| Author | Message | ||
| Ian Giffin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 866 Registered: 7-1997 Posted From: 64.231.203.190 Rating: |
Well, I never wanted to do this, and it will only be a temporary measure I hope, but due to the amount of spam the bbs has been getting - and I'm sure you've all seen it for most of the day while I was cleaning it up - I have decided to put "Unregistered Guest" messages in an approval queue. This simply means that the spam, and all legitimate messages from those who have not "Registered" themselves with a profile, will now need to be approved to make it through to the bbs. Now, I have no intention, nor the time, to monitor what the legitimate messages are before I release them to the bbs, so please don't think this is limiting what you say. I only need a second to determine if it's a legitimate message or not and the only thing it will do to a ligitimate message is slow it down from appearing. The up side is that there will be no more spam hitting the boards and, more importantly, that spam will no longer be automatically emailed to over a thousand subscribers each time a message appears on the board. I'll try this for a little while. If it makes the messages appear too fragmented, I'll lift the queue, but I think we'll be fine. I'll visit the bbs several times a day to let messages through and, as I said, I'm disinterested in stopping legitimate messages - only the spam. Again, this is only for "Unregistered Guest" messages. If you have a profile on this web site, your messages will shoot straight through, unaffected by the queue. So, in other words, if you have been thinking of getting a profile, now would be a good time, just to save some hassle, and lend to the continuity of the bbs. Thank you all again, and always, for your continued cooperation, support and patience. Best regards, Ian www.busnut.com | ||
| Bill Gerrie (Bill_gerrie)
Registered Member Username: Bill_gerrie Post Number: 27 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 209.50.74.6 Rating: N/A |
Thanks Ian for standing up against spamers. We are all sick and tired of them. Good luck on your war against them. Bill | ||
| Connel (Connel)
Registered Member Username: Connel Post Number: 16 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 67.67.14.216 Rating: N/A |
Hang in there I@n, We appreciate all your hard work!! Connel | ||
| Steve N. (N4rsn)
Registered Member Username: N4rsn Post Number: 90 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 70.253.166.118 Rating: N/A |
Keep up the good work I@n. I enjoy this board more than any. Steve | ||
| Gary Stadler (Boogiethecat)
Registered Member Username: Boogiethecat Post Number: 1204 Registered: 4-2002 Posted From: 72.192.189.52 Rating: N/A |
I welcome this but not for spammers so much as for "real" unregistered guests. If you look back, the know-it-alls and people responsible for most of the arguements, stupid comments, and downright nastiness that has occured on this board in the last few months have been almost 100% the "men in black", ie unregistered guests. As you may have noticed I have not been posting here lately. I got sick of the two or three unregistered guests who answer almost every thread, apparently know everything, and argue with people who really do know. I'm not the only "missing person" lately as you may have also noticed...I'm not the only one with this attitude, as I've been receiving personal emails from a number of old timers who feel the same way. Ian, I hope that this move is permanent, I hope you actually REQUIRE registration in order to post, and in doing so I hope that some (or all) of those guys who don't want to reveal their email address to the rest of us will just go away. Only then does this board have a chance of getting back to the great board it once was... ...and this still may be my last post here... I'll watch and see... till then you can find me on Mak where 100% registration IS required, and because of that its a very nice place to hang out lately... | ||
| Jack Conrad (Jackconrad)
Registered Member Username: Jackconrad Post Number: 455 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 207.30.189.45 Rating: N/A |
I@N, now that I am retired, I iusually check the BB several times a day. If you need help approving/disapproving the unregistered post, I will be glad to help. I noticed that requiring 100% registration to post has made a big difference on the MAK board. I vote for mandatory registration to post. That would also save you a lot of time. Jack | ||
| John MC9 Unregistered guest Posted From: 66.217.105.112 Rating: N/A |
hoo boy. Wait'll MAK hears this.. | ||
| Ian Giffin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 869 Registered: 7-1997 Posted From: 64.231.203.190 Rating: N/A |
