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H3-40

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Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 11:19 pm:   

If you saw our coach last year, you know we didn't have a kitchen. Well as of last week we still didn't, but we do now and with running hot water! In the pics you can see we opted for a convection oven that will be housed in it's own cabinet. It will also have a cabinet overhead. The sink is a Dura-cast sink found at HD along with a Pegasus faucet. The fridge is from none other than Sears. The size and color was right and the door opened the way we needed it to, not to mention it was on sale for 400 bucks! It barely fit thru the door but that's over with now. It's In, and it works fine! I opted to mount the monitors in the dead space over the fridge and they are viewed easy and very accessible. I put what monitors I have off to one side to allow space for future monitors. On the left side of fridge there is a broom closet. I mean what else can you do with a space that is an angle from the fridge being turned? The lower kitchen cabinet will have a slide out pantry on the right side for can goods, etc.. The upper cabinet goes in tomorrow with custom glass inserted in 4 doors. The bar counter has room for two wrought iron/mosaic stone and suede cusioned bar stools that were ordered in at 209 bucks each. OUCH, but that's the good news. Matching chairs that will provide seating for two at a small custom built table mounted to the side wall were also ordered in at 238 bucks. I never paid so much just to sit my ass down! :-) We also added Bali shades to the BR windows just today and they made it feel like it was all coming together...finally!
We still have to purchase LR furniture and a TV for up front. We also have the ceiling to do but that will come in time after we are sure nothing else needs to be added! But my idea of that is it will be removeable just in case!
Enjoy the pics! Some are good and some are not. Camera lens must be a little dirty and I didn't catch it!
More to come as more gets done! I hope by next November most of this stuff is done. This makes two years in a row we have busted our butts in a month or less to get stuff done! Dang bus rallies anyway, but I love em!! :-)

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Ace
John MC9

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Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 11:33 pm:   

Ace -

Man, you is doin' one Proooooo-fesional job!! Lookin' good!!

Mike Newell - - Watch out!
Rusty Thompson (Rusty)

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Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 1:11 am:   

Did you do all the work yourself... like making those beautiful cabinets. Is that a laminate over the top or is that real wood. Any way look great.
David Hartley (Drdave)

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Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 6:12 am:   

Makes me sad.
I only got a $900 mattress, $600 toilet, $ 900 washer dryer combo, 3000 watt Inverter, 10kw diesel Onan, 196 gallons fresh, 80 black & 100 grey, 12 gallon water heater and a few other things but it's functional.

My paint looks like crap, My woodworking skils look like crap, My window skinning is unfinished and looks like crap, I even look like crap!

But on the other hand I have seen much worse!!!:-)

I keep telling myself that it's only a hobby. Good thing I didn't build a submarine!! (HA!)..

~Nev-R-Done~
83 MC9 (NJT)

I still haven't figured out what I wanna be when I grow up.

Dave...
H3-40

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Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 8:58 am:   

Rusty, no, in this case, I am only the helper! A friend of mine is doing the cabinets. He usually does home cabinets but wanted something different to challenge his brain. With my ideas and $$$ and his brains along with his knowledge, it's getting done slow but sure.
It's all dark cherry laminate over plywood, not particle board with curved corners using different size milled radious's.

Thanks for the comments but Dave, not sure where your coming from! :-)

Ace
Cliff (Floridacracker)

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Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 12:37 pm:   

Ace,

Looks Great!

I can't wait to see your kitchen area in person.

We have been talking about a similar idea on ours and seeing the real thing will help solidify some ideas I have.

Thanks for sharing.

Cliff
David Hartley (Drdave)

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Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 1:16 pm:   

I LIKE what you have done!

I think it's great that you found someone with the skills and workmanship to get your cabinets to look that good.

Do you think your guy would do a few cabinets for me? ( rescue me from myself? )..:-)

I can never get that lucky and fancy it seems. I try to come up with designs like yours and always seem to end up buying more and more tools but never seem to get anything actually done.

Don't mind me, It's the season to be grumpy and misunderstood. :-)
Sean Mormelo (Sventvkg)

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Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 4:57 pm:   

Ace....You bus is looking AWESOME man!! Keep it up!!!!
Rusty Thompson (Rusty)

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Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 6:02 pm:   

Thanks for the info.... Just a few more questions. The Laminate that your using, it is actual cherry not some cherry looking formica. Second what is the thickness on the Laminate the you are using so that you get such a good bend out of it.... maby I should just get a book on using wood laminates. It's just that your cabinets look a lot better than what I planned and Im getting all kinds of great ideas. Thanks again for all the gteat pictures.
H3-40

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Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 6:24 pm:   

Rusty the laminate I am using is sort of like Formica but it is Wilsonart Premium #7923-07 and the name is Versailles Anigre
The thickness is about 1/16 or maybe less. The bends or curved corners are glued over pre milled "rounds" to get the rounded affect. Makes for a lot less chipped corners and also adds to being more stable!

Thanks again and sorry it's not real cherry! :-)

Ace
ChuckMC9 (Chucks)

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Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 8:04 pm:   

Ace, I expected nothing less than first class.

But when you said, "With my ideas and $$$ and his brains" didn't you mean $u$an's $$$'s? :-)
H3-40

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Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 10:16 pm:   

No not really! We have an agreement. Susan pays the bills at the house and I pay for the conversion! Besides, since doing the Kettle Corn deal, it has helped to get some of the better items needed for the bus and that came from the hard work the two of us put into it on weekends !!

