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| NelsonThomas Unregistered guest Posted From: 68.184.163.74 Rating: |
Family was invaded and then killed intruder with a shotgun inside the motor home. Victim may be charged but having lived in Utah I would guess they wont be. Pretty sensible and conservative gun rights state. Heaven help you if you did this in some other anti-gun states http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,640197953,00.html | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 19 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 66.217.105.170 Rating: |
uhh... "The Cedar City Police Department said Wednesday it was investigating if the use of deadly force is justified. " Even in our "shoot first" state of Floriduh, the gestapo will still investigate to insure "deadly force" was the only remedy. (You'd have to be the dead guy's family, to appreciate that) (and yeah, I carry) | ||
| Bob greenwood (Bob_greenwood)
Registered Member Username: Bob_greenwood Post Number: 8 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 65.150.47.190 Rating: |
yes,it realy is a shame,the way the world is now, I carry, & have used deadly force,drinking made the guy stupid enough to think he had an advantage. | ||
| Mel La Plante (Mel_4104)
Registered Member Username: Mel_4104 Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 208.181.100.18 Rating: |
yes i carry too except that i come from Canada so what i have is my wife and the way i look at it if any one is stupid enough to enter our bus and have her there, may the almighty be able to put him back together again. She is a golfer that really loves playing golf any where anytime so her golf clubs are her pride and joy so NO one better fool with them. any guy that enters our bus could have major damage done to him while she protects those clubs, he just might find that she hits her drives over 230 yards and when he gets to the hospital and asks in a very high pitched voice where his went he might ask them to check the rough or the lakes for them. yep it is like the guys tell me - Mel do not be afraid of Shirley she sure is not afraid of you - and i am 6 feet and 225pd. but as yet we have hever been close to trouble so best of luck to you folks south of the border and carry what you feel happy with. | ||
| Bob greenwood (Bob_greenwood)
Registered Member Username: Bob_greenwood Post Number: 9 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 63.232.213.162 Rating: |
humor is great,but,when confronted by a totaly crazy person,it's hard to get them to lay down so she can get a shot,the situation goes from sitting in your chair,to decideing if you will have to shoot a person in a sixty second time lapse,later, you can make jokes about it,if you think you will be able to, | ||
| Kyle Brandt (Kyle4501)
Registered Member Username: Kyle4501 Post Number: 176 Registered: 9-2004 Posted From: 65.23.106.193 Rating: |
Why does it seem that it is the victim's responsibility to think rationally & avoid conflict? If someone shows contempt & disregard for the law by breaking it, why should they get preferential treatment when it comes to establishing 'at fault'? It occurs to me, that if we continue to hold the victims to a higher moral code, the criminals will continue their lawless ways. I'm not advocating a return to the wild west, but it would be nice to know that criminals are held to the same moral code as everyone else & expected to be responsible for their actions. What about the victim of this home (RV) invasion? He now has to live with this event the rest of his life. He was robbed of so much, security, vacation, time, etc. I'm not advocating what the RV owner did, but I don't have a problem with him defending his home. | ||
| Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
Registered Member Username: Buswarrior Post Number: 843 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 65.92.190.120 Rating: |
God will straighten it all out in the end. I'll put my trust there... and keep my eyes and ears open so as to not put Him to the test! happy coaching! buswarrior | ||
| Jon W. Unregistered guest Posted From: 69.252.165.154 Rating: |
Since I never want to be forced to rely on deadly force I am careful where I stop, I always have the doors and bays locked, even when we occupy the coach, and at the first sign something is not right, I drive away. Call me chicken. | ||
| Marc Bourget Unregistered guest Posted From: 69.226.119.85 Rating: |
Mel progressed from an assault on his talented wife to interference with her golf clubs. An observation is warranted. I strongly support the right to protect ones self and family with deadly force, if necessary. It bears repeating that the use of deadly force to protect personal property alone (golf club) is not supported in most [any?] common law jurisdiction. If legal and proper, make haste slowly (as possible - but not to diminish your/family's safety) as many of those who've exercised such rights have paid a high price. I've spoken with several, who seem to bear a heavy burden when forced to take such drastic steps. I'm glad I've not been placed in such a situation. [drastic doesn't imply unwarranted!] | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 21 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 66.217.105.193 Rating: |