Hi Gary, BNO has always been inclusive, not exclusive. That's why BNO was born many years ago, remember? Please come back when you need to be entertained, not coddled. And, excuse me, Gary, but this IS a great board. Thanks for your comments, which, by the way, will remain on this board, not moderated off because they either agree or disagree with others. Ian www.busnut.com | ||
| Steven D. Braud (Steve77amg)
Registered Member Username: Steve77amg Post Number: 29 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 63.232.248.228 Rating: N/A |
I agree with you Ian. This is a great board! It only takes a second to ignore the post you don't like. If I would have had to register at my first post I might not have registered at all. After lurking for a while and making a few posts I decided to join this community of bus nuts. I appreciate Ian and everyone else that post messages here. So keep up the good work Ian and the rest of you don't let a little b.s. keep you from sharing your thoughts and adventures in this wonderfull hobby. IMHO Steve(77amg) | ||
| john w. roan (Chessie4905)
Registered Member Username: Chessie4905 Post Number: 287 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.162.3.30 Rating: N/A |
Thank's Ian! It has irritated me over the last couple of years that the big squabbles mostly seem to be between the unregistered posters.I'm also amazed how many " engineers " we have pos ting on the board. Thanks for all the time and expense you commit to this board for all of us to use and enjoy. Hope to meet you someday, and all the others I've chatted with or read their posts. | ||
| John MC 9 Unregistered guest Posted From: 66.217.106.98 Rating: N/A |
The "men in black"? HAR de HAR HAR Registering doesn't change one iota regarding what gets posted to any forum. In all the years I'd lurked, I've read posts from what appeared to be people with professional knowledge and ability, giving out some absolutely wrong information. Likewise, some posters that appeared to have little (if any) true experience with any type of conversions or construction, offered great hints and advice. We all read and take from our reading, a certain amount of knowledge... It may be in the form of "the best way to do it", or "the worst way to do it". If an individual is reading at this forum, I would feel very safe to assume that he or she has the intelligence to make decisions for his or her self. To every claim, there can be a counter claim. It's not all that difficult to decipher the good advice from the bad. And all too often Gary.... the truly good advice comes from the debates that follow the original, or counter-claim. No-one should feel inferior here; Everyone has something to offer. Everyone! | ||
| Jack Conrad (Jackconrad)
Registered Member Username: Jackconrad Post Number: 456 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 207.30.189.83 Rating: N/A |
"Registering doesn't change one iota regarding what gets posted to any forum." Actually it does. Do you think the spammers will be approved to post? Anyone else can register whether they own a bus or not, newbie, wannabe, KIA, a$$, or whatever. There will still be discussions and debates. What is wrong with registering before being allowed to post? Unless you plan to say something you are ashamed to let anyone know you said that. Jack | ||
| Cliff (Floridacracker)
Registered Member Username: Floridacracker Post Number: 287 Registered: 7-2004 Posted From: 65.33.17.106 Rating: N/A |
I agree with Gary and Jack on registering. (Even though Ian wasn't asking for opinions) And Ian you know its not about wanting to be coddled.  BNO and MAK have both always been good boards, but BNO was always far and beyond the MAK board. But that all changed recently. I think the changes they made at MAK have really evened up the boards and I think MAKs success has been partially due to the registering requirement, among other things. It seems to keep the primary troublemakers and PIA's in check. And lets face it, when your a Newbee, all these experts can be a little intimidating. At least until youv'e sorted THEM out. I have also noticed this to be true on other boards that require registering as compared to those that dont. Of course those in the Witness Protection Program can still use JohnMC9 as a generic handle. Just MY opinion, Free and Registered Cliff | ||
| Richard Bowyer (Drivingmisslazy)
Registered Member Username: Drivingmisslazy Post Number: 1639 Registered: 1-2001 Posted From: 66.168.162.246 Rating: N/A |
But you really do not have to register on either board to just read the posts. The lurkers can read for a period of time and then register if they want to post. Go for it I@N. Maybe we can even keep FF off.LOL Richard | ||
| H3-40 Unregistered guest Posted From: 70.222.86.135 Rating: N/A |
Gary does this mean I need to start wearing black? It's gonna get awful hot down here wearing black! I love it when someone stereotypes me but the bottom line is... I know me! Ace | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 66.217.105.74 Rating: N/A |
