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truthhunter@shaw.ca
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 9:45 am: | |
I was trying to recall the un-edited version of that classic 1950ish flick/documetary/phantasy "The Day The Earth Stood Still" and after the Science Emissary did his EMP thingy in the Earth Magnetosphere, why did all those buses on Capital Hill also stop operating? My only guess is that that the ElectroMagnetic Pulse must have had a residual jamming effect on those Jimmies powered buses (they did have DD2STROKES back then in busses didn't they) electric fuel cut off solenoid and the transit mechanics couldn't use the adjustment screw to override the lockout as they were all driving gas service trucks that had fried ignitions and could not deliver thier service to these dead machines!
Any other theoretical guesses out there- let's put our Alcan caps on (shiny side in for this theoretical problem)and give this dilemma some imagination if we gots nothins better to dosz`
And no "it was just movie magic" is not the kind of answer we seek! |
John MC9
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 12:15 pm: | |
Man.... You just gotta' get out more...
Sunlight....Yeah, sunlight. That might help... |
Ed Jewett (Kristinsgrandpa)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 12:17 pm: | |
The guy that wrote the script didn't know anything about busses or Detroit Diesels.
Ed |
t gojenola
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 1:44 pm: | |
I don't know the answer, but I have forwarded your question to the mother ship.
tg |
truthhunter@shaw.ca
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 1:57 pm: | |
So then none of you fellow bus enthusiast would be interested in seeing the remake even if it would only cost a nickle; did you ask your antique buses, maybe they would like to adition for a two bit part as extras? Trying to makesure the dude rewriting the new script gets it righter;, could you imagine if such details were left out of such great scripts as the constitution of usa or the charter of rights & freedoms in up north, no one would have taken them serious, just like the B movie mentioned above!
Yes your right MCNINE, there is plenty of things I ain't getting enough of (they say after 7 years you turn back into a virgin,yuck) how observant, I new you cared about all of us. |
Stan
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 2:40 pm: | |
The answer is obvious. The magnetic pulse destroyed the DDEC. |
Jim- Bob
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 3:05 pm: | |
The busses of that era used a skinner valve to control the rack position like buses up to about 1985. (non DDEC) A magnetic pulse would stop the bus if it were idling but not if it were running above idle.
If it were just a momentary pulse, and the bus shut off while idling, it should have nicely restarted as soon as the pulse subsided.
But if the interference were sustained, the bus would not restart but would run if at speed until such time as it idled or the battery went dead. |
truthhunter@shaw.ca
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 3:15 pm: | |
Uhm that kind of DDEC computing capacity back in the 1950s (univac X 100)would have filled more than one bus, maybe a train, with no room for the driver, and was to my the best of my historical observations, was not OEM in buses or trucks. The remake is set in the 60's (Cuban Missile Crisis era) so no DDEC Jimies in this story line either. Also in the original flick the trick of making the Earth "Stand Still" (to get the movers and shakers to rethink there chronic self centeredness, yah just make this authors point believable here, uh hu, just as easy as parting the reed sea) required just one hour of stoppage, not perma baked technologies. But good try my friend. Such a script scene had me thinking something EMP like that would disrupt the magnetic/electron flow to at a tunealbe/ controllable level, but the trick in the orginal movie is that not one life form should be stopped during the demonstaration, and this negates a total stoppage of electron movement or "atomic vibration" as it is commonly understood in modern era physics. (such conditions could be found at absolute zero temperature or conditions near critical ultra high densities states as is found in brown dwarf star environments and better, all states at which life is not sustainable in any form,let alone what is found on this planet in during the 1960s). I had also though about cheaping out on logic with a residual magnetic charge post EMP like, but that would only prevent a solenoid from changing position and this would leave those diesel trucks and buses in the same state at the onset of the event (those running would still be running but maybe not able to negotiate traffic as the gas jobs would be kaput).
Might have to pull out the roll of unubtainium foil and construct some serious thinking caps for this "theroretical" problem as the cheap alminum Alcan Cap just ani;t help with the though process. You can be sure Stan gets a invite to the priemier if I have anything to say about it. |
wec4104
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 6:56 pm: | |
Actually what happened was the Electro-Magnetic Pulse performed a minute welding process on all small openings. Unable to leak, the Detroit Diesels suffered an emotional breakdown. |
truthhunter@shaw.ca
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 8:37 pm: | |
and so- just what illogical force made those Jimmies fuel solenoids unweld themselves at the end of the 60 minuet techno-embargo??? (remember the show, everything went back to working as before!Common fellows bus enthusiast, is there not one theoretical physicist amongst us.Steven Hawkins- it is your chance to prove your not a hoax! we be about as free with the plot lines as the last cast of writers for the Itchy & Scratchy cartoons. You'll have to try again for a invite to the premier night, only one consolation ticket in this outfit and Stan was the early bird on that one, for courage. |
Luke Bonagura (Lukeatuscoach)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 8:47 pm: | |
Hi Folks:
There are many folks that live part of their lives by numbers!!!! (And I do Not)
How many folks realize that 1am & 2 minutes and 3 seconds at today's date, the numbers read:
010203040506
Does not occur very often, but did today.
So much for trivia!!!
Happy & SAFE!! Bussin' to ALl.
LUKE at US COACH |
truthhunter@shaw.ca
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 8:58 pm: | |
Kind of like guessing the lotto numbers, only predictable versus random, less like configuring the location of the next lighting discharge plasma initiation point. The imagiantion is best suited for complex porplem recongnition!Your may be on track there LaUSC |
Dallas Farnworth (Dal300)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 9:10 pm: | |
It should happen again in about a hundred years.