Marc - Nawwww. Mel's telling you that his "deadly force" is his wife, and if you mess with her golf clubs, you're gonna' get hurt real bad.. We usually toss Palmetto bugs out the door, rather than kill 'em... My preference, if I see trouble brewing at some rest area we're all alone at, would be to leave for greener pastures. Avoiding deadly confrontations, hazardous conditions, and drug crazed crack-heads by getting your family out of harm's way, isn't cowardice... It's good sense. Save the lead for the -absolute- last resort; there's no comin' back, from dead, and you can't bring 'em back from dead.. Nelson - The "law" doesn't mean a thing, when your life is at stake. Having a shotgun in your RV is the best security you can have. It may never be needed in the local KOA, but when you're broke down in some rest area in East Nowhere at 0:dark thirty... You're gonna' like knowing that it's right there, if you really need it... | ||
| JR Lynch (Njt5047)
Registered Member Username: Njt5047 Post Number: 9 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 69.132.238.127 Rating: |
I agree with those that carry. Never leave home without it. At the least, you may have a choice in the outcome. Even a bad choice in a firearm unfriendly state may save your family. Clearly we cannot protect ourselves in all situations...but firearms do even up things a little. I like the options. That self-sacrificing "negotiate" theory is BS as far as I'm concerned. I really don't understand the mindset that travels into all sorts of situations with no way to protect themselves and their family. No matter how well you chose your parking area, you could be accosted. Most of us won't be bothered, but still...who wants to gamble? The Southeast, from Va to Florida, has reciprocity for CC permit holders. This is very cool. Now the bad guys target rental cars and MH as they are the least likely to be armed. Interesting subject! JR | ||
| Dale Waller (Happycampersrus)
Registered Member Username: Happycampersrus Post Number: 212 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 68.65.122.187 Rating: |
I would rather take my chances with a court of law after I was arrested, because I removed an intruders head with my magnum. I might be in some trouble, but my family would be safe. If you don't believe that the world is full of sick people that are just waiting to try to take advantage of you or your family, You are sadly mistaken. My bus is protected by a Model 29 S&W. Is yours?? Dale | ||
| Jack Conrad (Jackconrad)
Registered Member Username: Jackconrad Post Number: 459 Registered: 12-2000 Posted From: 207.30.189.38 Rating: |
Better to be judged by 12 (jurors) than carried by 6 (pallbearers). Like American Express says "Don't leave Home Without It". Of course, living in the rural south, I have grown up with guns as a part of my life. Down here gun control means hitting your target. YMMV Jack | ||
| Jon W. Unregistered guest Posted From: 69.252.165.154 Rating: |
JRLynch said: "Now the bad guys target rental cars and MH as they are the least likely to be armed." As non-owners of guns (we came from NY at the time) and novice RV owners we raised the issue of guns at a Prevost rally where there were about 200 coaches in the early 90's. The concensus was we were nuts for not having something to protect us, and that we were almost the only ones out of 200 coaches that were unarmed. I still do not like the concept of feeling we need to be armed, but since that time we have carried no less than a shotgun (legal everywhere) and sometime more. I still intend to drive away if I can. | ||
| johnwood
Unregistered guest Posted From: 71.142.133.188 Rating: |
Nope........ .45ACP is my fave! And GOA is my organization!! Clip that follows is ONE reason why this NRA lifer gives to GOA and Not NRA. GOA remains the only national organization that is actively pushing the Citizen's Self-Defense Act designed to protect innocent civilians, who use a gun in self-defense from anti-gun prosecutors. GOA is also the only national organization fighting to repeal the Brady instant "registration" check, and is alone in pushing truly constitutional CCW legislation that allows law-abiding citizens to carry a firearm without a permit. Join Online. http://www.gunowners.org/whyjoin.htm | ||
| Marc Bourget Unregistered guest Posted From: 64.142.42.176 Rating: |