Ace - Register. It's easy. I@n sent me $50 to do it. I was going to hold out for more, but.... I really needed the 50 bucks -now- (I hate to take time payments). Go peek at my "profile" and grab a hint. | ||
| H3-40 (Ace)
Registered Member Username: Ace Post Number: 270 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 70.197.132.208 Rating: N/A |
I have been registered for years! I don't know exactly why it doesn't show it. I think maybe I was using an alias! LOL Ace | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 2 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 66.217.105.74 Rating: N/A |
Jack - It can deter the spammers, but they can post to a forum without having to manually fill out the form at the web site... I won't detail it... The easiest way to keep the spam out, is to ban the IP address of the spammer. When I said that registration won't change a thing, I was referring to what others are saying, regarding actual contributes (not spam). The point is, Jack.. If a person wishes to remain somewhat anonymous to the entire world, yet be known to his somewhat private group only by his nickname, having to register isn't going to change a thing. There are a few here that know me personally. Yeah, I do exist. But whatever we post to the web, goes around the world... and lives in archives -forever-. Not just these archives, but Google, newsgroups, and more. To stop the spam, only an IP blocker will do. To stop individuals from posting, requires total rejection from the entire membership, registered or not. And even then... Most board operators have found it's easier to welcome all, than attempt to reject one or three PIA's. And that I suppose, is why I'm still here! | ||
| H3-40 (Ace)
Registered Member Username: Ace Post Number: 272 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 70.197.132.208 Rating: N/A |
Well that makes 3 PIA's I know of! Ace | ||
| Ed Jewett (Kristinsgrandpa)
Registered Member Username: Kristinsgrandpa Post Number: 254 Registered: 2-2003 Posted From: 64.24.212.117 Rating: N/A |
Ian, I agree with Gary, you should have to show your face if you are going to show your ass. Ed | ||
| JW Smythe (Jwsmythe)
Registered Member Username: Jwsmythe Post Number: 249 Registered: 2-2006 Posted From: 71.98.174.112 Rating: N/A |
John, Blocking IP's is a very good method. Unfortunately, it's kind of a pain in the butt. I was talking to a friend of mine, who is also a web developer. On one site in particular, she was getting hammered with ads for porn and drugs. She would block one IP, and another would post. On my news site, it became a *REAL* problem. I'd say about 95% of the comments to the news stories were spam. People weren't even looking at the comments, because the spam got so bad. I wrote a program to automatically read through the comments, look for particular things, and if it found those particular things, it would blacklist the IP from accessing any part of the site. That list is now 9,437 IP's. I cleared that list about 6 months ago, and it's right back to where it started, and almost identical. Spammers use either their own machines on diverse networks, or more popularly open proxy servers around the world. I'm in the process of rewriting my site, not due to the spammers, but because the package that I'm using doesn't satisfy me. I wanted all the functionality of the package, but in the end only a few features are used, and I could rewrite them better in a weeks worth of spare time. Now that I'm doing the rewrite, I'm requiring my users to be logged in to comment or submit news to us. It's unfortunate, because I really loved the open feel that the world was our community. Thanks to these asses, they're forcing us to take measures against them. The unfortunate part of a site getting bigger is that it does draw more attention, both from the people it services (us bus nuts), and the people who want to take advantage of anything they can. I'm sure I@n has already weighed the options. He risks upsetting a few users, but there will be a ton more than will be happier because of his choice. I've been weighing the same options with my site, and unfortunately, I've come to the same decision. My other option was to use a CAPTCHA graphic, which isn't perfect, and I personally find terribly annoying. | ||
| dougtheboneifiedbusnut
Unregistered guest Posted From: 24.62.101.81 Rating: N/A |
I didn't realize anyone cared who I was so I never botherd to register. Than one day I decided to register. I thought I filled out all the info correctly but a message came back telling me that my password or username was to close to one that already existed. So instead of spending another 20 or so minutes trying to figure out what I did wrong I said to myself "bleep this" I'm going back to work on my baby. Don't know how spam works but I am sorry if I'm causing anyone a problem. Hope I'm not one of those "Men In Black", Gary cause I kinda miss some of the cool stuff you occasionally come up with. | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 5 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 66.217.107.73 Rating: N/A |
