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FAST FRED (209.26.87.83)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 18, 2002 - 3:50 pm: | |
Am in the "finishing " stage
and need to know about trimmable safe mirrors .
Whats the choices , where do you find them ,.
What happens when they get wet?
The way I do conversions is to build the wood work , take it apart , prime and single coat everything , then reassemble.
The finish coat goes in in situ,
with everything assembled.
Not as fast or as easy as when the cabinets ect. are apart, but the colours match better if its all rolled on in a single day.
I'm hoping I can glue the mirror in place , and just mask it when needed.
The mirror is for the bulkhead next (right next) to the sink , so water resistant counts.
FAST FRED |
R.C. Bishop (128.123.88.28)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 18, 2002 - 7:38 pm: | |
Pfhred, why you you want to glue the mirror on the bulkhead? Why not use mirror mounting clips, two top and two bottom so you could remove said mirror without damage. Then use a double sided tape to put trim around the mirror. (3M, comes in different widths, about 50 ft, is water proof and about $20 roughly, and great for a lot of things) Haven't done it yet to my own bus, but that is exactly the way it will be done.
RCB |
Jayjay (207.30.115.33)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 18, 2002 - 9:52 pm: | |
Hey FF, I can't help on the water resistance, but when you mount a mirror I would recommend "Mirror Mastic". That is a brand name, and it is available at Home D/Lowe's etc. Regular adhesives won't work with mirrors and glass. Comes only in caulking tube size, expensive, and it's as bad as using 252 or 5200- it ain't comin' off!!! G'luck and Cheers...JJ |
Stephen Fessenden (Sffess) (63.27.88.92)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 18, 2002 - 10:25 pm: | |
Fred, the trimmable safe mirrors I know of are plastic. You get them at a plastices wholesaler in 4X8 sheets or pay for a cut size. Check the yellow pages. I've never put in a big one, just worked with scraps to make switch plates. You should be able to mount these with mastic. The plastic place may have a better idea. They come in silver, bronze, etc and look just like glass. |
ddut10 (64.12.101.168)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 18, 2002 - 10:32 pm: | |
hi fred i was at Bontrager's Surplus Parts and they had this glue i seen had mirror stuck to steel and hindges glue to wood and they would not budge cause i try its called mor-ad m-513 its a foam glue ya dont get it on your hands caues it wont come off and it was only 3.50 a tube so i bought a case you want to try email me your adress and i'll send you a tube ddut10@aol.com |
jmaxwell (66.42.93.147)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 18, 2002 - 11:23 pm: | |
FF: 5 yrs. ago I paid 175 for a 4x6 acrylic mirror, bronze. Put on w/3m double side tape. I would not recommend it for the kitchen area where it must be constantly cleaned. It is on the back wall of the bus above the beds. Ineviatably, it is going to get fine scratch marks. I would go with glass mirror and if u don't want to go the high price of a custom-cut piece, maybe consider the strip, bevel edge mirrors in combination. |
R.C.Bishop (128.123.88.5)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 19, 2002 - 12:33 pm: | |
Have you ever tried to remove a mirror, for whatever reason, that has been glued or taped to
a surface? You'll probably never do it again if you have, right? It is practically impossible to remove without breaking to pieces. Forget the cost of the mirror,or the glue or tape. It is a real chore. And if glass, impossible to get all the little pieces.
BTW, my previous post said 50 ft. It was a 36 yard roll = 108 ft.
I agree with jmaxwell, and a Wallmart/ HD, Lowe's mirror is reasonable, and in some places they will cut to size for free.
Food for thought.
RCB |
RJ Long (24.127.8.58)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 19, 2002 - 1:02 pm: | |
Just got back from WallyWorld, and saw a small glass mirror, framed, about 1'x3', for $8.99. In the picture frames area.
Glass was held in frame with 12 small staples that were bent over.
Something like this could be trimmed to size with help from a glass cutter, available from HD/Lowes or most good hardware stores.
That help, Fred?
RJ |
FAST FRED (209.26.87.112)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 19, 2002 - 2:17 pm: | |
Sounds like I have to give up the custom fit , and install a "close" bathroom mirror in a frame.
Optically it will do whats needed,
stretch the room .
The BEST!!! mirror instalation I ever saw was on a boat with 2 parallel bulkheads.
The mirrors reflected the custom oval opening ports (Windows in the hull) .
