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| Ethan Tuttle (Mrert)
Registered Member Username: Mrert Post Number: 50 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 69.66.231.1 Rating: N/A |
I figure I would ask before i go through much trouble of makeing anything since I know im not the first one to have this problem. It was never a problem with my Eagle 10 since it was 12v But my New Mci102A3 is 24v. Thanks in advance Ethan | ||
| David Hartley (Drdave)
Registered Member Username: Drdave Post Number: 694 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 67.78.176.54 Rating: N/A |
This is what I built and works great... http://www.rvbus.net/24-12trl.jpg Found it on smugmug something a while back. only extra wire that you need is a 12 volt line from a tap between the bus batteries to feed the relays and toad/trailers lights. | ||
| Bob greenwood (Bob_greenwood)
Registered Member Username: Bob_greenwood Post Number: 283 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 4.90.24.50 Rating: N/A |
or, get those magnetic lights that stick on the rear of toad & put 24 volt bulbs in them | ||
| Jerry Campbell (Jerrync)
Registered Member Username: Jerrync Post Number: 16 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 76.182.44.149 Rating: N/A |
Ethan I have a 102a3 myself what I did was after fighting those magnetic lights for a year with the wire going in the door and under the hood and taking paint off the side of truck. I went into the tail light and mounted 2 /24V bulbs in the tail light itself hard wired to the tow bar now all I have to do is plug up Cost was less then 30.00 and done.And took about 2 hours | ||
| Tim McWhorter (Theredwriter)
Registered Member Username: Theredwriter Post Number: 54 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 66.189.153.47 Rating: N/A |
I just wired in two sets (4 bulbs) into the signal lenses on the back of our Trailblazer. There's plenty of room in there to add a couple extras. Two on each side, one turn signal, one brake light and then wired them into the pigtail socket upfront. Wired the pigtail from the taillights of the bus, plugged 'em both in and bingo...lights!  Works for me! | ||
| Phil Smith (Phil_smith)
Registered Member Username: Phil_smith Post Number: 23 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 24.117.40.105 Rating: N/A |
What's a slick way to add the bulb sockets to most tailight assy's ( mine are made of plastic and have a twist-like doohickey that the bulb socket goes into ) ??. | ||
| Jerry Campbell (Jerrync)
Registered Member Username: Jerrync Post Number: 17 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 76.182.44.149 Rating: N/A |
You go to the side of the 12V lights check to see if you have room and drill a App. 3/4 hole for the bulb and I used the bulb mounts from the magnetics. | ||
| Tim McWhorter (Theredwriter)
Registered Member Username: Theredwriter Post Number: 55 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 66.189.153.47 Rating: N/A |
I bought the light sockets/wiring assemblies at Napa. You have to take the entire plastic lens assembly out, find the best spot and drill a hole. **Drill the hole slightly larger than the bulb so you can get it through. I used silicon to seal/glue the socket into place and have had no issues. If the bulb burns out, I'll have to use silicon again...no big deal. | ||
| David Hartley (Drdave)
Registered Member Username: Drdave Post Number: 698 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 67.78.176.54 Rating: N/A |
It seems that I have offended Mr Welsh over the posting of the picture of the relay diagram. Since I changed the filename so that I could find it I had put it on my website with a link in an earlier message. Sorry about that... But anyway here is the flak that I got over it and my response..... Ta da Dah.... Here is what I got,, Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:48 AM Subject: Trailer relay diagram on BNO > Hi Dave. > > I came across this link: http://www.rvbus.net/24-12trl.jpg in a post you > made on BNO in this thread: > http://www.busnut.com/bbs/messages/11/15445.html?1161874578 > > First, let me say that I am really glad my circuit worked for you, and I > appreciate your confidence in sharing it with others. The reason I > posted this diagram on my SmugMug site in the first place was to help > out other bus nuts. > > That being said, I would appreciate credit where credit is due, so I > would like to ask you, please, to remove my proprietary image from your > web site. You can feel free to continue to post the diagram on the BBS, > just use the original link to the image on my SmugMug site, here: > http://odyssey.smugmug.com/photos/4750590-O.gif > > Thanks, and also