JW - Banning the IP block is the best way to go, for those IP blocks that are assigned to countries other than USA or Canada. AU, for instance, belongs to the Asia Pacific Network and is assigned the block: 58.0.0.0 to 58.255.255.255 Banning "58." in most all scripts that allow banning, will ban any IP address that -begins- with "58." Ready-made lists can be found using Google, using: IP BAN List China Korea I made my own, before I found the ready-made ones, and it's solved a ton of headaches for us. The problems with registering for legitimate users, outweighs the benefits of keeping out spam, since most of the heaviest spammers do not visit the form page that is normally used to post. When they do that, they bypass the simple solutions, like mandatory registration. They use a PC based script, that allows them to make the necessary CGI call to the board they wish to post to. They've managed to work around most of the script traps.. The IP block ban is the only thing that's worked continuously, so far. Meanwhile, people interested in reading and making an occasional contribution, but wishing to remain anonymous to the rest of the world (with the paranoia that should prevail), are turned off and away. And to tell you the truth, those people often have a lot to contribute. The Internet isn't a kid's playground. There's more sickos than you can shake your mouse at. Once they know who you are, finding where you live, is easy. Taking a long vacation in your bus? Who's gonna' visit while you're gone? I've read on the MAK board, about one guy known for his big, big bunch of neat toys, getting ready for a long ride with his entire family. Dates, time, and schedule included. I doubt he would take out a full page ad in his local paper, with the same information, but there he was, typing it to the billions of individuals that sit in front of monitors, all over the world.... Even the prisons have Internet access! There's nothing wrong with wishing to remain anonymous. In fact, keeping your privacy secure, is one of the first things you learn to be most important, when you begin your journey into the WWW. How complacent we've become, ehh? Wow. Is this gettin' heavy, or what? | ||
| JW Smythe (Jwsmythe)
Registered Member Username: Jwsmythe Post Number: 251 Registered: 2-2006 Posted From: 71.98.174.112 Rating: N/A |
John, Nope, not heavy, true. What you said about the sicko's is absolutely true. That's why if you ever look for "JW Smythe" in a phone book, you'll never find me. Well, my numbers are unlisted, but my name isn't really JW Smythe. I used to do it as a joke, but years ago when I was working in a call center at a startup internet hosting company, it really clued me in to what freaks we're dealing with. A few of the girls on staff actually had irate customers calling their houses, threatening them. Irate customers would show up to places we didn't expect, like houses and apartment buildings. On the legal side, some people would threaten to sue for millions in losses based on their lack of performance. You know, making $6.25/hr we really couldn't afford a million dollar lawsuit, or even to talk to a lawyer to try and protect ourselves. I also worked at a live video web site (go ahead, make the assumptions, you're right) and someone left a delivered pizza box in view of one of the cameras. One of the viewers got the address from the label on the side of the box, and started stalking around the house. He shared the address with some of his creapy friends. It made sleepless nights for me, not because I was scared, but because I was on call any time the staff got scared. There's something about a guy with a large caliber handgun that tends to turn most stalkers away. He was smart enough to stay away after I started showing up at random times. Sometimes you have to be careful blocking large /8's. 58.0.0.0/8 shows up in the top 20%. My most abusive /8's are 201, 200, 61, 211, 220, 68, and 24. Of course, it would vary by who's abusing the site, so my list can be a whole lot different than your list. | ||
| herman Unregistered guest Posted From: 69.181.162.81 Rating: N/A |
John, well, it's just the Daily Hate, eh? | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 7 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 66.217.106.148 Rating: N/A |
"Feel my pain" HAR | ||
| Ian Giffin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 870 Registered: 7-1997 Posted From: 216.183.13.161 Rating: N/A |
