I will test that theory in a week or so if I get a chance on a non-bus engine first! |
R. Steve Nichol (N4rsn)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2005 - 1:40 pm: | |
If kerosene hurt an engine, I would have distroyed mine a long time ago.
Pour it in, and don't worry about it. Don't go over 10 percent, and make sure it is filtered good, or it will cost you a set of fuel filters.
I am presuming you are using a 2-cycle Detroit, or a cummins 855 style engine. Don't know about Cat.
My 2 cents
Steve |
Jerry Liebler (Jerry_liebler)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 9:04 pm: | |
David,
10% kerosese, 5% unleaded gasoline, 85% clean WVO
+ 1/4% 'Diesel-Kleen +Cetane boost' is a proven recipe. But only good in warm weather(above freezing), add 5% more kerosene for each 10 degrees below. |
John MC9
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 8:46 am: | |
OK...... News flash:
German inventor says he's found a way to make cheap diesel fuel |
Gary Stadler (Boogiethecat)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 5:33 pm: | |
This is absolutely true. There is a prototype Butterball turkey plant in Carthage, Missouri, that is doing basically the same thing with leftover turkey parts.
They shove all the bio-remnant parts (turkey guts, feathers, bones, etc) into a giant reactor that basically uses heat and lye to turn it all into fuel oil.
They then found that they can use that oil to run a generation plant that supplies the entire needs of the factory plus makes an extra few hundred barrels of oil per day to sell in the open market.
Here's a great article on it if you're interested:
http://www.mindfully.org/Energy/2003/Anything-Into-Oil1may03.htm
Turkeys...cats...people... it's all the same as raw materials go... although I won't be volunteering Boogiethecat or any of my friends to be reprocessed- I like em too much.
Hmmm, I wonder how many miles you could get from a couple o' dogs...
Soylent green, here we come.... |
Mike (Busone)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 10:26 pm: | |
I posted about that here a while ago and it was misunderstood. Somebody here thought they were just burning the guts. The company that came up with the plant is. It would be nice to recycle all plastics and not have to sort them. They are also working on converting the plastics and rubber from schreded cars. If it works and they make the system available it will be a great thing. http://www.changingworldtech.com/ |