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| Thomas Weeks (Buscrazytom)
Registered Member Username: Buscrazytom Post Number: 63 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 66.188.77.156 Rating: N/A |
Just wondering what I should expect to pay for a used, good quality takeout 671 for a 4104? Tom (Message edited by BusCrazyTom on November 29, 2006) | ||
| dilip & zoe sinha (Vintagehounds)
Registered Member Username: Vintagehounds Post Number: 28 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 67.166.131.55 Rating: N/A |
i know where there is a inline 671. and trans ..still in bus runs low miles too. I need parts from this bus too so maybe a bigger deal would get a better price. Ill be checking it out in about a week or so. Dilip. | ||
| RJ Long (Rjlong)
Registered Member Username: Rjlong Post Number: 1119 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 67.181.163.170 Rating: N/A |
Thomas - The stock 4104 uses an inline 6-71, not the V-block 6V71. Unless, of course, you want to make a hotrod and shoehorn a 6V92TA/V-730 powertrain in it. FWIW & HTH. . .  | ||
| Thomas Weeks (Buscrazytom)
Registered Member Username: Buscrazytom Post Number: 64 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 66.188.77.156 Rating: N/A |
Thanks RJ for straightening me out once again I must have gotten confused, I thought the 4104 was V-drive. OK, anyone have an idea what I should pay for a good takeout inline 671? Thanks Tom | ||
| Thomas Weeks (Buscrazytom)
Registered Member Username: Buscrazytom Post Number: 65 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 66.188.77.156 Rating: N/A |
Dilip, Thanks and let me know what you come up with, but I don't have the bus yet and don't know for certain I will buy it. Ran across a couple with a 4104 that they think they has a cracked head and water in the oil. They don't have any funds and want the bus out of they're yard so they'll sell it to me cheap. I just thought if I bought it it would probably be cheaper to have my mechanic R&R the engine instead of trying to repair it. Thanks Tom | ||
| dilip & zoe sinha (Vintagehounds)
Registered Member Username: Vintagehounds Post Number: 29 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 67.166.131.55 Rating: N/A |
Hey Tom, Your question seems a tough one to answer but can you describe the bus's condition or send me a picture of it and tell me how much is cheap?? Do you have a place to store the bus if you did buy it? Will the owners of the bus let you check into whats wrong with the motor before you buy it? If you let me know the answers to these questions and how much money do you have to invest in a bus at this time?? with all these ridiculus questions answered I can give you the answer to your question Plus or Minus 5k$... I have a feeling the bus im going to be looking at may be a good deal for someone who is in a position as yours because it has many good parts left on it!! Also I should say to you that rebuilding a motor that you check out whats wrong with would be a cheaper route to go than putting in another that you have no idea what condition its in. At least with a good rebuild you know what condition your motor is in. | ||
| Thomas Weeks (Buscrazytom)
Registered Member Username: Buscrazytom Post Number: 66 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 66.188.77.156 Rating: N/A |
Dilip, Bus is on the E-stray right now for a stupid cheap price (less than a used Ford Focus). Incomplete conversion. OK body , structurally Ok from what they tell me. Interior will need to be redone for my usage, of course. Yes, I do have a place to store a bus safely and securely. The price is not an impediment. I also have a 4106 I'm looking at that runs out fine and if I can grab that I will. I also have a friend who is a DD mechanic for a state bus garage who would be willing to do the switch. As to rebuild vs. swap, I know what you mean with that as well, but that all depends on what my guy would charge for a rebuild. I am also considering a used 1994 TMC RTS Model 06 40' 102" wide transit to be sold soon from the same local state bus garage, and since my application for my conversion is as a mobile shop/office/living quarters for my business and I will often be driving the coach in tight urban areas, I am considering the RTS as an option since the drivers here seem to have no problem slinging those in and out around the city traffic. I have limited my total budget for the conversion of whatever I buy to $80k, including acquisition of coach, so I have allotted no more than $20-$25k for the acquisition. I have slightly less than $10k at this time, and had not really planned to buy anything until after April 07, at which time I should have the acquisition fully funded. I am financing this from cash flow from my business, and I have the benefit of time with no pressure, but if I can work a good deal on something I think will work, I'll make it happen. I like the 4106's 4104's and 4905's the best of all the GM's. A 35' highway coach such as 4104 or 4106 might be ok in the city, and certainly has more bay space for my conversion, but an RTS might be better? Those are some of the dilemmas of my decision making process. Thanks Tom (Message edited by BusCrazyTom on November 29, 2006) | ||
| Douglas Wotring (Tekebird)
Registered Member Username: Tekebird Post Number: 27 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 69.136.90.146 Rating: N/A |
The 04 is a V drive but that refers to the trans not the engine. If your budget is 80k you might consider one already done. if you can find one that fits your needs layout wise. I have a very nice already done 04 for sale in PAa, pics avail if interested. | ||
| Thomas Weeks (Buscrazytom)
Registered Member Username: Buscrazytom Post Number: 67 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 66.188.77.156 Rating: N/A |
Problem is that I will not find one already done to my needs, as even if the living quarters/bath/kitchen is adequate, nothing else will be. I have specialized needs as this again will be used as a mobile office/electronic service shop. Tom | ||
| Bob greenwood (Bob_greenwood)