Since this thread was hijacked anyway, I think I'll hijack it back. Started out as me explaining the steps I have put into place to deter spam from landing on the bbs. Ended up a discussion as to why I should, or, gawd forbid, why I shouldn't, require message authors to register. And hijacked by registered users to boot!! Hmmm... Anyhoo, since this is now my thread again, I thought I'd change the subject once more... So... why do people always give you their "two cents" worth, but it costs only a "penny for your thoughts"? Where does the other penny go? Ian www.busnut.com | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 11 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 66.217.107.104 Rating: N/A |
Taxes. | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 12 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 66.217.107.104 Rating: N/A |
You forgot to mention Boss, that the thread was hijacked prior to -me- registering. I do hope the hiMackers... errrxxx hiJackers, are aware of that. I'm bored. Let's rumble. (no wait... that was my stomach) | ||
| Jim Shepherd (Rv_safetyman)
Registered Member Username: Rv_safetyman Post Number: 236 Registered: 1-2004 Posted From: 66.82.9.58 Rating: N/A |
First of all, I wanted to make sure I was still registered. Next, I want to go back to the hyjacked mode and vote for only allowing registered members to post. This has really helped a lot of boards (not just MAK) RANT mode on: Ian, what does it take to get out of the "new member" status? I see Jack Conrad has over 400 posts and I have over 200. Jack is a huge contributor to both this board and the "industry" as a whole. I use the word contributor and not responder. Lots of folks respond without "contributing" substantive information to the thread. Don't get me wrong, responding is fine (and some of the responses are fun to read). But there is a huge difference between the two. Another strong contributor is Gary Stadler (4 year registered member and over 1200 posts). I would guess that 90% of Gary's posts are "contributions". Your response about "coddling" was a slap to the face of a person who has made your board the great service that it is. RANT mode off. (Message edited by rv_safetyman on July 25, 2006) | ||
| Cliff (Floridacracker)
Registered Member Username: Floridacracker Post Number: 289 Registered: 7-2004 Posted From: 24.73.133.179 Rating: N/A |
So... why do people always give you their "two cents" worth, but it costs only a "penny for your thoughts"? Where does the other penny go? Now Ian thats an easy one. They obviously put a higher value on THERE opinion. Cliff | ||
| Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
Registered Member Username: Buswarrior Post Number: 840 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 70.55.230.68 Rating: N/A |
ummm.... what the blazes? Ian, you do whatever you want. And we'll participate, because we miserable types have no other place to voice our foolishness. Just ask the spouse, or former spouse... back to.. happy coaching! buswarrior | ||
| this is Bob Unregistered guest Posted From: 63.233.94.147 Rating: N/A |
WHERE................THEIR | ||
| JJ Woden Unregistered guest Posted From: 65.19.246.49 Rating: N/A |
I have been reading nearly every post for months and have been able to chew up the meat and spit out the bones. What topics or posters have been causing the problems? I have seen opinions up the yingyang but isnt that makes this group unique? I say change what you must, but not too drastic please. | ||
| R.C.Bishop (Chuckllb)
Registered Member Username: Chuckllb Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 4.240.213.130 Rating: N/A |
JJ....I agree with you...except, in my case, as well as others here, it has been years rather than months. Opinions are what make the world turn every day and one can either take or leave as one chooses. I usually choose to ignore the "irritants" and just evaluate what the substance is....having said that, on ocassion, I do respond, as do others in a positive way. We have lost a great number of folks over the recent months, for whatever reason. I for one, wish and hope they will reconsider and return. Much value they added to this board. One very unique feature of this board is that the participants make it pretty well self cleansing. Ian, you know what I ave had to say about this board many times and I appreciate all your effort to continue making it the best on the net. I, like others, can live with some changes and though I have been slow to "register", I respect your position and hope that the new format will be to everyone's benefit, including (beginning with ) yours. FWIW RCB '64 Crown Supercoach (HWC) | ||
| R.C.Bishop (Chuckllb)
Registered Member Username: Chuckllb Post Number: 2 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 4.240.213.130 Rating: N/A |