And a .45 ACP and a Sig, and . . . Don't take chances in a court of law. Pay attention to what's going on. What few people realize before they get into and during a confrontation is if the "perp" does anything but leave, i.e. tries to talk you into putting down the gun from the threat, or moves sideways, even stands and makes gestures trying to get you to "calm down and relax" he's continuing the "assault" and anybody with the presence of mind to try that BS is REALLY DANGEROUS. If they don't leave and try BS you should probably put them down and then document the scene, with photos and don't let anybody around. Trouble is most who're being questioned by the police are in mental, if not physical shock. Even if you ain't you shouldn't talk for an couple of hours. Dont' refuse to give a statement, just ask for time to collect your thoughts because the event was so "shocking" Then call an attorney before you say anything. The mental shock leaves you open to suggestion and it's almost a cop's "job" to suggest that you did something wrong, were too excited, etc. Hope you never need this advice, but I also hope you benefit from the thinking process you go thru reading it (Don't have to take the advice, just consider it as part of your own decision process!) | ||
| Robert Wies (Ncbob)
Registered Member Username: Ncbob Post Number: 179 Registered: 2-2006 Posted From: 68.238.115.53 Rating: |
I have a CC permit in NC and plan to get the non-resident permit when we get to FL this winter. My plan...never open the door to a stranger without a can of MACE, or pepper spray in your hand and keep the Glock 40 within reach or in Mama's hand. It'd be better you tangle with me than her..she's a dead shot. Bob | ||
| JR Lynch (Njt5047)
Registered Member Username: Njt5047 Post Number: 11 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 69.132.238.127 Rating: |
Bob, I believe your NCCC is legal in FL...as long as you observe FL laws. I reread the Grassroots NC post on this subject and that's what the reciprocity agreements were for. There may be a time limit for "visitors"...do you have more info on the Florida non-res CC permit? One thing gun owners don't want is to carelessly run afoul of a state's (and fed's) 22,000 firearm laws. When traveling in Virginia, I used to see the "Project Exile" signs at the NC/VA boarder. I could just imagine what "exile" would be like for this little old man! Still, didn't stop me from traveling with my usual protective devices. Cheers, JR | ||
| Bob Boyce (Bob_rts)
Registered Member Username: Bob_rts Post Number: 10 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 66.44.207.70 Rating: |
Myself, wifey, and our daughter, were in the back room of my shop in Lake Worth, FL when the front door annunciater went off. I watched the front door open on the security camera in the front office. A young punk entered, holding a knife. I was seated calmly in my chair when he opened the door to the back room and entered. He looked me square in the eye with this twisted grin on his face, like he was thoroughly enjoying himself. Until he heard the click of a safety. He looked down to see an Uzi pistol aimed at his head. Wifey had the S&W out and aimed at him as well, but he didn't stick around long enough to notice. He quickly backed out the door, and I watched him on the security monitor as he bolted out the front door. He didn't even have the courtesy to close the door behind him. He had jimmied the door with the knife. We had not bothered to lock the deadbolt yet because we were getting ready to leave and go home soon. Never saw him around there again ;-) Bob | ||
| Bob greenwood (Bob_greenwood)
Registered Member Username: Bob_greenwood Post Number: 15 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 63.232.252.44 Rating: |
what people are not understanding,is, this all happens QUICK,you have no time to build air & drive off,he can have every one of your 400 dollar tires stabbed & windshield broken.& if you just drive off,he KNOWS you have no protection & can follow you to the next rest stop. but,the real problem,is if he's inside before you know it,seconds count,CAN you get to your gun, IS it loaded,they normaly don't want to wait while you load it ya' know | ||
| Bob greenwood (Bob_greenwood)
Registered Member Username: Bob_greenwood Post Number: 16 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 63.233.85.136 Rating: |
I wasn't trying to scare anybody,just some of your awnsers were unbelieveable,one guy is going to pray about it,couple of others are going to drive off. I have NEVER had any trouble in my bus, I was the recepiant of a home invasion in Calif. years ago, you people just need to think about the "what ifs".... | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 26 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 66.217.106.93 Rating: |
Like that TV commercial "Life comes at ya' fast".. My pal on Long Island has a gun collection to really admire.. He's stopped carrying some years back.. He could still, but doesn't.. He said that in today's world, you don't have a chance, anyway. In NYC, a crackhead walks to a car, shoots the driver and steals the cash. None of that "stick 'em up" stuff. It's Bang; Dead; Cash up and go. A guy can't think fast enough to thwart that kinda' thing. I have a nice 20 ga snake-gun. It's legal in all 50. The 45 stays in a pleasant place, safe and calm. There's a couple neat flare guns that wifey can handle real nice, even with severe arthritic hands. Nuttin' like a nice burnin' man festival, while we call nine-eleven and I lock 'n load the 20... Man, those blisters must hurt like hell....? But