| Author | Message | ||
| David E Wilson (North_exp)
Registered Member Username: North_exp Post Number: 10 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 205.234.33.61 Rating: N/A |
I am intending to remove paint with remouver and presure wash off what happens when remover comes into contact with lower ss on coach. | ||
| T. (Bluegrass)
Registered Member Username: Bluegrass Post Number: 203 Registered: 4-2002 Posted From: 72.160.143.226 Rating: N/A |
David the remover will not harm the ss but it will the aluminum above the ss, you must use aircraft stripper on the aluminum and dont let It come In contact with the light covers on your bus. | ||
| christopher l cole sr. (Muziklvr)
Registered Member Username: Muziklvr Post Number: 27 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 68.119.228.79 Rating: N/A |
what will happen if you use this on alluminum(a 4104)where can you get the aircraft stuff?and how much is it? | ||
| Bob greenwood (Bob_greenwood)
Registered Member Username: Bob_greenwood Post Number: 129 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 65.150.45.126 Rating: N/A |
the only reason you would need to strip it is if big chunks of paint are falling off.they don't do it on cars,you don't do it on your house,not inside or outside,you are asking for a nightmare,sand it with a D.A. & paint it,(40 years autobody experience ) | ||
| Gus Causbie (Gusc)
Registered Member Username: Gusc Post Number: 184 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 63.97.117.40 Rating: N/A |
Bob is right. Even on airplanes it gets between the Al panel joints and causes problems forever. I won't ever have another airplane stripped. I've been there. | ||
| David E Wilson (North_exp)
Registered Member Username: North_exp Post Number: 11 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 205.234.33.61 Rating: N/A |
I am listening the paint is in good shape actualy excellent no peeling,but that i should change the color so it looks more like a private machine yellowknife is a small town i wouldnt want people chasing me down to get on the bus . | ||
| Craig (Ceieio)
Registered Member Username: Ceieio Post Number: 257 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 206.212.230.165 Rating: N/A |
David - a DA sander and a BIG air compressor is the ticket. I need to think about a bigger air compressor as I want to think about painting my bus now that I have skinned the windows. Craig - MC7 Oregon | ||
| Bruce Henderson (Oonrahnjay)
Registered Member Username: Oonrahnjay Post Number: 119 Registered: 8-2004 Posted From: 69.143.43.3 Rating: N/A |
Gus wrote: "Bob is right. Even on airplanes it gets between the Al panel joints and causes problems forever. I won't ever have another airplane stripped. I've been there." __. That's interesting, and I'm sorry that you've had bad experiences but Central Carolina Bus stripped my bus with stripper and the subsequent repaint has been flawless. The paint that they used is standard NAPA paint, so that any repairs or repaints can be done with easily matching paint (so we can't put it down to fact that "exotic" paint has made a difference). __. So, it *must* be possible to do a good job that doesn't leave stripper in the joints, etc -- and my bus is ALL about exposed joints and pop rivits! | ||
| Bob greenwood (Bob_greenwood)
Registered Member Username: Bob_greenwood Post Number: 130 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 65.139.18.134 Rating: N/A |
before you start sanding, get a handfull of tide & put it in a 5 gallon bucket & a nice brush & give it a GOOD cleaning, harbor freight has a D.A. for 30 dollars & get 180 grit stick on discs for 30 dollars.the old paint just needs to have the shine knocked off,you do not have to completely remove it,the cleaning BEFORE is important,you don't want to 'grind in' diesel or oil into the surface | ||
| Dale Waller (Happycampersrus)
Registered Member Username: Happycampersrus Post Number: 242 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 172.147.134.145 Rating: N/A |
To add to Bob's post, Get some Scotch Brite pads or steel wool for the places that a D.A. won't reach. I wouldn't strip the coach UNLESS the old paint is peeling badly. CLEAN! CLEAN! CLEAN! is the best advice before you start the sanding process. FWIW, I was an Aviation Metal Smith in a previous life and I wouldn't use a chemical stripper on anything I own. Been there, Done that and got payed for the education. | ||
| Marc Bourget Unregistered guest Posted From: 64.142.42.176 Rating: N/A |
The only (relative) basis for stripping paint, like with aircraft, is to avoid the accumulated weight penalty or to absolutely, positively get a good bond. Not a significant factor on a bus as the weight isn't significant to performance and a bus doesn't routinely see the -29 deg. that an airliner experiences at altitude. I did have a 57 Chevy one time that had a huge number of paint chips, it was a PITA filling and sanding. Such might be the only exception. | ||
| christopher l cole sr. (Muziklvr)
Registered Member Username: Muziklvr Post Number: 28 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 68.119.228.79 Rating: N/A |
in my case with a 4104 that has been completely primed and painted,but would like to remove the paint from the belly down to expose the alluminum on the bottom half,and repaint the top half???any suggestions?thanks | ||
| Bob greenwood (Bob_greenwood)
Registered Member Username: Bob_greenwood Post Number: 131 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 63.233.4.30 Rating: N/A |
an honest suggestion is to think of painting the bus different colors, I would not attempt stripping.there are some pretty silvers,going into darker pewter, (sp)that's just what I would do.when I was running a bodyshop,gave an estimate to paint a car,two weeks later he showed up,with a BIG mess (tried stripping it ).. & I refused to paint it,or have ANYTHING to do with it. | ||