thanks for all the assistance you have been providing > on the boards. > > -Sean > http://OurOdyssey.US > http://OurOdyssey.BlogSpot.com > http://Odyssey.SmugMug.com > Here is my response... Geeezzzz Guys... Credit was given as your name is on the image, However since you seem to want to be arbitrary on the matter I will remove the image and note such on all of the BBS systems that you have complained accordingly. A small note: I used your diagram only for Others to see, Not myself, I found that you had virtually copied a circuit that I came up with from general knowlege from 1980 when I started building relay based tailight adapters. Obviously when I said copied, I didn't patent the design because it is in the public domain as it always has been. Sorry for your personal problems over this. David.... Oh, The file has been removed so the link will not work. | ||
| Len Silva (Lsilva)
Registered Member Username: Lsilva Post Number: 54 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 67.141.150.87 Rating: N/A |
David, This is such a simple and common circuit which has been published on bus boards for at least ten years, there is no way any one individual can claim credit for it. While I can appreciate the many innovations on Odyssey, this is not one of them. Len | ||
| Kyle Brandt (Kyle4501)
Registered Member Username: Kyle4501 Post Number: 222 Registered: 9-2004 Posted From: 70.153.0.151 Rating: N/A |
GEE WHIZ With so many real problems out there, this is gonna cause others to not post answers. I don't understand how someone could post something on the net & not expect it to be copied. I would understand if someone hid ALL evidence of origin in an effort to claim as their own & profit from it . . . . . | ||
| Sean Welsh (Sean)
Registered Member Username: Sean Post Number: 494 Registered: 1-2003 Posted From: 66.82.9.92 Rating: N/A |
Well, since Mr. Hartley has seen fit to take my private request to him public, I feel I need to respond here. Let's be clear: I did not ask Dave not to share this image, in fact, I encouraged him to do so. I merely asked him to remove it from his own web site -- I don't think that is unreasonable. I make no particular claim of originality for the circuit -- I did design it myself from scratch, but I have no doubt that many before me have done the same, and many after me will do so again (we all seem to be really good at reinventing the wheel). However, it was a ton of work to make that drawing (as it was for the dozen or so drawings posted on my site). Also, I pay good money every year to keep that drawing and all the others, along with all our conversion photos, on-line for the benefit of this community. I have been more than happy to share my work here, and, once upon a time, I spent countless hours helping folks in this community by freely posting information here. So give me a break -- I'm simply asking that my drawings and photos, which are my property, not be duplicated on other peoples' web sites. Use them all you want, though, that's why I posted them. As for the comment regarding how someone can post something on the net and not expect it to be copied, let's just say I am a hopeless idealist, and I trust people to act responsibly. Copying my images for your own personal use is fine -- as I said, that's why I posted them (and personal copies fall under the "fair use" doctrine). Copying them to post on your own web site is a different matter, and I would hope that everyone here can understand that distinction. -Sean http://OurOdyssey.US | ||
| David Hartley (Drdave)
Registered Member Username: Drdave Post Number: 701 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 67.78.176.54 Rating: N/A |
It's not worth the effort to argue. I said where it came from. It had his name on it. Gee, My website has been up for 10 years and it cost's money too. That dog don't fly !!!$$$ It was a convenience thing anyway... Don't be so "SMUG" that connotation says it all... p.s. If you used explanatory file names instead of gibberish numbers it would be easier to remember where and what it is., So much for a college education I guess.. :o | ||
| Kyle Brandt (Kyle4501)
Registered Member Username: Kyle4501 Post Number: 223 Registered: 9-2004 Posted From: 65.23.106.193 Rating: N/A |
I'm sorry Sean, I must be incredibly thick. But I didn't see it as anything other than a compliment to you & your efforts. I have a slow net connection & thought it was nice to see the one image (without more distractions) while I was trying to learn about that circut. Once done there, I went to your site to learn more which I wouldn't have bothered to do if I hadn't seen the teaser drawing first. But that is just how I saw it. I guess I'll never be good at business since I don't understand all these fine points & hair splitting. I also thought Dave was doing us all a favor by pointing out his 'oops' & letting us know there are more issues to be considered when sharing information found on the web. (Message edited by kyle4501 on October 30, 2006) | ||