I prefer to drive off when I see it's less than a desirable place to stay. I don't think there's anyone here that wants to sit up all night, playing night patrol for the family.... And as rumors have it... there's a crew of thieves that use ether to calm the occupants of a truck while they're already sleeping... Can that be done to a sleeping family in an RV? Yeah. And where's that gun? Rather than get too silly here.... People have to use common sense and acquire a modest amount of street-smarts. Having a firearm, or especially preferred: a shotgun, is a good (really good) thing to look into if you plan to travel about this fine country in a motorhome. You may be like me and never in a million years, want to use it... but.... all it takes is one time you need it and you don't have it...! We'll miss you greatly. (Guns and lessons are available at any sports shop. Do it!) | ||
| John Ferguson (Jarlaxle)
Registered Member Username: Jarlaxle Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 65.140.224.174 Rating: |
12-bore Remingtom pump (00 buckshot--insurance in case of Angel Dust or large amounts of alcohol...also, dead men file no lawsuits) & my wife's Makarov 9mm (don't say a fricking word!) here. Getting a .45 M1911A1 as soon as I find one I like. As for the aftermath...my wife strongly favors the S-S-S approach if at all possible, and I must say it has plenty to recommend it. | ||
| John Jewett (Jayjay)
Registered Member Username: Jayjay Post Number: 360 Registered: 1-2001 Posted From: 64.136.49.226 Rating: |
I was a proponent of the pump shotgun until an acquaintance of mine stepped into his pitch black hallway to investigate a noise in the kitchen. He wordlessly pumped a round in, to discourage any would-be thief, and the Perp "shot the noise" of the pump sliding, and nearly killed my friend. I immediatley traded the 870 for a Model 1100 auto...always one in the breech, and the safety off. A couple of S&W double action .45 ACP's are prepped the same way. I fulltime in my 4905 and live alone, so this works for me, whereas a man with a family may need to modify his stance. I hope I'm never forced into making that snap decision of whether to pull the trigger or not, BUT I have prepared myself mentally to do it if the situation warrants. Then drag him down over the bank (if possible) and drive off...assuming no one notices the ruckus. Cheers...JJ | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 30 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 66.217.105.141 Rating: |
Having a "toss down" to stuff into certain hands, works wonders, I'm told... (Over the bank? HAR!! I have trouble carrying the garbage to the dumpster) | ||
| John Ferguson (Jarlaxle)
Registered Member Username: Jarlaxle Post Number: 2 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 65.143.28.44 Rating: N/A |
My wife has quite a blade collection...let's say that if the burglar just might, uhh, FIND one of these before I saw him...well, it would certainly make the decision to shoot easier. Good point on the noise...but if I need the Remington, it gets pumped BEFORE I'm anywhere near an intruder (I keep it with an empty chamber). Then again, my uncle has nothing bad to say about his .454 Casull...which may, actually, nearly match my 12-bore for hitting power. He has it because...well, his 20+lb elephant gun (H&H double rifle, .577 Nitro) it kind of awkward in close quarters. | ||
| Bob greenwood (Bob_greenwood)
Registered Member Username: Bob_greenwood Post Number: 32 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 63.232.213.88 Rating: |
it is not important how big the gun is,it's "IF" you can get to it, my home invasion,:first thing I heard was him shoulder the door in,first thing I saw 5 seconds later,was him standing in the den doorway with a hunting knife & a crazed expression on his face,he said "GET DOWN ON THE FLOOR",as he was walking very fast toward me.I put him on the floor,this ALL happened in less than 60 seconds | ||
| JW Smythe (Jwsmythe)
Registered Member Username: Jwsmythe Post Number: 255 Registered: 2-2006 Posted From: 70.222.19.185 Rating: N/A |
Just checking in with my preferences. I have a Ruger .45 ACP and a Glock .45 GAP. Both are wonderful weapons. I have a Fla CCW, but have had guns around since I was a kid. I've never had the need to draw on anyone, and I'm very happy keeping it that way. If they day ever does come where I have to make the choice of using deadly force, I'd prefer to have one of my .45's close by, rather than being the victim. | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 33 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 66.217.105.76 Rating: N/A |
When Florida passed the last piece of legislation that assured potential victims, that they can indeed "fire first" and be within the law..... It raised a ruckus among the populous that disapproves of such "wanton disregard for law and order". Hooray for Florida!!! If you're under attack, at home or a campground, you have the right to protect yourself and your family, with the use of "deadly force". Our Constitution and Bill of Rights, would not have it any other way. If you own an RV (or bus conversion) it is in your best interests to carry aboard some sort of firearm. You have an obligation to protect your interests. No government agency can respond quicker that you can. It is your Constitutional right, to own and carry a firearm. It is not a "privilege", it is your Right. Only a major infraction of law, can negate that right. | ||