The last time it happened was about a hundred years ago.
But then again, on september 9th,1999 when my ex wife was working at a convience store, all the cash registers shut down at O9:09
The time and date got together and shut down the computers in the network that controlled the system.
The code that was given was 09090999. |
truthhunter@shaw.ca
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 10:05 pm: | |
Ah algorithms are so logical and repeatable with the correct formula. Now why was it so easy to get hit by lighting the second time and yet not one lotto jackpot. I have had many more lotto tickets than thunder storms? At least we can feel we know the truth behind Steven Hawkins today. |
Ken Wildman
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 8:46 am: | |
"If anything happens to me, you must go to Gort. You must say these words 'Klatuu Barado Nikto'"
<grin> One of the best SF movies ever.
Ken |
truthhunter@shaw.ca
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 9:02 am: | |
Yes, If only we could each have a Gort to stand watch over our conversions when were to tried to put the tools up at night, maybe even pitch in on the welding! Would never have worries about a civil code infraction again with that kind of "cop" to consult for legal advice towering over us! If only. Well guess well have to build our own, just like the Coach Conversions??? Wounder if they come in female versions too??????? |
Marc Bourget
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 9:43 am: | |
The Day the Earth Stood Still |
David Hartley (Drdave)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 12:48 pm: | |
EMP....
That's why they are looking at diesel engines for airplanes.
That's why I have a hand cranked manual injection engine for my offline backup generator.
The funny thing is chemical batteries will still work through an EMP, Things that are not plugged in at the time will probably still work if you can get power to them.
Air started diesel engines with mechanical injection will run also providing you isolate the skinner valve from the shutdown cylinder.
I drove an RTS 20 miles with no electrical power and no batteries by using an air start and bungee cord. had to manually start and shutdown but thats easy if you know where to look...
Dave... |
truthhunter@shaw.ca
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 1:13 pm: | |
So that is what happened to the rest of that bungee cord, they pushed me off the side of the grand canyon yelling, "don't worry we just tested it before lunch, we have done this jump a thousand times old man, you be splat"
Well at least me and Dr.D will be prepared to "clean up" on giving joy rides in our mobile homes after the next great big Solar Storm, as long as no-one filches our fuel stashes and the roads have been cleaned off.
(pst- think ultra light wieght MUI diesel wankels (they are only EDI, so far I hear say, but anything can be modified for a $$$) or expensive MUI gas turbines for your next/first highly compactable helio DrD, with such means one can both scout our paths paths for a clear tour road as well as sell novelty copter' sight seeing tours. I speculate that under such a entertainment starved scenario we wouldn't have to concern our selves with FAA or DOT regulators much, just offer them a free inspection ride to prove it is a safe service to vend. |
Lee Bradley
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 1:13 pm: | |
Germany used diesel powered bombers during WWII. Drove a KW with a 262 Cummings for years with the fuel shutoff by-passed; just pulled the compression release to shut it down. |
t gojenola
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 4:12 pm: | |
It was, after all, only a movie - and a primitive one at that:
Continuity: The man from Mars is in an elevator with a woman when the power goes out. He tells her he cut the electricity and gas powered engines all over the world for a half an hour. They proceed to show clips of the power out in different parts of the world. When they get to Big Ben in London, you can see a motorboat cruising down the river in the background.
Visible crew/equipment: When Gort picks up Patricia Neal next to the flying saucer, you can see cables leading down to her body to keep her hoisted.
Continuity: As the spaceships runway platform emerges from the ship, there are hardly any trees behind the spacecraft; only a few behind the left side. In the next wideshot, there are plenty of trees behind the ship.
Continuity: Klaatu introduces himself to the Professor for the first time by relaying some details of his stay at the hospital to verify who he is. Klaatu tells the Professor he was staying in room 309, but the early scenes at the hospital show him in room 306.
Plot hole: The military's security is ridiculously inadequate. After Gort subdues the only two GIs guarding him and the spaceship, the military encases Gort in solid material, but later still only two GIs guard him and the spaceship when Patricia Neal arrives. With a development of this magnitude the US military would probably seal off the city.
Revealing: When Gort begins to walk down the saucer ramp, after Klaatu is shot, the crowd gets scared and runs away. I guess the director found the extras running too slow so he speeded up the film.
Continuity: In some shots, Gort the robot has air vents under the chin. In others there are no vents.
Continuity: The taxi Helen gets into changes in one shot as it drives down the highway, evident by the writing on the side, then back again when it parks outside her house.
Revealing: After all of the elecrticity is neutralised, in a street shot you can see neon signs are still working; a huge Coca Cola one, for example.
Continuity: As Drew Pearson is doing his news broadcast, the desk next to the microphone is clear. In the next frontal shot, two pencils have appeared next to the left of the microphone.
tg |
truthhunter@shaw.ca
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 5:36 pm: | |
As I was saying , how is anyone going to remember anything of the authors logic if there are mountains of illogical in the message, it was maybe a A- on the make believe ratings though, which is not bad for it's day and production budget and lack of technical ad visors (with the exception of the Acrylic Polymer if you ignore the fact he had laser eyes and they new that before hand) Well Past the Time for a remake of that classic. They did get it right on the Acrylic that the cyber-cop was encased in from what I remember. |
Ken Wildman
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 07, 2006 - 7:41 pm: | |
And I thought I was over the top just quoting the message for Gort. <grin>
Ken |
truthhunter@shaw.ca
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 07, 2006 - 7:47 pm: | |
Just a little off topic still- were negotiating with Bender Kissmyshinymetal Ass to star as the "cyborg robo pig" in the remake |