| Sean Welsh (Sean)
Registered Member Username: Sean Post Number: 495 Registered: 1-2003 Posted From: 66.82.9.55 Rating: N/A |
Dave, "SmugMug" is a pay-for-use service, I didn't make up the name. And I would have loved to provide more meaningful file names, but SmugMug assigns them, I don't get to choose. If I was doing this as a business, these limitations would be unacceptable to me, but since I do it only as a labor of love, I have to keep the costs down. It was not my intent for this to become a public debate. Whether or not you all agree with my reasons, that image is my work, and I chose, for better or worse, to exercise my right to determine where it gets published. I did so in private in order NOT to make a scene about it, and I thought I did so in a polite and friendly manner, even acknowledging the good intentions and helpfulness of the poster. Apparently, the fact that I chose to exercise this right has become reason to try to ridicule and lambaste me in public. So much for being polite and discreet. I am disappointed. -Sean | ||
| Tim McWhorter (Theredwriter)
Registered Member Username: Theredwriter Post Number: 64 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 68.127.238.125 Rating: N/A |
One word comes to mind here guys...RIDICULOUS. | ||
| David Ljung Madison (Daveola)
Registered Member Username: Daveola Post Number: 99 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 63.204.157.4 Rating: N/A |
Let me get this straight. Sean develops content that (obviously) helps people in the hopes of getting some traffic or links or recognition. Therefore he wishes to keep the content he makes on his website. And we have a problem with this? This kind of attitude is *only* going to hurt us as people put less and less effort into making information available. If you think this is ridiculous, then you obviously don't value Sean's work, in which case I wonder why you chose to keep it or view it. If you don't think he's doing much work, then why don't *you* draw up the diagram and put it in the public domain, thereby ending this debate. "I don't understand how someone could post something on the net & not expect it to be copied." Someone better tell time.com/cnn/yahoo/etc.. that their entire business model was a mistake. | ||
| sylverstone (Sylverstone_pd4501864)
Registered Member Username: Sylverstone_pd4501864 Post Number: 218 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 216.173.223.253 Rating: N/A |
heh. time warner's business model wasn't too hot actually. i think the entire point of this was that dave saved the image and put it in a location he controlled, so that it wouldn't get lost in the organizational mess called the internet, which is not only innocent enough, it's probably the second most common practice on the internet, right behind "deleting spam" i for one don't blame him a bit. so he breaks it out when someone needs it, with the ownership and author data intact, and the original owner throws a fit about it. well, as it's the original owners property, it should be taken down. (i see it has been) took me a while to actually find it on his site. http://odyssey.smugmug.com/gallery/131040/1/4750590 as it's in "Odyssey > Other > Miscellaneous Stuff" instead of "Odyssey > Architecture > Drawings" where i looked first. the problem some people here are having is the words "my proprietary image" which is true only in the sense that he drew the image, although from the looks of it he actually clicked 6 times and hit save as, as the whole thing was drawn by software. *shrug* it's a drawing of a very simple electronic circuit that has been around forever, which is assuredly not his proprietary design. but that's not what he said now is it? i can understand why he'd like to send traffic to his site. he's done a lot of work on his rig and it's something to be proud of. which makes me wonder why he's using smugmug in the first place. and no, you can't buy a print of the image at smugmug. if it were me, i would put the website url in the designer contact field on all those images, and repost 'em. -dd | ||
| David Ljung Madison (Daveola)
Registered Member Username: Daveola Post Number: 101 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 63.204.157.4 Rating: N/A |