| Bob greenwood (Bob_greenwood)
Registered Member Username: Bob_greenwood Post Number: 44 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 63.233.41.179 Rating: |
one last little note,the police wanted to know WHY my 22 magnum derringer had duct tape on it, told them it had been taped to the underside of my desk drawer for YEARS | ||
| Utclaimjumper Unregistered guest Posted From: 209.33.204.216 Rating: N/A |
I happen to live in Cedar City Ut. and know the young man who was shot. He was NOT DRINKING, and was shot in the back of the head. NO EXCUSE!!.. the shooter was a retired cop, living in a 2.5 mil. home in south Florida and driving a $350,000 motor home, and shot the guy in the BACK of the head 22 feet away. WHATS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?? | ||
| John MC9 (John_mc9)
Registered Member Username: John_mc9 Post Number: 61 Registered: 7-2006 Posted From: 70.202.136.232 Rating: N/A |
Not 'nuff story to determine right or wrong. OH... Wait... Here: -------------------------- "Alleged intruder shot during Cape family's vacation By The Associated Press Originally posted on July 27, 2006 CEDAR CITY, Utah — Police are investigating whether a Cape Coral man was justified in slaying a 26-year-old Cedar City man who allegedly forced his way into the other man's motor home. "I'm not happy about it," the Cape Coral father, who refused to give his name and was not identified by police, told The Spectrum. "I wish it never happened." The family of four from Cape Coral was parked in a lot near the center's Wal-Mart when Stubbs allegedly approached the door of the motor home about 9:45 p.m. Tuesday. "When the door was answered, (Stubbs) allegedly forced his way into the residence and refused to leave when told," police Lt. David Holm said. "There was a struggle that ensued and during this struggle a shot was fired and Mr. Stubbs was struck with one shot." "The tourists inside were in fear for their life," Sgt. Jerry Womack told the Deseret Morning News. "There was a scuffle inside the motor home and the man shot (the intruder) in the head with a shotgun." Stubbs, who graduated from high school and college in Cedar City, started law school in Florida last fall. "Who knows whether that prompted him to knock on the door?" said Stubbs' uncle, Randall Childs. Womack said detectives were looking into whether alcohol was involved, Stubbs has been convicted of speeding, alcohol violations and interfering with a police arrest, according to court records. " http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060727/NEWS0101/60727057/1075 -------------------- "WHATS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE??" I dunno. What is wrong with the picture? | ||
| Richard Bowyer (Drivingmisslazy)
Registered Member Username: Drivingmisslazy Post Number: 1654 Registered: 1-2001 Posted From: 75.108.82.163 Rating: |
Claimjumper, Sounds like you are jumping to a lot conclusions unless you have some positive information to back up your claims. For instance: "I happen to live in Cedar City Ut. and know the young man who was shot." And what does that have to do with the incident? Were you with him? "He was NOT DRINKING," And how do you know this? Again, were you with him? "and was shot in the back of the head." And maybe he turned to run just as a shell was jacked into the shotgun. And do you KNOW that he was shot in the back of the head? "NO EXCUSE!!.." For What? I can assure you that if you or anyone else breaks into my motorhome, they are going to get a "little lead in the ear". "the shooter was a retired cop, living in a 2.5 mil. home in south Florida and driving a $350,000 motor home," And what is wrong with this? The home I bought in So. Florida for $400,000 over 10 years ago is probably worth that much now, based on real estate inflation in that area. And a $350,000 motor home? So what? Many are worth that and many more are worth much more. Is that a crime in your eyes? "and shot the guy in the BACK of the head 22 feet away." And where did you hear that? Again were with him? 22 feet is a very short distance such as between the bedroom and front area of the bus. "WHATS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE??" I think you must have colored glasses on or smoking something much stronger than tobacco if you find anything wrong with what happened. Richard | ||
| David Ljung Madison (Daveola)
Registered Member Username: Daveola Post Number: 100 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 63.204.157.4 Rating: N/A |
"but since that time we have carried no less than a shotgun (legal everywhere)" "have a nice 20 ga snake-gun. It's legal in all 50." What exactly is legal to be carried in a bus in all 50 states? Anyone have good pointers on this? I had a Mossberg 500 at one point, guess I'll need to reacquaint myself... | ||