The amazing thing was that the reflections were spaced , as they looked in the cabin.
SO it looked as the cabin had hundreds of windows, and was hundreds of windows long, stretching out into infinity.
Off to the bathrrom mirror store.
Will be on a couple of week tour , visiting Unka Bart , and the FL panhandle & bubba coast next week.
Enjoy
FAST FRED |
Larry Goodhew (Lgoodhew) (148.78.249.10)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2002 - 3:09 pm: | |
In my old RV I put up a mirror using self sticking velcro tape top and bottom. I shouldn't have used quite so much as that stuff really holds. It has been hanging there for two years now and I would have to use a putty knife to get the velcro apart to remove it without breaking the mirror.
One more option anyway,
Larry Goodhew |
Jeff Miller (205.217.70.30)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 21, 2002 - 12:49 pm: | |
Fred:
My old Wanderlodge actually had LSG mirrors! Kind of expensive I'd imagine.
Anyway, to make a mirror "safe", I had the local glass house cut the mirrors to size/shape (fairly cheap if you have no holes or inside corners), and add "fish tape" to the rear or anti-shatter tape. This is how many of the high-line boats and RVs are done, it holds the mirror together if it shatters much like LSG. The other method is to glue it fully with mirror mastic (a caulk-tube adhesive which will not attack the paint on the rear of the mirror plating). If you use the anti-shatter film, be sure to have them pre-cut holes in the film for the mirror mastic, and apply the mastic/glue to these places to install it.
As far as waterproof, caulk the edges so that water can't get behind the mirror. The edges are the only place where the silver is exposed, the paint will protect the silver elsewhere. For example, I caulked the bottom 2/3 of sides and bottom edge of the mirror wall that rests on the sink backsplash, another method is to paint the perimeter of the mirror to seal where the silver is exposed.
- Jeff |
David & Lorna Schinske (Davidschinske) (65.90.114.114)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 26, 2002 - 10:25 am: | |
Any glass/mirror shop will cut your mirror to size for you. A glass company that installed mirrors in the remodel David is doing said they could make any mirror shatterproof. They could also tell your how to mount it or mount it for you. Here's a possible idea. David did a completely mirrored powder room for this remodel (it's why the unit sold..lady wanted THAT powder room!) All the mirrors are framed by wood like a big mullioned window. In order the keep the mirrors tight to the wood trim (minimum reflection of the trim), he floated the mirrors on cellulose sponge spacers. You would probably need put the sponge on the sides of the trim work (as well as on the back) for a bus. We are thinking of using this method in our bus (on which I start removing interior panels to insulate next week).
Lorna |
Mike Eades (Mike14905) (206.62.201.220)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 27, 2002 - 9:26 am: | |
F.F. I just finish ahnging 226 Mirrors in a Days Inn Motel in Davenport FL All we used was Lique Nail for Mirrors. Big mirrors on the wall. Not falling off and done some in the bathroom area. Works well. The guy that owns the motel has a bunch of older mirrors that he might sell. I don't know if that helps. If you are interested let me know and I will put you intouch wiht him. Mike |
FAST FRED (209.26.87.50)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 5:59 am: | |
The problem is I was hoping to be able to cover the entire bulkhead in mirror.
That way it would {hopefully ) look like the coach was infinitly long , on that side.
It IS infinatly long on the other side as you can see right out thru the rear window.
So I was hoping for some type of trimmable plastic that could fit from edge to edge.
Only using just a small mirror doesnt create the optical delusion I was hoping to get.
Still looking!
FAST FRED |
Ted Calvert (Chowbus) (192.132.225.130)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 10:21 pm: | |
My apologies for not posting this sooner.
I used, for interior decoration, 1/8" mirrored acrylic (generic Plexiglas); manufactured by Plaskolite and distributed by AIN Plastics, Columbus, Ohio & other cities. I used it on the fronts of shirt closets on either side of the bed, and also overhead. Cost about $90 per 4x8 ft. sheet. Watch out for the edges, they may need to be trimmed off, as they are not perfect. The sheets are actually oversized by an inch or so. Be sure to use the recommended adhesive.
I definately would not use common glass in a vehicle, for the obvious safety reasons. Laminated glass is expensive, as is tempered glass, and I'm sure nowhere near as easy to work with as plastics.
If you need any other info, e-mail me.
Good luck.
Ted. |
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