| Gus Causbie (Gusc)
Registered Member Username: Gusc Post Number: 185 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 63.97.117.53 Rating: N/A |
Christopher, I recommend you scuff the paint well and paint it with a good light color Al paint and a good clear coat over it. I just did this on a small scale on the upper front trim panels on my 4104 and they look great. If you strip the paint from the large corrugated Al panels you may find the metal in bad shape so it can't be left natural anyway. There is also a good chance that the anodized finish has been scarred or removed.. My theory is that if paint is sticking well I won't remove it because the next paint might not stick as well. | ||
| Dale Waller (Happycampersrus)
Registered Member Username: Happycampersrus Post Number: 243 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 172.162.244.189 Rating: N/A |
Another consideration, I am POSITIVE that you will find someone has sanded the pretty aluminum to make the paint stick. To polish that back up would be a large task to say the least. Dale | ||
| christopher l cole sr. (Muziklvr)
Registered Member Username: Muziklvr Post Number: 31 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 68.119.228.79 Rating: N/A |
thanks guys, i knew i could count on the wonderful wealth of knowledge on this board to guide me.now i just have to decide which colors to pick.thanks to all who posted-chris | ||
| RJ Long (Rjlong)
Registered Member Username: Rjlong Post Number: 1017 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 71.195.113.23 Rating: N/A |
Christopher - Paint suppliers are wizards at color matching nowdays. I know of two GMCs that have had the lower aluminum painted, and unless you were standing right alongside the coach looking closely, you'd swear it was unpainted. So, if you can clean up a small part of the coach, say a mirror head, take it to an automotive paint supplier and ask him to color match it. HTH. . . | ||
| Ross Carlisle (Rrc62)
Registered Member Username: Rrc62 Post Number: 145 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 67.142.130.38 Rating: N/A |
I stripped my bus with aircraft stripper in an afternoon. I wiped it down with laquer thinner and pressure washed afterwards and haven't had any problems. The bus has been painted for 3 years now. I've also stripped and painted 3 airplanes using the same technique...No problems with any of them. Ross | ||
| David E Wilson (North_exp)
Registered Member Username: North_exp Post Number: 12 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 205.234.33.61 Rating: N/A |
Ross what about the windows how did you cover,took out clearence light covers and taped over,how long did you leave stripper on i will be doing the roof also.? | ||
| Bob greenwood (Bob_greenwood)
Registered Member Username: Bob_greenwood Post Number: 132 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 63.233.6.37 Rating: |
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| Ross Carlisle (Rrc62)
Registered Member Username: Rrc62 Post Number: 146 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 67.142.130.24 Rating: N/A |
I didn't do the roof...Just sanded and painted that, but I still removed the clearance lights. I masked off from the stainless down with plastic and that was about it. Lights and all are in the stainless areas on an MC9, so masking took care of that. I stripped after removing all the windows and before reskinning. If you have lights, rubber or plastic parts in the area you need to strip, remove them. You'll need to do that regardless of whether you sand or strip. Leave the stripper on until it bubbles up, then scrape off with a plastic scaper. Test a small area an build up your confidence. If I recall, I worked about 4 feet at a time. If your paint is real thick, it may take more than one coat. My bus had areas that were about 1/8" thick with various colors. If you're after a quality job, you realy need to take it down to the metal on way or the other. You can do it with a D/A, but it will take many, many times longer than stripper. Ross (Message edited by rrc62 on September 09, 2006) | ||
| C Hobe
Unregistered guest Posted From: 67.142.130.33 Rating: N/A |
I have been stripping coaches for 20 years. What I have found is that after they have been painted by some tour bus Co. that didn"t pepare right the paint is in bad shape and peals easy . Some I could take the hole paint job off with a razer blad. Tour bus Co. get the cheapes job they can I have never had a problem with any after effects from the stripper. Mine has the same paint on it for the last 10 years. I am tired of it and will paint it again , But not because it needs it. Fred North Florida Bus Conversion. PS The hardest part is the plastic lettering | ||
| David E Wilson (North_exp)
Registered Member Username: North_exp Post Number: 13 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 205.234.33.61 Rating: N/A |
Fred Your website is where i got the idea of striping the paint is that with airplane stripper.The black thats on it is holding good the roof not so good in fiberglass front around clearence lights thought to completly strip bus like on your web site that way i could have a quality job done. | ||
| joe padberg (Joemc7ab)
Registered Member Username: Joemc7ab Post Number: 39 Registered: 6-2004 Posted From: 66.38.159.33 Rating: N/A |
David If you are going to strip, make sure that your widows are well protected, oterwise you will end up with etched streakes on your glass. saw it happen in a paint shop on an MC7 conversion when someone was not carefull. Joe. | ||
| David E Wilson (North_exp)
Registered Member Username: North_exp Post Number: 14 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 205.234.33.61 Rating: N/A |
The fellow that is going to paint the rig for me was over last night,said the same thing he is a good auto painter but never tackeled any thing this big i will post pictures when he is done. |