Well, hopefully nobody will steal my content.. Here it is: http://bus.getdave.com/Docs/12Von24V/ A huge list of solutions for dealing with 12V on a 24V system. If I'm missing any, please let me know! And feel free to link to the above info and save personal copies, but I'd like to keep it on my site as far as being published to the world. Enjoy. (Message edited by daveola on November 01, 2006) | ||
| Sean Welsh (Sean)
Registered Member Username: Sean Post Number: 496 Registered: 1-2003 Posted From: 66.82.9.92 Rating: N/A |
For the record, Dave has apologized appropriately for this oversight in another forum, and I consider the matter closed. That being said, I would like to address Mr. Sylverstone's comment: "...he actually clicked 6 times and hit save as, as the whole thing was drawn by software." I invite you to download SmartDraw and recreate this drawing. Then tell me how many hours it takes you. I made a serious, serious error when I started my conversion, and I will relate it here to spare others the frustration: I bought SmartDraw instead of Visio. Two reasons: First, Visio is now owned by Microsoft, and, for personal reasons that I will not relate here, I try to avoid giving them any more of my dollars than absolutely necessary (I run Windows as a given -- very little of the software I use on a daily basis runs on any other platform). Second, Visio costs around $450, whereas SmartDraw with the modules I needed cost only about $100. BIG mistake. Unfortunately, by the time I reached a point of complete frustration with SmartDraw, I had too much time (by which I mean several hundred hours) invested in the drawings to switch to another program (which would have necessitated starting over again). So I toughed it out till the end with SmartDraw. Those relays you see in the drawing? I had to create a relay from scratch. Worse, rotating or flipping any such created element causes the connection points to mysteriously work differently, and connection lines to zig when they are supposed to zag. Every little drawing change ended up being an exercise in frustration. The drawing in question, which I made explicitly in response to a plea for help on one of these boards, is a relatively simple modification of a more complicated drawing for the circuit in Odyssey. (In fact, this is the reason that this drawing seems out of place on the web site.) Even so, it probably took me 45 minutes to finish it. The original drawing for Odyssey's circuit took hours. Hours that I had to spend, since the drawings had to be clear and accurate for the contractor to be able to follow them, right down to the proper color codes for the wires. Moral: don't be penny-wise and pound-foolish. The ~$350 or so I "saved" by buying off-brand instead of the industry-leading drawing platform cost me plenty. I'm a little confused by the comment that prints of the image can not be ordered at SmugMug... there should be a button for you to click to do exactly that. That being said, it's not necessary, as the image is a full-page (8.5" x 11") GIF, so just select "Original Size", then right-click the image and either save it to your disk for printing with your favorite image viewer, or select "print" to have your browser print it. It should come out full-sheet and full-color (if your printer supports it). But I will look into the missing "order print" issue. As far as republishing the images with the URL in them, that's way more work than I am willing to invest now. Remember, most of these images were made specifically to transmit to the contractor to complete the work. I included information the contractor needed -- I was not anticipating posting them on-line, nor did I even have the name of the web site. Changing them now means going back to the SmartDraw originals, editing each drawing individually, re-exporting them to GIF format, and then republishing them. This would also have the unwanted side effect of changing the SmugMug-assigned URLs for the images, which would break links not only on my own site, but any other sites that have the images linked. It's a great thought, but more trouble than it is worth. Lastly, my choice of SmugMug has been called into question now more than once. Bear in mind that we chose our photo hosting site four years ago, when the available choices were more limited than they are today. Even so, we must have looked at twenty-odd sites. Most of them had limitations we just were not willing to live with. For example, some of them wanted every viewer to register with the site before downloading full-size images. Some required a certain number of prints to be purchased every year. Still others insisted on subjecting our viewers to unwanted advertising. Of what was left, only SmugMug offered an account plan that we found reasonably priced for "unlimited" use. And, yes, we pay an annual fee for this photo site, because we really, really don't want advertising on