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keith d dyson

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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 4:28 pm:   

could any body help me out please with a schematic drawing and wiring numbers for a ddec2 60 series engine .engine came out of a white gmc semi racetruck that had an allison autobox .the rules have changed and we have fitted a manual gearbox, ever since then it has had poor acceleration i need to trace a few wires .the ecu could be waiting for a signal from the autobox thanks in advance
H3-40

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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 5:55 pm:   

Call Gene Rochester. If anyone can help with a race truck it's him! He used to race them too and he knows electronics like his own name!

864/888-8578

Tell him his buddy from Florida sent you! I promise he won't hang up when you do! :-)

Ace
Sammy (Sammy)

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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 8:16 pm:   

What wires do you want to trace??
The only signal DDEC usually looks for is the VSS.
Let me know, I'd be happy to try to help you.
Sammy
Chuck Newman (Chuck_newman)

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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 8:38 pm:   

Keith,

DDDEC II looks at a number of things. Each generation DDEC monitors more parameters. You really need the DDEC Installation and Troubleshooting manuals. They are frequently on eBay in paper or CD format for a small price.

The DD Series 60 didn't come out until DDEC III. I would be surprised if it had version II unless someone has tinkered with the engine.

You will also need a scanner. Without it or manuals you will be shooting in the dark.

Good luck.

Chuck Newman
Oroville, CA
JR

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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 9:17 pm:   

Have you considered going to a truck salvager and buying a used DDEC ECM? They are not as expensive as buying a reader, manuals, etc only to find that your ECM has been reprogrammed for additional performance and the reader cannot interpret the alterations. A stock correct year ECM from a manual trans tractor may work on your unit without any mods...permanently. I suppose this depends on what engine components have been modified by race truck guys? Much more fuel, turbo parameters, RPM, exhaust temp, injection timing...
May be able to remove your ECM and see what a DDEC dealer can see. May have a glitch...probably an induced glitch. Considering that an Allison comunicates with a DDEC unit for road speed (VSS), load vs throttle position vs gear selection, and shutdown codes (overheat), the ECM may be looking for trans data that is causing a limp-mode run condition.
Your ECM may be working, and some other gremlin or odd tuning is affecting your performance.
As someone has suggested, a call to the racetruck guys may be enlightening.
keith d dyson

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Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 7:27 am:   

hi thanks for the help so far .just been to the racetruck and the cables i need to identify are 217, d505,(d509a,d419 i think these two are for the warning lights) (dop, d68 these two cables are with the cooling module connector block)and there is a orange wire that goes to the injectors? that is not marked .we have a code reader but no faults showing .the exhaust is a 90 bend and 4 foot of pipe to the floor and the turbo is a schwitzer sd400 making 45 to 60lb boost the engine is still in a racetruck .we area british racing team thanks in advance
Pete/RTS Daytona (Pete_rtsdaytona)

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Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 8:15 am:   

Keith

419 pin B1 -- Check Engine light driver

509 pin B2 -- stop engine light driver

505 pin K1 -- tach driver

217 pin ?? -- (can't find this one)

217 (tell me what pin ??)

30 pin connector A-K ??
30 pin connector L-Y ??
6 pin Power connector A-F ??
6 pin injector connector A-E ??
6 pin injector connector G-L ??


any questions call me - I have a ddec II book
for my 6V92 2 cycle ??

I can also scan pages to a .PDF file and send them to you

386 672 - 0571
386 672 - 2089 cell (working on the bus today)

Pete RTS/Daytona
Sammy (Sammy)

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Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 6:06 pm:   

Keith, Could your 217 wire possibly be a 417 wire?
If so, the 417 wire is the TPS signal to DDEC.It goes from the TPS connector(B) to D-2 on the 30 pin vehicle harness connector. It's a dark blue wire.The Orange wire could be wire 472 - from cavity R3 of the 30 pin engine harness to the fuel temp sensor - pin B. I recommend using the ECM from the trans "donor engine".The parameters will probably be more like what your looking for.
Best of luck with the "hot rod".
Sammy
keith d dyson

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Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 9:29 am:   

many thanks to you all especially sammy
i have found out three problems with the wiring no stop engine light,no check engine light and low coolant sorted out the low coolant problem, wire broken .and will get to the lights on sunday . does anybody have gene rochester's email address? it would be good to correspond with some body else who has raced detroit 60 series engines .does any body know if when you have a problem with the warning lights that the ecu goes into limp mode or shutdown thanks once again .
keith d dyson
Sammy (Sammy)

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Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 9:46 pm:   

Keith, glad to be able to help.
Hopefully the pages I sent you will do the job.
Send or post a few pics if you get a chance.
Best of luck.
Sammy

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