Registered Member Username: Bob_greenwood Post Number: 394 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 4.226.108.31 Rating: |
Thomas..... There are some VERY nice 4104's here for sale,15 to 25 thou,just go back three clicks & hit "buses for sale" | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 42 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 206.149.192.43 Rating: N/A |
"I have specialized needs as this again will be used as a mobile office/electronic service shop." Name them,in order of importance. FAST FRED | ||
| Thomas Weeks (Buscrazytom)
Registered Member Username: Buscrazytom Post Number: 68 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 66.188.77.156 Rating: N/A |
Ok Fred, First my design is to create an interior in which only the sleeping, bathroom, laundry and kitchen and office facilities are fixed elements, with the rest of the space in the front of the bus occupied by a modular interior system, allowing me to change the bus between 3 operating setups. a) a shop area with a bench for electronics service, complete with racks of my test gear. 2) a complete digital or analog audio recording system, or a 6 person touring lounge setup. These interiors shall be modular in construction and I shall be able to switch between configurations in about 2 hours with 2 people, depending on what function I need to perform with the bus. The complete electrical system will have to be done to my specifications, so it just seems to me that I'm better doing the entire conversion myself rather than buying and destroying a lovely conversion someone else has done which would be perfect for Mr & Mrs Sunset Traveller. | ||
| Douglas Wotring (Tekebird)
Registered Member Username: Tekebird Post Number: 28 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 69.136.90.146 Rating: N/A |
Tom, The configuration of my 04 should suit you as the front half can easily be modified to your needs. Electrical system can also me modified easily to your needs due to the design. That bus on ebay is certainly not the way to go | ||
| dilip & zoe sinha (Vintagehounds)
Registered Member Username: Vintagehounds Post Number: 32 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 67.166.131.55 Rating: N/A |
Sounds like the first thing to do is get a shell and be done with it. Everything else will follow and all your planning is doing is procrastinating your first move. Its a hard move to just go for it but sometimes you have to or youll find every reason not too. Right!! p.s. I know that all the fun is in the planning and dreaming but get a 4104 shell and go for it. Sounds like the planning and dreaming stage is just about wore out...divert your energy into the reality of the matter. You are ready it sounds like. | ||
| Thomas Weeks (Buscrazytom)
Registered Member Username: Buscrazytom Post Number: 69 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 66.188.77.156 Rating: N/A |
Dilip, Yes, I know what you mean and I mostly agree, although I am still a bit at odds over my choice of coach shell. 4104,4106,Buffalo or RTS, or something else altogether. I've been leaning toward an RTS for urban handling reasons, but I'm not sure. Still exploring my options. Tom | ||
| Douglas Wotring (Tekebird)
Registered Member Username: Tekebird Post Number: 29 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 69.136.90.146 Rating: N/A |
the RTS handles no better than any other bus. IMHO the RTS is a poor choise soley due to the lack of adequate underfloor storage | ||
| dilip & zoe sinha (Vintagehounds)
Registered Member Username: Vintagehounds Post Number: 33 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 67.166.131.55 Rating: N/A |
hey , if your still uncomfortable about your options on what shell to start with then i guess you really dont need to know what to expect to pay for a 671. When you need some substantial answers to the questions you have let me know. I can help you dream about it too though. pick something and start or youll always be trying to pick something. If your final budget is around 80k I think you can make whatever you pick work. Even a tobogan with a chainsaw motor. Just customize it as you need it. If its a looks thing. I love my 4104 ' s styling and its old american so I feel than its not a young whipper snapper that I wont be able to catch up too. Youll be looking at it a long time so why dont you decide what looks good to you and deal with the drivability as you build it? | ||
| dilip & zoe sinha (Vintagehounds)
Registered Member Username: Vintagehounds Post Number: 34 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 67.166.131.55 Rating: N/A |
doug, how much do you want for your's??? | ||
| Thomas Weeks (Buscrazytom)
Registered Member Username: Buscrazytom Post Number: 70 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 66.188.77.156 Rating: N/A |
Dilip, You're making sense on that one too. I love the look of the older GM's; 04/06/Scenics/Buffalo's. Love the urban practicality of the RTS. Still trying to decide but just trying to get an idea as to what it would cost to fix a 4104 if I bought one needing it. Maybe you're right, I'm just too caught up in the planning stage. Tom | ||
| Thomas Weeks (Buscrazytom)
Registered Member Username: Buscrazytom Post Number: 71 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 66.188.77.156 Rating: N/A |
Doug, The lack of storage is a big drawback to the RTS for conversion purposes and weight I think is a drawback for the MCI's for my applications, but that's just been my opinion so far. Tom | ||
| FAST FRED (Fast_fred)
Registered Member Username: Fast_fred Post Number: 47 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 4.235.205.94 Rating: N/A |
Most folks use a bed that is 6+ ft long, a toilet can be 3x6 and have shower +toilet A galley will be at least 4 ft long , a stove is 2x2 and so is a fridge. 6ft + 6ft + 4ft is 16 ft of the interior , can uou live with the rest as workshop? FAST FRED | ||
| Thomas Weeks (Buscrazytom)
Registered Member Username: Buscrazytom Post Number: 72 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 66.188.77.156 Rating: N/A |
Fred, Yes, I figured about half and half for space usage in the bus, so 15-17' of shop is fine. Tom |