| sylverstone (Sylverstone_pd4501864)
Registered Member Username: Sylverstone_pd4501864 Post Number: 219 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 216.173.223.253 Rating: N/A |
i sail. all i have is a flare gun. -dd | ||
| Tom D. (Road_hog)
Registered Member Username: Road_hog Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 66.69.90.76 Rating: N/A |
Those of us in law enforcement have a rule-of-thumb when it comes to the question of deadly force ... "it's better to be judged by twelve than carried by six". In my simple world that rule applies equally in all 50 states. In my experience, even in the states with the toughest laws, their enforcement is usually carried out sensibly. The situation of a weapon that is found concealed in an RV occupied by courteous and responsible people is going to be handled a lot differently than a crackhead in a low-rider who has a substantial criminal history. Of course, there are always the exceptions to be concerned about, but most State and local prosecutors won't want to incur the cost of prosecution of an RVer in possession of a firearm inside unless there's more to the story. Also, a lot of judges would excercise the most leniency within their discretion even if a conviction were to be reached. But, probably your best insulation comes from the fact that most cops are firearms enthusiasts to some degree. And they understand that to arrest the RVer would cause them to be met with the consternation and disdain of their fellow officers for having screwed with a law-abiding citizen who only wanted to protect his family and his "home". I think a good attorney could also make a strong arguement that the RV is actually a residence and not a vehicle, which can also make a BIG difference in most states. In that regard, anything that you do that would tend to move the RV away from classification as a "vehicle" and more toward a "house" would likely be of benefit (RV a/o homeowner's instead of or in addition to vehicle insurance, frequency/duration of RV use, etc). Finally, in order to convict on any criminal charge, the government must prove two requisites; ability and intent. If your permanent residence happens to be in a state where you can legally possess the weapon in your vehicle, then just claiming that you forgot it was in the RV presents a huge hurdle to any prosecutor as he/she will have a helluva time trying to prove the intent part. I hope all of this info helps in some way, but don't just base your decision on it. At the very least, you should try to become familiar with the gun laws in the state(s) you frequent. Also, if parking the RV for an extended liveaboard, it may help to discreetly contact the local police dept. and ask them for their advice and possible concerns. You will probably find that they're really helpful and, just your showing of forethought will go a long way with them. Not only will they know you and the kind of person you are, but don't be surprised if they intentionally keep an eye out on things for you while making their rounds. It's a tough choice for a lot of people to make. If you need to, go back and read the first sentence. Oh, I'm sure the people who mentioned using a flaregun were just joking. Just in case though ... don't even consider launching a flare inside an RV! It's as dangerous to everyone else inside as it is to the invader. (Message edited by road_hog on December 19, 2006) | ||
| sylverstone (Sylverstone_pd4501864)
Registered Member Username: Sylverstone_pd4501864 Post Number: 243 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 216.173.223.253 Rating: N/A |
hey tom, i was serious. i sail, and all i have *is* a flare gun. i wasn't suggesting that shooting it inside an rv / boat / home / etc. would be a good idea.  -dd | ||
| Stephen Fessenden (Sffess)
Registered Member Username: Sffess Post Number: 672 Registered: 1-2002 Posted From: 67.142.130.28 Rating: N/A |
I don't know if most of the members of this board are aware the there are real pirates in the caribbean still and sailors have died at their hands in recent years. On a boat a flare gun makes good sense because you might be able to start a fire in the attacking boat that would occupy all their attention. (The events I have read about have been in Central America, Columbian waters and the South coast of Haiti. Most of the Islands are safe enough.) | ||
| brian h. skinner (Henley)
Registered Member Username: Henley Post Number: 1 Registered: 2-2007 Posted From: 24.144.107.111 Rating: N/A |
My Eagle park brake does not wan to release a lot of times. Have 120lbs of air. New release valve, compressor and governer. Also rbuilt brakes. Would appreciate a clue. | ||
| brian h. skinner (Henley)
Registered Member Username: Henley Post Number: 2 Registered: 2-2007 Posted From: 24.144.107.111 Rating: N/A |
My Eagle park brake does not wan to release a lot of times. Have 120lbs of air. New release valve, compressor and governer. Also rbuilt brakes. Would appreciate a clue. |
