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| JW Smythe (Jwsmythe)
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G'morning http://busrv.com/jwsmythe/floorplans/PV-RTS-02-Apr-2006-floorplan.jpg Could some of you have a look at my current/latest floorplan drawing, and give me your opinions? My apologies for the size. It's 1280 wide, so you can read my chickenscratch handwriting. Each square is 6"x6". The little square over the kitchen counter is the TV projector. The shaded areas are the steps. I think the rest are obvious. The two different wall lines are the difference between the floor width and the wall width. You can see all the dirty nasty pictures at http://busrv.com/jwsmythe/ The first set is from the day we arrived with it. The second set is the first dismantling day. I'll be scanning my measurement notes and blank floorplan one of these days. | ||
| John MC9 Rating: N/A |
When laying out your floor plans, make sure you consider what is under your design. Will your drains fall inside a bay, or between? | ||
| David (Davidinwilmnc)
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The position of the refrigerator would be irritating to me. It's convenient to get to it frim the living area of the coach, but not from the kitchen. In kitchens I've used in houses with a similar design, it wasn't particularly convenient. Good work, though. I need to get working taking my plans from my head and putting them on paper. That'll be easier said than done! | ||
| DebDav (Debdav)
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I like it. Instead of swinging doors into the bath and bedroom why not try sliders. One at the kitchen and one at the bedroom. This will increase the space in the bath and still provide privacy. the only caveat is that you lose hallway travel when the bath is in use. If you move the toilet towards the front of the bus and slide a door next to it, you then can regain the hall space unless privacy when bathing is important. (Could be fun) | ||
| Nick Badame Refrigeration Co. (Dnick85)
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JW, The Refrig. also bothers me. Mebe you could move it to the sink wall. Also, the cabnits in the bedroom seem like they will be HEADBANGERS! Nick- | ||
| David Dulmage (Daved)
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I'd see if I could get a 54" long bathtub. The extra 6" is spaced saved will be noticeable. We have a full bath in our MC-8 with a 54" tub placed cross-wise (in our case the tub is at the side of the bath closer to the front of the bus) and this works well for us. We used a sliding door for the bath room, didn't for the bedroom. If we could do it over again, we would probably use a sliding door for the bedroom as well. We laid out the rooms on the floor with tape, then brought our major components such as the refrigerator, sofa, dinette and two captain's chairs and moved them around until it felt right to us. What we had drawn on paper just didn't feel as comfortable when we mocked it up. FWIW Dave Dulmage (MC-8) | ||
| Casper4104 Rating: N/A |
Some of your walkways in the kitchen are only 18" wide - maybe your butts narrower than mine. Have you done the masking tape on the floor thing yet? Casper | ||
| Linda-4104-FL Rating: N/A |
Uff da! Ya, dat's a narrow walkway! We know a guy who actually went beyond the masking tape on the floor bit and made 3-dimensional mockups (with cardboard, cheap thin plywood, panel boards, etc.) of his counter tops, fridge etc. and that really helped figure things out. A little time-consuming to make the mockups, but easier to move them around than the actual appliances. | ||
| David Hartley (Drdave)
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Scenicruisers aisle was only 22 inches wide... I guess it depends on whether its your Butt or Gut that's thinner. It's tough when you measure clothes by diameter.... | ||
| David Hartley (Drdave)
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JW, Nice layout but unless you do some serious underbody renovation it's not going to work. That floorplan is nice but assuming that there is room underneath for plumbing in some odd locations. Look under your bus.. air tanks and battery box and heavy crossmembers are going to be in the way. You cannot cut those bulkheads either or the rear end will fall off... You have about 17 inches available from the bottom of the bulkheads up to the floor. Not a lot of room to stuff things into for the permanent systems. The distance from the back of the drivers seat to the back wall is much less than you have planned for. Basically forget that first 5 feet as driver, dash and entrance. Then you have about 31 feet usable to the back. Keep thinking.. You will find a way to do it, Just maybe a little different due to it being an RTS layout.. | ||
| Casper4104 Rating: N/A |
I AM in shape! Round is a shape,,, | ||
| JW Smythe (Jwsmythe)