Ian...5 years ago I first posted on this great board...(+-) I note that the profile above indicates that I, along with many others as I read the posts, am "new" to this board...., whether intended or not, it leaves one a bit perplexed and maybe degraded  for their efforts at having helped (and what they have gained) as participants of this forum. I chose to remain unregistered, but have been a regular visitor and somewhat irregular poster ( depending on what I felt I could offer in the way of useful information). Sorry it has come to this, but it's your call. I will continue to read, if not participate. FWIW, RCB | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 16 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 66.217.107.204 Rating: N/A |
To help bring this thread back to some semblance of sanity... I@n stated in his first post: "Well, I never wanted to do this, and it will only be a temporary measure I hope, but due to the amount of spam the bbs has been getting - and I'm sure you've all seen it for most of the day while I was cleaning it up - I have decided to put "Unregistered Guest" messages in an approval queue. This simply means that the spam, and all legitimate messages from those who have not "Registered" themselves with a profile, will now need to be approved to make it through to the bbs. Now, I have no intention, nor the time, to monitor what the legitimate messages are before I release them to the bbs, so please don't think this is limiting what you say. I only need a second to determine if it's a legitimate message or not and the only thing it will do to a ligitimate message is slow it down from appearing. " His intent was to try to eliminate the spam that was permeating and nearly overwhelming his board. I have, for a number of years, lurked at this board (among others). I've been pleasantly surprised here, that first-time visitors were treated no differently than the "old timers". Everyone, it seemed, had something to contribute. It was left to the reader, to decide who had merit, and who did not. Lately however, there seems to be some dismay from "old timers", that any new contributor should not be contributing. Or, more simply, no-one should argue or question an "old timer". That type of mentality does not promote advance. There's plenty of new technology out there, that makes old thinking obsolete. I suggested that Jake brakes and Telmar equipment should not be regarded as primary stopping power.... I'm "old school". The fact is, both Jake brakes and Telmar braking, are considered to be as sufficient as drum or disc brakes for the slowing of a vehicle. (actual stopping power is still within the drum or disc brakes) No-one should be afraid to post their ideas to this forum.. Even the "experts" can be wrong; if you can point that out, do so. It was the openness of this forum that brought me here. If that's what brought you here, let I@n know. Let's keep this forum the best! | ||
| David Dulmage (Daved)
Registered Member Username: Daved Post Number: 125 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 142.46.199.30 Rating: N/A |
Well said, John. The openness brought me here as well. Dave D | ||
| Bob greenwood (Bob_greenwood)
Registered Member Username: Bob_greenwood Post Number: 6 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 65.142.253.222 Rating: N/A |
I agree also, lots of people here think you can solve a problem by throwing a little money at it, if you don't know how to go down a hill with heavy equipment,or double clutch a standard, the answer is NOT , MONEY, ya' need to LEARN how to desend a hill.& why.!!----rely on a switch that may or may not work,or not knowing why you don't use jakes on snow,KNOWLEDGE, is what keeps you alive, not money | ||
| johnwood
Unregistered guest Posted From: 71.142.133.188 Rating: N/A |
Ian; A heartfelt than-you for your seemingly endless good will and a wonderful forum to advance bussin' I have been a reader and poster off and on for about 4 years and I too appreciate that I don't have to go thru the registration process. I quit MAK'ing when I could no longer "pop" in occasionally. And I hope that FF comes home! I enjoy his dry humor and expertise. He was an excellent foil for the stuffed shirt types. Your fan; John (who always uses his email address and real name even tho the spam caught me too!) | ||
| Ian Giffin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 873 Registered: 7-1997 Posted From: 64.187.39.62 Rating: N/A |
Since I implemented the "queue" last Saturday Jul 22, I have been able capture and eliminate 382 spam messages that would have otherwise made it to the bbs and to the automatic email system. The queue may be a little more permanent than I originally thought, but once again to confirm, you still don't have to regisiter to use this bbs. If you are not registered, your messages will go into the queue which I monitor several times a day. I let legitimate messages through and delete the spam. Thanks for all your comments and messages of support. Ian www.busnut.com |