our site. I am sure that there are much better choices today. I know that we are hosting the photos for our blog, for example, on sites that are both fee-free and ad-free. But, again, I am not ready to invest the time and energy into moving all the stuff that's already on SmugMug -- it's simpler just to renew the contract every year. Most of the SmugMug limitations are minor irritants. In fact, all the drawings and many of the photos are linked individually from our main web site (which doesn't have enough disk space to host the images directly), so most people never have to navigate SmugMug to get to them. We've been done with our conversion for over two years now, and I periodically contemplate taking all of this down, as our main focus these days tends to be our travelogue at http://OurOdyssey.BlogSpot.com, however our web site statistics show that hundreds of visitors continue to read the various technical pages each month, and many peruse the photos and drawings directly through SmugMug. As long as people continue to get something from them, we will keep them on-line. -Sean | ||
| sylverstone (Sylverstone_pd4501864)
Registered Member Username: Sylverstone_pd4501864 Post Number: 220 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 216.173.223.253 Rating: N/A |
>That being said, I would like to address Mr. Sylverstone's comment: "...he actually clicked 6 times and hit save as, as the whole thing was drawn by software." >I invite you to download SmartDraw and recreate this drawing. you did these in smartdraw? *blows energy drink out his nose* okay, i retract the comment and nominate you for the "staying the course" award. smartdraw bites. >Then tell me how many hours it takes you. no. and you can't make me. *twitch* >I made a serious, serious error when I started my conversion, and I will relate it here to spare others the frustration: I bought SmartDraw instead of Visio. Two reasons: First, Visio is now owned by Microsoft, and, for personal reasons that I will not relate here, I try to avoid giving them any more of my dollars than absolutely necessary (I run Windows as a given -- very little of the software I use on a daily basis runs on any other platform). Second, Visio costs around $450, whereas SmartDraw with the modules I needed cost only about $100. >BIG mistake. Unfortunately, by the time I reached a point of complete frustration with SmartDraw, I had too much time (by which I mean several hundred hours) invested in the drawings to switch to another program (which would have necessitated starting over again). So I toughed it out till the end with SmartDraw. yeah. like i said... *twitch* i have an excalibur bbs system. from 1993. it uses vector graphics. back in the day i bought a 3rd party editor called g-wiz. it allows me to do so much stuff that i use the thing all the time for this kinda thing, and just screen capture it when i'm finished. >Those relays you see in the drawing? I had to create a relay from scratch. Worse, rotating or flipping any such created element causes the connection points to mysteriously work differently, and connection lines to zig when they are supposed to zag. Every little drawing change ended up being an exercise in frustration. sainthood maybe? >The drawing in question, which I made explicitly in response to a plea for help on one of these boards, is a relatively simple modification of a more complicated drawing for the circuit in Odyssey. (In fact, this is the reason that this drawing seems out of place on the web site.) Even so, it probably took me 45 minutes to finish it. The original drawing for Odyssey's circuit took hours. Hours that I had to spend, since the drawings had to be clear and accurate for the contractor to be able to follow them, right down to the proper color codes for the wires. >Moral: don't be penny-wise and pound-foolish. The ~$350 or so I "saved" by buying off-brand instead of the industry-leading drawing platform cost me plenty. i'm putting together a website right now that will have a bunch of this kinda thing on it. i'm thinking about drawing it all by hand and scanning it truthfully. >I'm a little confused by the comment that prints of the image can not be ordered at SmugMug... there should be a button for you to click to do exactly that. That being said, it's not necessary, as the image is a full-page (8.5" x 11") GIF, so just select "Original Size", then right-click the image and either save it to your disk for printing with your favorite image viewer, or select "print" to have your browser print it. It should come out full-sheet and full-color (if your printer supports it). But I will look into the missing "order print" issue. it freaked on me when i tried it. might be my settings. >As