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| Tim Jones (Torquester)
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We had a short training session today from the kind folks at Detroit Diesel and their local dealership. DD says that in the year 2010 the Series 60 engine will be replaced with a new platform. This new platform will also be the basis for the MBE900 and MBE 4000. The reason for this new platform is to enable use with the ultra low sulfur fuels (ULSF), and emissions standards mandated by our government for the year 2010. They say that these engines will exhaust air which is cleaner than they intake. (I assume that they mean that in regards to NOx and particulates.) I really wonder if the ULSF will have the lubricity that we need to keep our old engines running. We will learn a little this year as 80% of our fuel stations will be stocked with the 2007 standard ULSF by October. In 2010 the sulfur content will be so low it is almost non existent. On a different subject we learned a little about some of the current engine management software from Mercedes Benz. This software logs so much information that a technician can see exactly how a vehicle is being driven. If a driver were to be involved in an accident and this logged information were to get into the wrong hands...the lawyers could have a field day. Ugh. Tq | ||
| John MC9 Rating: N/A |
So, uhh... 4 years from now, we won't find fuel we can burn? Or it'll be so expensive, we won't want to burn it.. We'll want to put it in glass barrels in our living rooms, to show off our great wealth and affluence.. Yeah.. Man... our days may be numbered. I knew I shoulda' just bought another stick & staple.. | ||
| akrom Rating: N/A |
we sure wish you would. then mebbe you would be off hte board. akrom | ||
| truthhunter@shaw.ca Rating: N/A |
I am sure we can always find some way to add a substitute lubricant into the fuel tank of our old 2 stroke detriots and if the regulators give us a hard time we can just run the exhaust threw one of those fancy new engines to clean it up to standard, wouldn't hurt to have double the hp. would it. | ||
| Ed Jewett (Kristinsgrandpa)
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Hmmm... The first thing that came to my mind was "how much are the additives going to cost" to keep our fine collectibles going. The longevity of our engines won't make the change over as easy as the change was to unleaded gasoline. Ed | ||
| John MC9 Rating: N/A |
Hey Akrom.... SMOOoooooCH~~~*  | ||
| John MC9 Rating: N/A |
Thankfully, some of us will be able to register our bus as an antique, avoiding some of the pollution control requirements. An additive to add some sulfur and ash to the new diesel blend, shouldn't be too expensive, but the new blend of fuel, may be. If it goes much higher, who's going to be out bussn' around? | ||
| Brian Elfert
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Why would you want to add sulphur and ash to diesel fuel? Older methods to remove sulphur also removed some of the lubricating properties of the diesel, but newer removal methods seem to have fixed this. I have read that sulphuris not a lubricant. I have read that they are adding either additives or biodiesel to ULSD to make sure ULSD has enough lubricity. Is there any government organization that can force older diesels off the street? In California, the government is forcing public entities to either retrofit old diesels or replace them with clean diesels or CNG engines. I don't believe they can force private companies to replace old diesels. My coach has a Series 60 so I think I will be safe emissions wise for a lot longer than the folks with two strokers. Brian Elfert | ||
| james dean boggs (Jd_boggs)
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This might help some of us retrofit our old rigs. What will happen is that many rigs running Series 60 engines will be replaced with the new platform and release 1,000's of perfectly good Series 60's out into the used market. The used engines might be available at lower prices than the used 8V92's. I hope. | ||
| Brian Elfert
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Why would anyone replace a perfectly good Series 60 unless there is a government mandate? If there was a government mandate, how could you retrofit one into your old coach legally. How many coaches would really be repowered versus just purchasing a new one? The only way I can see government forcing older private diesels off the road would be to mandate very strict emissions testing that older engines can't pass. In California, the government is providing incentives for private entities to replace older engines of all types. Right now, professional users of backpack blowers in the LA area can get free $400 backpack blowers if they turn in old ones. The new ones are four stroke instead of two stroke I believe. I sure hope my tax dollars in Minnesota aren't payng to give away $400 backpack blowers in California. Brian Elfert | ||
| ned sanders (Uncle_ned)
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wish they would hurry. want a series 60 and world transmision for my 04. also want the genuis that would make it work. ned sanders "huggy bear" | ||
| james dean boggs (Jd_boggs)
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Brian Elfert, Rest easy. Your money is not being spent in CA. Seems there was a recall of back pack blowers by 5 large companies totaling about 50,500 blowers. Fuel tanks were exploding and folks were burning to death. This is just an incentive to get the faulty blowers off the street and avoid liability issues with ine injured users. http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml06/06008.html | ||
| Richard Bowyer (Drivingmisslazy)
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Blowers were being banned in the late 90's while I lived in Pasadena, CA. Both for air pollution and noise pollution. Richard | ||
| Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
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Hello Relax on the emissions thing, please? No one is going to legislate newer emission standards on an older engine. If they do anything to us house car/motorhome/private bus types, which is doubtful, since there aren't enough of us to make a difference for the political trouble we'd create, the old engine will have to be within a reasonable range of the standards of its day, not the standards of today. Same as the regime in those states and provinces that test cars today for emission compliance. Your 1992 Chevrolet has to be within so far of the 1992 emission standards. Your 2005 Ford has to meet 2005 standards. So, if your motor is good, primarily meaning that it doesn't smoke under reasonable throttle settings, it will pass with flying colours. happy coaching! buswarrior | ||
| John MC9 Rating: N/A |
That's not the case in "the states", ma'man. | ||
| Eric Lake (Dc_bus_nut)
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Love you BusWarrior. I always wanted a couple of acres in that my neighboring country. This might be the catalyst that makes it happen!! =-) | ||
| john w. roan (Chessie4905)
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Let me know if any of you want to remove one of those dirty obsolete 8V-92TA Silvers, and replace it with a less obsolete 60 series.I will come and pick up the 92 series and won't even charge you.  | ||
| Marc Bourget Rating: N/A |
Obsolete - hardly, The design may be out of production but it isn't obsolete until the manufacturer stops supporting it and/or the cost of operation is greater than replacement cost. This just means the price will come down for us converters. Typical after production support periods are 20 yrs for ethical mfgs. | ||
| Gary Carter Rating: N/A |
Also means that DD may still be supporting the 2 strokers because of military and marine usage long after support for the series 60 halts. | ||
| Gary Carter Rating: N/A |
As a side note does anyone know what happened with clean cam tech. Their web site has not been updated in at least 3 years. http://www.cctskit.com/ |