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Steve (Steve)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 24, 2006 - 6:33 am: | |
www.hytechsales.com Has anyone ever used this product,Ceramic Powder Mix in paint?? |
David Hartley (Drdave)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 24, 2006 - 7:27 am: | |
Worked for me.
I mixed mine with 5 gallons of Kool Seal and it made a considerable difference. Roof is cooler and much quieter too.
When I paint my side panels I am going to mix it with white enamel as a primer coat. |
Marc Bourget
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 24, 2006 - 10:00 am: | |
If anybody using koolseal or koolseal/ceramic beads has the opportunity to do side by side MEASUREMENTS of the interior of a roof so treated, in the sun, both sections with unobstructed exposure, same angle, etc. to the sun, I'd sure like some Infrared thermometer readings. (both inside and out) |
Marc Bourget
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 24, 2006 - 10:01 am: | |
Ooops, by inside, I mean bare metal, not after spray or other insulation. |
John Jewett (Jayjay)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 24, 2006 - 9:11 pm: | |
Marc...we got a 3.7 to 4.5 deg. F. drop in surface temperature on the underside and a bit less on the outside. Two different buses, two different times of the year, two different locations.(Las Vegas.NV/Ft. Myers,FL) This translated into about a 7 to 10 deg. F. interior air temp difference. Secondary surface temperatures, i.e. floors/tables underneath the two areas averaged 4 to 9 deg.F cooler under the Astec brand ceramic coat. These fluctuations seemed to be affected by surface color. I can only speak authoritatively for the Astec label, since I have not used the Kool Seal labeled product.
Measurement equipment was my LaCrosse Technologies 'Infrascan',(guaranteed +/- 0.5 deg) and a professional, calibrated unit normally used in the refrigeration industry.(guaranteed +/- 0.1 deg.) Reading difference were insignificant. DANGER-from personal experience: use a good tight fitting breathing mask, since the beads will become airborne while pouring/stirring, and will settle permanently in your lungs. Several workers were hospitalized with bleeding lungs when I was in 'Vegas. No they weren't working on a bus, but commercial building roofs. Is it worth the money? Yes, and it is slightly quieter in the rain too. Use a roller, two cross-coats minimum. Astec brand doesn't 'bleed', and stays white, which the kool Seal doesn't. Cheers...JJ |
gg04
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 9:20 am: | |
Just be aware that none of these products have ever been tested or endorsed by NASA..just acknowledged that they are using some NASA developed technology as a spinoff...gg |
Chuck Newman (Chuck_newman)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 10:07 pm: | |
JJ,
The Astec site is interesting, but they have numerous products (Astec 100, 100IG, 900 ceramic coatings) as well as the 2000 series base coat and finish coat product.
Which one did you use? Which one would you recommend on a bus roof?
Also, they mention only selling to painting contractors. Do you know where I can get a sample to apply and evaluate?
Thanks. |
Steve (Steve)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 9:09 am: | |
There is a company called Mascoat www.mascoat.com
you can call. They sell a product called Lizzard Skin. They can advise you on the correct product and how to apply it. I am sure this is what i'm going to use to paint my new aluminum skin and roof and bays with. |
Gary Stadler (Boogiethecat)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 4:10 pm: | |
JJ, what kind of paint did you mix the beads with, and does it matter? |
Donald Lee Schwanke (Dontx)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 7:54 pm: | |
I used a pre mixed ceramic bead coating, it did wonderful things for me. I have heard that mixing it yourself may create problems in getting the product evenly distributed in the coating though. |
FAST FRED
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 5:48 am: | |
I used a bead mix and was sadly disapointed. Perhaps 2 coats of paint will add up to .050 in thickness , so at R7 per inch there isnt much thickness.
The hassle was the surface resembled 200 sandpaper, so was a dirt magnet.
ANY claim of better insulation was banished by the roof getting dirty , at every rain shower.
IF you cruise the metal building sites and look for Energy Star or LEEDS compliant , you will find sources of paint (that isnt just white) with high energy reflectivity.
It is made by Reputable Mfg , and not a hype product.
Now I use Rustoleum WHITE!. scrubs clean ever year (instead of every month with sandpaper ceramic).
With an Enamel roller it passes the 5 ft test.
FAST FRED |
Steve (Steve)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 8:15 am: | |
I think Fred is right, The ceramic coat will be a little rougher surface. Ceramic coating should be custom mixed for your application and the right spray equipment used like an airless with out the filters and new seals at 3000psi with a 19 spray tip and at .060" thick dry coat it is good up to 550 degrees. It lays fairly flat with a surface like 1200 grit. Then clear urathane topcoats. The surface is a clean high gloss white looks great and lasts. If the ceramics are not mixed right and sprayed right with the right equipment in a spray paint booth you can end up with a mess. So custom mix from the manfacturer like Lizzard Skin at www.lizardskin.com will help you get the right stuff and directions for your project. |
Donald Lee Schwanke (Dontx)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 11:21 pm: | |
Mine never got dirty, and I did not clear coat it. Others I done I used the water based clear polyurethane, gives a gloss slick finish, and kinda cute, it actually sparkles since there is a slightly pebble finish. |
Chuck Newman (Chuck_newman)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 8:37 am: | |
Don,
What brand and type number did you use?
Where did you get it from? (name, location).
Thanks a lot. |
Donald Lee Schwanke (Dontx)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 9:30 am: | |
I would have to do some research, It was made in an Amarillo TX factory, called "Petro Coat" I think. The company later got its distribution thru a company in Dallas, called Central or Superior Coatings as I recall. |
Donald Lee Schwanke (Dontx)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 9:39 am: | |
I didn't find the company I used, but here is an excellent link to the product: http://ceramicadditive.com/testimonial.html |