Ace
Rusty Thompson (Rusty)

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Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 10:56 pm:   

Dont' get me wrong Ace I have no problem with laminates, they are durable, beautiful, and they are fairly easy to work with from my little experiance. I saw some laminating on tv and they had to heat it to make it flexable enough to form around the corners. Is this what you do or is the brand that you use more easily bent so it doesn't need heating. Thanks for all your assistance I realy appreciate the help
H3-40

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Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 11:06 pm:   

Today we found a pretty nifty LCD wall mount bracket for our small flat screen tv/dvd combo that will be used in the BR. Cheaper priced than most I have seen at 50 bucks and it can be used to mount on a flat wall or from ceiling which allows the tv to swing down for viewing. We opted to mount it on the wall. You can discard the swing arm and mount it directly to wall which gets the tv closer to wall. It can still swivel and rotate doing it this way as well. Oh yea, we found it at HD covered with dust! They also had the same type that was a little more money that mounts under a cabinet and folds up and away! After installing it on the wall, we almost forgot what it was like to watch TV without using two or three pillows. Now it's very comfortable, especially when you have to use bi-focals!
Let's see, with that done, and after drilling and fabricating hardware so the fridge doors won't open as you travel, and the dash lights fixed permanetly, the very small window leak that has always dripped when raining hard and the end for the upper cabinet fabricated and fitted, I think I'll call it a night! Tomorrow leads me to having the job of installing the finally finished upper cabinet. Then the mirror back splash between the upper and lower cabinet and hopefully by Wednesday, I'll be able to install the convection oven upper cabinet. Susan gets the job of finishing the wallpaper, installing the cabinet door glass on 6 doors and maybe hardware (knobs and pulls) but that is still up in the air!
Oh how that rally gets closer and closer! LOL

later...
Ace
H3-40

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Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 11:11 pm:   

Sorry Rusty, I didn't see you snuck a post in on me before I posted!
I'll try to answer your question about heating the laminate. To sum it up, yes and no! Yes we heat it but only on small radious's. No we don't heat it on large ones. You can't make the bend TOO sharp or it will want to pull itself off. I used milled radious's from 3 inch to 6 inch and none have given any problems yet and I don't foresee any!

Will you be making the trip to Arcadia? If so, your more than welcome to look over what has been done so far and maybe you can get a better idea! Sometimes I don't explain things too well when typing!

Ace
Pete/RTS Daytona (Pete_rtsdaytona)

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Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 8:38 am:   

I'm no expert here - but most Laminates - are generaly available in two thicknesses -

The type you find at Lowes and Home depot is referred to as "counter Grade" - it is thick enough to provide some protection from deep scratches going thru the product -

the other common type used in the industry is "VT" (i think it stands for "very thin ??) -

VT is much thinner and can be easily formed around much much tighter corners - without heating -

I used VT on all my cabinet doors and any vertical work - because it is much easier to work with - just score and snap -

I think wilsonart and formica are the biggest suppliers.

Pete RTS/Daytona
robert mc8

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Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 10:39 pm:   

actually theres three grades of laminate. The thickest is standard than postforming used to make preformed tops. Last theres verticle grade for wall or other surface other than tops. nice job ace
H3-40

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Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 12:17 am:   

We I just got home. It's been a long day at work AND working on the bus. I got the upper cabinet installed, and whew what a job! Well, it is when you have to take it down after it's up and in place, only to re-route the pre installed wires for the cabinet lights. It's one of those change of plans after the fact things. That's done and the lights look and work good too! They kind of give it a real kitchen feeling. While I played around with that project, Susan was busy staining more trim for the bathroom doorway and window frames. With that out of the way tonight, it looks like mirror backsplash time IF it ever gets here.
Actually working on the bus wasn't so bad and I know it looks like I got home late but the real truth is, I fell asleep on the bed watching a govenor of Ca. movie.

Later...
Ace
Marc Bourget

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Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 12:47 pm:   

Looking good Ace!

Not to dissuade anybody's tastes, instead, a desire to provide more info on the subject of curved laminates, I offer the following

I have a high school friend that owns and operates a custom laminating company. Big operation, large crew, 40,000 ft bldg. Both Synthetic and Natural laminates (some wood "skins" are almost $400 each for 4' x 8' skins)

I'd pay attention to Rusty's question about heating. Despite 25 years in the business and all the equipment you'd want, he won't do radiused laminates - even for his own house.

He recommends heating/steaming in any case if you chose to use curved laminates. Also recommends very high $$ glues and (sometimes) "bagging" to apply pressure if you're building radiused laminates. (Custom frame with an inflatable air bag to distribute pressure around the radius while glue sets)

He agrees that lots of people can do it successfully, (bagging isn't always necessary - but helpful) However, without releaving the stress, curved laminates are like continental drift, slowly but surely, an irresistable force working against a "moveable" glue.

In sum, this is not to say don't, not at all - I gained this info because I want to do it myself.

It's just a recommendation - if you do - to CONSIDER investing the extra effort to bend with heat or steam.

As Jack Conrad often says YMMV.
Doug G

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Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2005 - 10:11 pm:   

Those three can lights over the bath sink- what are they and where did you find them?
H3-40

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Posted on Friday, December 16, 2005 - 12:06 am:   

Doug they are from Home Depot. I guess you call them puck lights and they are halogen. They put off a little heat if left on for a long period too FWIW but they sure are bright!

Ace

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