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David, It's 31' 6" from the back of the shell around the drivers seat (which will get re-engineered, but...) to the back wall of the interior cabin. The bays are 19 1/2" tall from the bottom of the second span to the bottom of the bay. They're 20" tall from the floor to the bottom of the bay, at the wall. Each bay has 4'11" available space forward to back. The sections make 5'. There are no cabinets drawn into the bedroom. The left and right boxes are the rear wheelwells. The rear box is the old rear seat. I'll be building a bed frame on top of those, to put the queen bed on. As drawn, the toilet and both sinks are over the bay with air tanks. The forward 6" of the tub is over this bay. If I bump the bathroom forward 1 foot, that would put all the drains over the air bay. The other option would be to run the drain for the tub diagonally and put the trap lower in the line. There are four bays with usable space between the front and rear tires. From front to back, they are: Bay 1: Radio box (to be removed). Otherwise empty Bay 2: 125 gallon diesel fuel tank Bay 3: Compressed air tanks, 3 in the rear, 1 in the front. Bay 4: passenger side: wheelchair lift center: empty, with large support crossmembers drivers side: batteries I was undecided on if I should move the diesel fuel tank back or the air tanks forward. The air tanks will probably be moved forwards. Some people mentioned concerns in other threads about the "high pressure lines". They only hold 150psi, so they're not that high. I had over 1000psi NOS lines run through my car. Ya, a little trickier but far from impossible. 1000psi liquid that vaporized immediately when unpressurized is a lot more dangerous to work with, but fun to see frozen parts. My girlfriend agrees with you guys about the fridge. She said to move the sink into the corner by the stove, move the stove forward a foot, and put the fridge against the bathroom wall by the hallway. The "counter" space indicated on the passenger side was just drawn as a filler. It seemed like a waste of space, but not necessary. We've agreed to put hanging cabinets over the forward kitchen counter. I need something there anyways for the TV projector. She'd like bifold doors rather than swinging doors. I wanted swinging doors, because they'll block sound better. At night, I can be at the desk, working, talking on the phone, listening to music, or whatever, and she can be in the back sleeping or watching tv. The other thought is if we have our kids out (Hers is 10. Mine are 9 and 11), they can be doing their thing in the front, and we can be privately having adult moments in the back.  | ||
| JW Smythe (Jwsmythe)
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... and as for my scrawny butt, have a look at the pictures, I'm shown standing in front of the bus, top right picture of this set: http://busrv.com/jwsmythe/3.13.2006/ | ||
| David Hartley (Drdave)
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Ok, That works... You will have plenty of headroom for sure. I am not tall either so the standard 6'3" MCI rear headroom works for me. I think Pete moved his air tanks and made room back there too, His RTS is a 35 foot X 102". That's the bay I worked my tanks around in my RTS but I fudged on tank sizes and paid for it many times. The doors thing can be tricky. I tried bi-fold once and due to the curvature and my placement made that a problem. Pocket doors made up from scratch works very well but you have to allow for the extra hide-space and they are easy to make from good plywood and a few skills... I finally disposed of my RTS after 9 years, I gave it away along with the extra engine,tranny and parts to a good home where it will see the road again after a remodel and fixup... It just killed me sitting in the back yard waiting for me to pay attention to it again. | ||
| JW Smythe (Jwsmythe)
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I won't be cutting down my air any. I already ran it out of air once, backing it to where it is now. It has a little air leak that I need to deal with eventually. It's an easy one to fix, I just have to do it. I'll consider the sliding doors, but I don't particularly like them, and neither does my girlfriend. Every house I've lived in that has sliding doors, they get jammed. The one in my kitchen gets stuck half way open most of the time. We hit Lowes today, and got very anxious about the bus. They had a returned 5' long fiberglass bathtub for $50. Too bad it's 2500 miles from the bus, and I want to get the bathtub in before the walls are finished. They had nice 24" interior house doors too. | ||
| Richard Bowyer (Drivingmisslazy)
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Well constructed sliding doors should not stick. I had two in my coach and used it for 15 years without a single problem. They are sure a space saver in my opinion. Richard | ||
| John MC9 Rating: N/A |
"I want to get the bathtub in before the walls are finished. " The RV manufacturers always seemed to build around things, making it nearly impossible to make repairs without tearing the entire rig apart... You sure you want to do that? | ||
| Stephen Fessenden (Sffess)
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Earlier airstreams used tambour doors (roll ups) for light weight and to save space. Any one can make them. You just glue slats of wood to cavas. | ||
| john w. roan (Chessie4905)
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Get a bunch of large pieces of cardboard from a car dealer or appliance dealer and totally mock up with utility knife, tape measure and masking tape to hold pieces together. Won't take nearly as much time as you think and will be a world of help visually before you commit and will cost next to nothing.Nice that you have a girlfriend that is interested and probably happy to help with the mockup.You could even leave the cardboard mockups permanent, although some campgrounds have rules against cardboard. | ||
| John MC9 Rating: N/A |
A girlfriend manipulating a third party mockup? (why does this turn me on?) Yeah, the blue tape and the carboard works well. Also, check under the floor, to insure your plans fall within the bays and not outside them. It's easy to forget where the plumbing has to run, and where the bus carp is.... |