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David (Davidinwilmnc)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 09, 2006 - 8:24 am: | |
Hey guys,
I'm at the point where I need to do remove wheels to do some work on the air system on my MC-8. I've finally replaced my old, underpowered air compressor. Now, I'm looking for an inexpensive impact wrench that's capable of removing the lug nuts. I came across this one and am curious if anybody has any experience with it:
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200307151_200307151
I know Ingersoll-Rand makes great air tools, but the larger ones are a bit pricey for me. Of course, the $99 Harbor Freight 1" model is a possiblilty, but at about 29lbs, it's a bit much to handle. If anybody's got any other suggestions, I'd love to hear them.
David |
Dallas Farnworth (Dal300)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 09, 2006 - 8:33 am: | |
Wow,
If those are accurate specs, that's very impressive!
I have a IR 2135 PTI that puts out 700ft lbs of torque and has no problems with any bus or truck wheels I have come into contact with.
I got it on eBay for $65 plus $18 shipping it weighs 3.59 pounds and is one of the most comfortable impacts I've ever used.
Dallas |
Frank Allen (Frank66)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 09, 2006 - 8:42 am: | |
I went the cheap rout buying for price but none were satisfactory, i found three impact tools on ebay a 1/2 a 3/4 and a 1 inch, incasol rand got all three for less than 100.00 all were in good codition, i however found i couldnt run the big 1 inch cause i dont have enough air, need 175 lbs to operate it , however the 3/4 does a fine job. Id look on ebay and try to find a good tool , those lugs can really be on there, they get rusted and sometimes can be a real job. (my opinion for what it is worth)
Frank Allen
4106 |
Bob Wies (Ncbob)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 09, 2006 - 10:15 am: | |
This might be considered a bit off topic but this will be the best chance I have to ask it.
What's the general opinion about using a tiny bit of (notice I didn't say "slather them with it")
Anti-Seize compound on the lugs and nuts on a bus?
When you stop and think about it..DD requires it on critical fasteners like head bolts, etc. which could be catastrophic if they loosened...but rotating wheels are a bit different. I've used A/S on the wheel studs on my pickup trucks and small trailers for years, and then used a torque wrench to tighten to the proper specs, without any problems.
Discussion anyone?
NCbob |
Arnold J Molloy (Ayjay)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 09, 2006 - 10:43 am: | |
Bob;
Is that "proper specs" lubricated or unlubricated??
Most specs are given for "DRY" conditions. If lubed it's quite easy to over-torque and stretch the lugs.
Like my daddy used to tell me "Tighten it til just before it breaks" NO MORE.
AyJay
79 RTS |
Jack Gregg (Jackinkc)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 09, 2006 - 11:41 am: | |
I shopped for an impact wrench recently and ended up with an ingersal rand from harbor freight. I found that the cheaper models used so much air (CFM) that they were not practical for my compressor or the bus air. The model you found at northern industrial looks like a good pick for occasional use on lug nuts at a great price. Buy it.
Jack |
motorcoach1
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 09, 2006 - 1:39 pm: | |
The 3/4 Ingersoll Rand is a good, choose the model with the air adjustment is better ...lugs off increase air pressure and putting them on lower the air so as not to over torque the studs ..if this happens the next time you go to remove the lug nuts you may accidentally start removing the stud and spin the lugnut and stud in the wheel rim so check those stud torques first |
Paul Tillmann (Paultillmann)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 09, 2006 - 4:13 pm: | |
A few years ago I bit the bullet and bought one of these:
www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/NTELargeImageView?rfno=200305481&storeId=69 70
Pricey, yes, but I'll have it for the rest of my life and it only weighs 16 pounds.
Paul |
David (Davidinwilmnc)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 09, 2006 - 4:41 pm: | |
Along with the tool, I'll need the correct Budd socket. I see several sizes... What's the correct size for a '78 MC-8? At this point, I'm leaning towards buying the Northern Tools impact wrench in my initial post. I don't see to many on ebay at the moment. Thanks for the info so far. |
Stan
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 09, 2006 - 8:12 pm: | |
A Budd wheel socket is 1 1/2" hex with the 13/16" square socket set deeper in the socket. If you have aluminum wheels get the special Budd wheel socket for aluminum wheels. |
mel 4104
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 09, 2006 - 9:41 pm: | |
i have asked the question of wet [ anti- seize ] or dry of all the bus shop tire foreman that i meet and they all say DRY very loud and very clear. when asked why that say that it is way to easy to over torque them down. in our area the transit line has now gone high teck and have a impact gun that they can set very accurate + or - 2 pounds but the if rumour is right it should be good at a price of $ 8,000. and no i did not order one. but there again all nuts are put on dry. |
Tom Caffrey (Pvcces)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 12:17 am: | |
One of the reasons for the dry assemblies is that the lube they need is in the steel. I believe that lead is the main alloy for this purpose.
FWIW
Tom Caffrey PD4106-2576
Suncatcher
Ketchikan, Alaska |
Muddog16 (Muddog16)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 6:39 am: | |
This is what the impact that just came last friday looks like, I started to get the one for 99 bucks but changed my mind. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/photos/92400-92499/92427.gif |
Paul Tillmann (Paultillmann)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 10:56 am: | |
Dave, the impact referenced in your original post is only a 1/2" drive. Are you sure this is what you want? A friend of mine owns an auto repair shop, but occaisionally works on medium duty trucks and motorhomes. He has asked me several times now to borrow my 1" drive because his 3/4" wouldn't loosen the lugs on a medium duty never mind a heavy duty. |
David (Davidinwilmnc)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 11:37 am: | |
Paul, I'm not sure how to answer your question. I've seen torque ratings from around 250ft-lbs up to around 800ft-lbs for the 1/2" drives and 3/4" as low as 350ft-lbs. I guess what I'm trying to say is that it seems like there are strong 1/2" and weak 3/4" impact wrenches. I know that there are a few that mention 1/2" IR's that work fine on lug nuts. I was looking at the cfm of the 3/4" and 1" impact wrenches too. My home compressor will handle a 1", but I know my portable compressor in the bus won't. I think I'm going to be the Guinea pig for this and try that $135 one. If it won't remove the lug nuts, I'll send it back and warn others not to waste their time! |
Dave Wilson
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 11:08 pm: | |
What i found to be vary handy,a little on the exspensive side but well worth the price and you can pack it with the coach makita mod 6910 electric impact will handle anything, and you can run it off your generator or plug into any wall socket |
David Hartley (Drdave)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 7:54 pm: | |
Build a Pony tank...
Then "any" compressor will run a 1" impact.
I use a 9 gallon portable tank with a large capacity air hose between the tank and impact wrench. Change the fittings on the tank so that you can charge it with your itsy-bitsy compressor, bus compressor or even hand pump (kidding!)
With the little tank pumped up to 120 psi and 9 gallons of volume available all you need is a large enough hose to get that volume from the hose to the impact tool.
I have used this rig for years and found that with my 1" IGR monster I can break loose and just about get 3 lugs off before I have to wait for the tank to refill. The trick is to feed a lot of air for a short time to break stuff loose enough to finish by hand.
No need to re-invent the wheel here, just applying a little ingenuity with stuff on hand.
Enjoy... |