far as republishing the images with the URL in them, that's way more work than I am willing to invest now. Remember, most of these images were made specifically to transmit to the contractor to complete the work. I included information the contractor needed -- I was not anticipating posting them on-line, nor did I even have the name of the web site. Changing them now means going back to the SmartDraw originals, editing each drawing individually, re-exporting them to GIF format, and then republishing them. true, >This would also have the unwanted side effect of changing the SmugMug-assigned URLs for the images, which would break links not only on my own site, but any other sites that have the images linked. It's a great thought, but more trouble than it is worth. >Lastly, my choice of SmugMug has been called into question now more than once. Bear in mind that we chose our photo hosting site four years ago, when the available choices were more limited than they are today. Even so, we must have looked at twenty-odd sites. Most of them had limitations we just were not willing to live with. i do it myself, but i know what you mean. i for one didn't mean this as a "oh no you shouldn't have" >For example, some of them wanted every viewer to register with the site before downloading full-size images. Some required a certain number of prints to be purchased every year. Still others insisted on subjecting our viewers to unwanted advertising. Of what was left, only SmugMug offered an account plan that we found reasonably priced for "unlimited" use. And, yes, we pay an annual fee for this photo site, because we really, really don't want advertising on our site. i don't blame you a bit. i just figured as you had your own domain, there are many options. >I am sure that there are much better choices today. I know that we are hosting the photos for our blog, for example, on sites that are both fee-free and ad-free. But, again, I am not ready to invest the time and energy into moving all the stuff that's already on SmugMug -- it's simpler just to renew the contract every year. yes, it is. and it's exactly how i would do it if the price is reasonable, which you feel it is. >Most of the SmugMug limitations are minor irritants. In fact, all the drawings and many of the photos are linked individually from our main web site (which doesn't have enough disk space to host the images directly), so most people never have to navigate SmugMug to get to them. >We've been done with our conversion for over two years now, and I periodically contemplate taking all of this down, as our main focus these days tends to be our travelogue at http://OurOdyssey.BlogSpot.com, however our web site statistics show that hundreds of visitors continue to read the various technical pages each month, and many peruse the photos and drawings directly through SmugMug. As long as people continue to get something from them, we will keep them on-line. well that's good. i know i for one appreciate it. -dd | ||
| JW Smythe (Jwsmythe)
Registered Member Username: Jwsmythe Post Number: 270 Registered: 2-2006 Posted From: 72.91.85.196 Rating: N/A |
not to bring this back on topic or anything, but.... My Firebird has two standard bulbs, and one little marker light bulb. I bought a 'thundercat' taillight sequencer, that lights 3 lights sequentially from the center of the car to the edge. Making a car more visible is great to avoid being rear ended. I used a dremel to carve the shape of the twist socket fitting into the housing, and picked up a couple GM twist sockets from the local auto parts store. You have to be ***VERY*** careful though. One didn't turn out quite right, so it's a little loose. The other fits perfectly. Practice a few times on something else, to make sure you have your technique right. Then go with the previously advised 24v bulb and extra wires. If you screw up your light assembly, it's not my problem, you did it all on your own. I was just saying what *I* did, and I do lots of stupid things that I shouldn't. | ||
| Norm Edlebeck (Bandleader)
Registered Member Username: Bandleader Post Number: 43 Registered: 2-2004 Posted From: 66.60.219.89 Rating: N/A |
Hi All - Tell you what worked for me on a trailer w/12v from my MC7 w/24v. Tapped off each line I needed on 12v trailer (markers, tail, backup, both left & right directionals) & on EACH ONE used a resistor I got at Advance Auto for less than $6 each. Drops voltage about half - made over 4000 miles already with NO problems. I have 3 or 4 extras just in case one burns out - so far, so good. It's a bakelight about 4" long - doesn't say anything about it on box, but ask for a: GCR27 RESISTOR. Get 1 & try it. Works great for me. Good Luck!! NORM EDLEBECK |